Barack Hussein Obama - First Ever!

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I mean, isn't WHAT HE SAID more important than the props in the background???

If you consider our flag to merely be a prop, than of course you wouldn't be bothered by its absence.

I stand by my opinion that the flag of our country, and the flag of any country, has genuine meaning and should be respected at all times.

If you asking me if I think the absence of a flag is more important than some of the decisions he has made, my answer is no.

But then this thread is about a flag not being present -- not about Obama's skin color, not about his politics, not about justifying wrongs by the wrongs of others.

Originally posted by beta.services

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
No, all Americans are not. Just some.

Good to hear.
I guess I'm guilty of just hearing the loudest, and not the brightest.

If you can't see where Mandela's fingerprints and his mission and his drive for peace aren't directly woven into the very fabric of your flag, I don't know what else to say.

The fabric of your flag holds these values, these struggles, and the accomplishments of those that made it possible.

Your comment regarding my intelligence was not overlooked, it just wasn't worth a rebuttal.

Originally posted by Yazman

See, this guy here proves my point EXACTLY. You never did this with any other president, constantly emphasising and bringing up their middle name, mentioning it all the time.

The ONLY reason you do it with Obama is because you want to demonise him, and point out to people every time you talk about Obama - "HEY! LOOK! OBAMA HAS A NAME THAT DOESN'T JIVE WITH MY IDEA OF WHAT AMERICANS SHOULD BE LIKE!! SO IT'S BAD!"

I guess you failed to realize that I posted "Mr. O Hussein B" to get you to trumpeting your horn again.

Of course presidents have been called using their middle names. When Bill was a candidate he had touted his middle name all of the time. So spare me the Middle Name B.S. Its a middle name, only you making a bigger deal of it just shows the prejudice you have within yourself.








[edit on 28-5-2010 by prionace glauca]

So there is a flag but it is not wrapped around his head or draped like a cape.

I fear that the NEW concern should be a lack of a crucifix, and/or an assault riffle
affixed with a well honed bayonet.

Will someone get on that???

P.S was he even wearing pants???

I think not

What a NAZI

[edit on 28-5-2010 by Janky Red]

Originally posted by lpowell0627
South Africa is actually a wonderful example. Right now, you are facing the potential of another racial war. People, separated by their skin color, battling for their own personal desires either individually or collectively as a race.

Your flag, the flag of any nation, has no skin color. It is the symbol of what ultimately unites people in any nation to fight for, and support, and better, the nation that they choose to be a part of.

The previous South African flag had the exact opposite meaning. It was a symbol of the white nations that placed themselves as the leaders of the country. It was definitely a flag that represented skin colour.

This goes back to my point. The Apartheid flag was not a symbol that represented the people. And many acts were committed under it. None of which I would feel personally connected to. And I would certainly not claim that those acts were a representation of me.

Like I said. You have no control of what others do in the name of a symbol. Don't tie yourself to it.

Originally posted by prionace glauca

Originally posted by Yazman

See, this guy here proves my point EXACTLY. You never did this with any other president, constantly emphasising and bringing up their middle name, mentioning it all the time.

The ONLY reason you do it with Obama is because you want to demonise him, and point out to people every time you talk about Obama - "HEY! LOOK! OBAMA HAS A NAME THAT DOESN'T JIVE WITH MY IDEA OF WHAT AMERICANS SHOULD BE LIKE!! SO IT'S BAD!"

I guess you failed to realize that I posted "Mr. O Hussein B" to get you to trumpeting your horn again.

Of course presidents have been called using their middle names. When Bill was a candidate he had touted his middle name all of the time. So spare me the Middle Name B.S. Its a middle name, only you making a bigger deal of it just shows the prejudice you have within yourself.








[edit on 28-5-2010 by prionace glauca]

Right

Like the GOP spelled his name OSAMA on a ballot

OOPPPPSSSIE, did I do thaaatttt???

You all know why righties do that, no need to act cute up in here

Originally posted by prionace glauca

Originally posted by Yazman

See, this guy here proves my point EXACTLY. You never did this with any other president, constantly emphasising and bringing up their middle name, mentioning it all the time.

