Barack Hussein Obama - First Ever!

Originally posted by Snarf
He had a flag. It's been proven. Why can't you say "oops, i made a mistake" and move on? What is it about you personal ego's that says you can NEVER be wrong?

That is not a flag. That is an accessory.

Originally posted by lpowell0627
That is not a flag. That is an accessory.

But when he DIDN'T have it on his lapel, it was a FLAG!!! Can't have it both ways!

Google Images: Presidential Press Conference and Bush Press Conference. You'll see PLENTY of absent flags. Obama is not the first.

The only FIRST that Obama is is our first black president.

www.life.com...




[edit on 5/28/2010 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by Snarf
some of you people have fallen so far from what it is to be a free-thinking individual that it honestly saddens me

"ATS IS FAR LIBERAL"

"ATS IS _____"

"THE MODS FAVOR LIBERALS"

"YOU ARE A LIBERAL"

OBAMA IS A JACK _______

there are equally worthless comments from the "Liberal" spectrum as well, but so far, those aren't in this thread, so it's pointless to point them out.


I mean honestly, you can't tell me that, in 5 minutes, you won't look back at yourself and realize how juvenile and asinine your comments & attitude have been over nothing.

He had a flag. It's been proven. Why can't you say "oops, i made a mistake" and move on? What is it about you personal ego's that says you can NEVER be wrong?

How ironic is it that you ( by bashing the people here ) defend Obama as a free thinker when he seldom if ever gets off teleprompter. So rich.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by lpowell0627
That is not a flag. That is an accessory.

But when he DIDN'T have it on his lapel, it was a FLAG!!!

Can't have it both ways!

I have no idea what you are referring to, however, when I salute the flag, I do not salute a person's chest -- I salute an actual flag. Not a picture of a flag. Not a hat with a flag on it.

An actual, red and white, 50-starred flag that flies freely.

We have laws that protect how our flag is handled. When it can be flown, in what conditions, and how it should be raised and lowered.

This does not apply to apparel or pins for a reason.

The only FIRST that Obama is is our first black president.

He is the first African-American President.
Does this mean that flying the flag while representing his country is no longer necessary?

Further, I guess then instead of draping an American flag over the coffin of our veterans we should just stick an American flag bumper sticker on it??

Again, there are certain things in this country that are important.

Are Americans really that brainwashed that they can only identify themselves by a flag?

How do you all manage to get through your days with no sense of self, and no sense of community. Only 'National Pride,' defined by a flag.

Perhaps if there was more of a for-the-people attitude, and less of for-the-state your country would be in much better shape.

Uncle Sam needed you. He took you. And he's never giving you back.
But at least he will unite you all under one flag.

Originally posted by beta.services

Perhaps if there was more of a for-the-people attitude, and less of for-the-state your country would be in much better shape.

Interesting comment since all fifty states are represented by the same flag hence uniting us as one nation.

The flag is about the people and anyone that thinks differently does not truly understand what the flag represents and why it is so important.

Originally posted by beta.services
Are Americans really that brainwashed that they can only identify themselves by a flag?

No, all Americans are not. Just some.

But this thread indicates that once again, people are focusing on meaningless crap instead of focusing on the things that he's really doing (or not doing) that deserve criticism, further eroding what little credibility that his critics have.

I mean, isn't WHAT HE SAID more important than the props in the background???

reply to post by lpowell0627


Why do you need a flag to be united?

Think of this from the point of view of someone that hasn't had a flag shoved in their face since birth.

When Nelson Mandella became president he gave South Africa a new flag. Sure its worn as a symbol of pride. But all South Africans know it was him that united the people. Not the flag. No one would care if he stood there without the flag plastered over every spare space. No one would call him unpatriotic for not displaying the flag.

He, himself, as a man did something. And he has the right to be remembered for that. And I dont think anyone would lessen his achievements by reducing him to a flag.

From the outside world, Americans appear to be reducing anything they have done, good or bad, to a symbol. When you do that, you can be fooled into thinking that if anyone attacks that symbol, they are attacking you. And when you have no control over where that symbol goes, and what can be done under it, do you really want that symbol representing you?

I would like to remind everyone to check out the Life magazine link on Benevolent's post above. Not only is Bush holding a press conference with no flag present, he's standing next to a Frenchman! We all know the French hate freedom, that's why we Americans re-named french fries to freedom fries for a year. It didn't even matter that the word French in french fries has nothing to do with the nation, and is just a culinary term.

Alos, Bush had the gall to do this at Mount Vernon! Bush was obviously mocking George Washington and the Presidency in general.

I'll bet he was the FIRST president to do this!

He should have been IMPEACHED right there, on that day!


(How am I doing? Do I need to use more exclamation points? Did I use to many facts? I'm new to this whole posting without thinking or researching thing.)

Y'know... if you Americans would spend just a fraction of the time and energy you spend worrying about meaningless symbols in actually trying to improve the country you're supposedly so proud of, you just might have a country worth being proud of! America does have an official religion... it is the worship of America. Worshiping the flag makes you an idolater. Your sensitivity on this issue reminds me of Islamic fundamentalists who issue death threats against people who draw Mohamed.

"Nationalism is an infantile disease, the measles of mankind."
--Albert Einstein

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
No, all Americans are not. Just some.

Good to hear.
I guess I'm guilty of just hearing the loudest, and not the brightest.

Originally posted by XyZeR
[sarcasm]No flag , how dare he....more proof he's a islamofascismosocialcommieterrorist lover/sarcasm]

Seriously, this is just silly..... a non issue. It's just a piece of cloth...


Edit: impeachable offense ? LMAO....



[edit on 28-5-2010 by XyZeR]

Silly? A non issue? Spoken like a true Socialist.

This is truely disgusting. We as Americans practice age old tradition in goverment for a reason and that reason is to remind us who we are, where we came from and where we are going.

We are a long way from the ideals and practices of our founders and have wandered off the path of freedom and justice. Not presenting a flag this close to Memorial day in a public speeking environment is just more proof we are becoming socialists from the top down, most of us not even knowing it.

These "small" transgressions all add up to one "giant" smack in the face to every American patriot that draws breath and if something like this does not bother you then I would question if you are seeing the bigger picture.

Originally posted by Helious

Silly? A non issue? Spoken like a true Socialist.

Are you seriously suggesting that Socialists like the French and British can give a rats *** about their own flag.

Do you even read the words you write.

Do you have any idea just how dumb and idiotic your statement was.

There was a flag there and the mere insistence that this President does not love and care about this Nation is tant amount to saying that Brett Favre really cannot stand football even though he plays it.

Read these words and hopefully they may sink in.

No one would run for President of the United States if they did not truly love this country.

They might have a different view on how it should fix its problems, but make no mistake no President has ever hated his country.

reply to post by WWJFKD


That's terrible.

No Star Spangled banner at all.

What is happening to America?

I don't even know what to say.

[edit on 28-5-2010 by belial259]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by lpowell0627
That is not a flag. That is an accessory.

But when he DIDN'T have it on his lapel, it was a FLAG!!!

Can't have it both ways!

Google Images: Presidential Press Conference and Bush Press Conference. You'll see PLENTY of absent flags. Obama is not the first.

The only FIRST that Obama is is our first black president.

www.life.com...




[edit on 5/28/2010 by Benevolent Heretic]

Obama isn't black.

He is of mixed ancestry.

What is it with you people and constantly emphasising his middle name? I tend to think you're all just xenophobic and want to emphasise his middle name so much simply because it doesn't jive with your concept of what you want Americans to be - anglo.

Seriously. I never heard you people doing this before - Nobody ever went around calling him William Jefferson Clinton or George Walker Bush, or Ronald Wilson Reagan.

Originally posted by beta.services
From the outside world, Americans appear to be reducing anything they have done, good or bad, to a symbol. When you do that, you can be fooled into thinking that if anyone attacks that symbol, they are attacking you. And when you have no control over where that symbol goes, and what can be done under it, do you really want that symbol representing you?

Your point is well taken and I respect it, although I disagree.

South Africa is actually a wonderful example. Right now, you are facing the potential of another racial war. People, separated by their skin color, battling for their own personal desires either individually or collectively as a race.

Your flag, the flag of any nation, has no skin color. It is the symbol of what ultimately unites people in any nation to fight for, and support, and better, the nation that they choose to be a part of.

If people in South Africa could unite themselves under the flag of your country, and remember the people in your past that made that flag possible, and how many people died to make that flag have meaning, perhaps the color of one's skin would somehow seem less important.

Similarly to the pride a nation feels when winning the Olympics, and hearing their national anthem sung for the world, the flag embodies these emotions. There is a reason that these traditions are maintained and respected throughout the world.

The flag is not merely a symbol. It is most certainly not just a piece of cloth. It is the representation of what many, many people died for and continue to risk their lives to protect.

Mr. O Hussein B is just flaming the populace.

He doesn't believe in the Flag or the constitution. Just look at him and his cronies salivating to file lawsuits against states that want to enforce the law of the lands.

Originally posted by prionace glauca
Mr. O Hussein B is just flaming the populace.

He doesn't believe in the Flag or the constitution. Just look at him and his cronies salivating to file lawsuits against states that want to enforce the law of the lands.

See, this guy here proves my point EXACTLY. You never did this with any other president, constantly emphasising and bringing up their middle name, mentioning it all the time.

The ONLY reason you do it with Obama is because you want to demonise him, and point out to people every time you talk about Obama - "HEY! LOOK! OBAMA HAS A NAME THAT DOESN'T JIVE WITH MY IDEA OF WHAT AMERICANS SHOULD BE LIKE!! SO IT'S BAD!"

I regret voting for him but honestly I dont thin this upsets me unless there was documention showing him requesting the flag be removed.