The ONLY reason you do it with Obama is because you want to demonise him, and point out to people every time you talk about Obama - "HEY! LOOK! OBAMA HAS A NAME THAT DOESN'T JIVE WITH MY IDEA OF WHAT AMERICANS SHOULD BE LIKE!! SO IT'S BAD!"

I guess you failed to realize that I posted "Mr. O Hussein B" to get you to trumpeting your horn again.

Of course presidents have been called using their middle names. When Bill was a candidate he had touted his middle name all of the time. So spare me the Middle Name B.S. Its a middle name, only you making a bigger deal of it just shows the prejudice you have within yourself.

[edit on 28-5-2010 by prionace glauca]

Do you have any idea how hollow or ridiculous that was? Seriously? I doubt you use his middle name out of respect. Maybe you just got caught in the trend of people emphasizing his middle name, and don't even remember why you do it anymore. I seriously doubt you started doing it as a show of respect, though. Nice job on deflecting the whole prejudice thing, though.

OK...from another angle.

If the flag is so meaningless and unimportant, than why is it when other nations show their anger/disapproval/protest of a nation's actions, why is that the ultimate show of such emotion is done by the burning of that nation's flag?

Is that not considered one of the most profound, yet generally peaceful, displays of anger or dissent towards another nation?

I should think that the same importance or weight placed on the burning of a flag should also be directly related to the opposite action -- which is displaying and flying one's flag.

All those problems we're facing, and you get upset about a flag missing during one conference? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

Originally posted by lpowell0627
If the flag is so meaningless and unimportant, than why is it when other nations show their anger/disapproval/protest of a nation's actions, why is that the ultimate show of such emotion is done by the burning of that nation's flag?

I never said it was unimportant. I just dont think that people should define themselves by it. And and others have said, it shouldn't be an issue just because a flag was not displayed.

Actually, some countries have laws requiring the burning of a flag once it becomes damaged in any way. I believe Australia and South Africa both have this law, im not sure about others.

I wrote it that way because its his name.

Somebody was griping about people in ATS who make outlandish claims tend to write in run on sentences or they don't capitalize their "i".

No great conspiracy here folks. Its his name.

Should I have just said Barry Sotero (Oh no you did not! )

[edit on 28-5-2010 by WWJFKD]

Originally posted by beta.services

Originally posted by lpowell0627
If the flag is so meaningless and unimportant, than why is it when other nations show their anger/disapproval/protest of a nation's actions, why is that the ultimate show of such emotion is done by the burning of that nation's flag?

I never said it was unimportant. I just dont think that people should define themselves by it. And and others have said, it shouldn't be an issue just because a flag was not displayed.

Actually, some countries have laws requiring the burning of a flag once it becomes damaged in any way. I believe Australia and South Africa both have this law, im not sure about others.

The United States has this law. It is to be taken to a Veterans of Foreign Wars hall for proper disposal - which is burning

Actually it's not a law - its proper flag handling and presentation according to the US flag code.

To add: It can also be taken to an American Legion hall. Or if not possible you can respectfully dispose of it yourself by burning it.

[edit on 28-5-2010 by WWJFKD]

reply to post by WWJFKD


The flag is on the presidential seal on the podium. Blind patriots!

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Now see what you were speaking about with the whole "pin thing"

www.msnbc.msn.com...

WATERLOO, Iowa - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, D-Ill., said he will no longer wear an American flag lapel pin because it has become a substitute for “true patriotism” since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

He commented on the pin in a television interview Wednesday and then again on Thursday at a campaign appearance in Independence, Iowa.

“My attitude is that I’m less concerned about what you’re wearing on your lapel than what’s in your heart," he told the campaign crowd Thursday. "You show your patriotism by how you treat your fellow Americans, especially those who serve. You show your patriotism by being true to our values and ideals. That’s what we have to lead with is our values and our ideals.”

So whats on his lapel if not a representation of the flag? No seriously I'm curious. He point blank said he isn't wearing it - so what is it?

Originally posted by WWJFKD
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

Now see what you were speaking about with the whole "pin thing"

www.msnbc.msn.com...

WATERLOO, Iowa - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, D-Ill., said he will no longer wear an American flag lapel pin because it has become a substitute for “true patriotism” since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

He commented on the pin in a television interview Wednesday and then again on Thursday at a campaign appearance in Independence, Iowa.

“My attitude is that I’m less concerned about what you’re wearing on your lapel than what’s in your heart," he told the campaign crowd Thursday. "You show your patriotism by how you treat your fellow Americans, especially those who serve. You show your patriotism by being true to our values and ideals. That’s what we have to lead with is our values and our ideals.”

So whats on his lapel if not a representation of the flag? No seriously I'm curious. He point blank said he isn't wearing it - so what is it?

It's the fact that he didn't wear an American flag on his lapel, and people got uptight and alluded to the fact that he wasn't an American for doing so.

Those people were dumb, because as he said, patriotism is what's in your heart, not by what's on your suit.

And here, you're doing the same thing. There wasn't a full flag or stand in the background of the press conference; that automatically means he's a Socialist Marxist non-natural citizen who has to be impeached, huh?!

It's goofy...

IT'S SO GOOFY...

reply to post by Snarf


By definition, conservatives are less susceptible to the truth

Conservative: a person who is reluctant to change or consider new ideas; conformist

He was SUPPOSED to be the first "American PResident" not to do a photo op on Memorial Day at Arlington cemetery.

Turns out, Bush sent Paul Wolfowitz in his place and where was the outrage about Bush NEVER attending the funeral of a solider?

Now "omygosh" Obama doesn't put a flag in the background at some Hotel. Sheesh! I'm happy -- I've had enough of this pseudo patriotism. I'm a citizen of the world, I care about people, and it doesn't matter what background or country you come from to me -- it's about your character.

When are we going to get over TEAM FOOTBALL? You might root for a team playing from another state in sports and chances are high, that most of them didn't go to college in that state -- what really are you rooting for -- you have nothing in common?

Obama needs to kick BP out of the gulf and shut down their operations until they come up with a solution (which might take 9 months). But no -- people are upset that he doesn't have a flag behind him.

We've got people on Fox News, lying their butts off, and betraying the trust of the American people -- you can't walk without tripping over some patriotic bauble or bumper sticker. The most religions, the most patriotic, the MOST on display are usually selling you something and betraying you.

I say; Walk softly and carry a big stick, or just carry a big stick.

Originally posted by WWJFKD
Somebody was griping about people in ATS who make outlandish claims tend to write in run on sentences or they don't capitalize their "i".
[edit on 28-5-2010 by WWJFKD]

Odd, where did you see that statement? Because this is something I believe as well & I might have posted it before.

Anyway with regards to your OP, seriously, its juvenile. The quality of posts here are going downhill & the bickering is reminiscent of playground arguments.

Originally posted by XyZeR
[sarcasm]No flag , how dare he....more proof he's a islamofascismosocialcommieterrorist lover/sarcasm]

Seriously, this is just silly..... a non issue. It's just a piece of cloth...


Edit: impeachable offense ? LMAO....



[edit on 28-5-2010 by XyZeR]

The U.S. Flag is just a piece of cloth? You mean like the U.S. Constutution is just a goddamned piece of paper? (Quoting GWB)

You some kind of marxist or something?

While the majority of us are waking up, people like you enjoy living in ignorant bliss with blinders on, in denial. This is just more - very clear - evidence of the regime's intentions, of their plans against the American people.

Looks like the push is on by TBTB toward the endgame. I think because they are in such a hurry to get it done before too many people wake up, they'll get sloppy and make mistakes. All the better.

By the way, I don't know if y'all are stocked up, but my local WalMart has had a LOT of ammo in stock lately. Might be time to get ya some more. I'm not talking to you, XyZeR, I am talking to the rest of the people reading this.

reply to post by lpowell0627


Other Presidents seemed to use the Flag with gold trim, standing for the Law of the Sea, Maritime Law, which I guess kind goes over the head of the Constitution. My guess is they didn't have a flag available because some Oil Exec was wiping his arse with it.