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Originally posted by jthomas
So you are saying NIcon should not pay any attention to what Robertson said.
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Originally posted by jthomas
So you are saying NIcon should not pay any attention to what Robertson said.
Robertson contradicted himself numerous times, lied, obfuscated. He's a disgrace. Nobody should be listening to him.
One year after the devastating attacks on New York City¿s 110-story, 1,365-foot-high World Trade Center towers, questions linger concerning the future of skyscrapers. After all, who wants to work or live in a grand, iconic structure that stands out in a crowd and thus makes an inviting target?....
New Ideas About Design
The attack did, however, lead engineers, architects and safety specialists to rethink high-rise design. Builders now favor more highly reinforced structures that "keep damaged buildings standing longer, so more people can escape," states Charles H. Thornton, chairman of the New York¿based firm Thornton-Tomasetti Engineers,...
Modern tall buildings are engineered so that the central core supports the weight or gravity load of the structure, whereas the surrounding exterior columns work like outriggers to keep the tower from overturning or sliding when exposed to hurricane-force winds or earthquakes. Meanwhile the floors tie the inner frame to the outer one, bracing the entire edifice.
Fragile Framing
In the case of the World Trade Center, which was a state-of-the-art design in the late 1960s, the steel-mesh exterior skeleton was highly robust, but the steel-truss floor framing turned out to be quite fragile, and the central core was not designed to handle significant lateral (sideways) loads, Thornton explains. When the planes hit the towers, they knocked out many internal and exterior support columns and dislodged much of the sprayed-on fire insulation that had protected the steel members. Although the remaining structure readily supported the new loads transferred to them when the columns were lost, it then had to contend with the insidious effects of the aviation-fuel fire that set all the flammable contents of the floors alight. "It was the intense fuel fire and the following inferno that led to the collapse," he says. The federally sponsored study of the disaster came to the same conclusion.
Thornton thinks that future mega-skyscraper designs are likely to make greater use of concrete. Reinforced with steel rods, it will be employed to make structural members. Concrete will also encase steel components, shoring them up and insulating them from fire.... And although concrete buildings tend to be markedly heavier and bulkier than steel ones, clever design can avoid the bunker look, according to architect Kohn....
Despite these measures, however, experts emphasize that there must be a first line of defense in protecting skyscrapers?namely, it must be to stop terrorist attacks from occurring at all.
Full article at:
www.scientificamerican.com...
Originally posted by jthomas
It would be nice for you, or someone else, to choose one event of 9/11 that some believe as evidence of a conspiracy and then explore all of the requirements, implications, and consequences we can think of and see if could actually involve only a few people "in the know" and be kept quiet.
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Again, Leslie Robertson did not design the towers. He had nothing to do with designing the towers.
Originally posted by NIcon
reply to post by jthomas
NIcon all ready knows nobody should be listening to Leslie Robertson, until, in my opinion, his views can be verified and corroborated through other means.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Originally posted by jthomas
It would be nice for you, or someone else, to choose one event of 9/11 that some believe as evidence of a conspiracy and then explore all of the requirements, implications, and consequences we can think of and see if could actually involve only a few people "in the know" and be kept quiet.
This is a good start:
The Real 9/11 Conspiracy, The Invention of Islamic Terrorism
I've long contended that it's entirely possible that the events of 9/11 transpired exactly as seen on the surface -- fast-moving planes, hijacked by terrorists, caused catastrophic damage to buildings -- and still be a very serious "conspiracy," on several levels, with complicit parties in various government positions.
I always thought the subject matter was completely irrelevant to anything.
Originally posted by NIcon
reply to post by jthomas
That would be all of Leslie's views, jthomas.
For more specifics about the subject, feel free to review my posts in this thread as I included some of the quotes from Leslie that I'm concerned with.
How about providing his views relevant to the conversation that you would want me to know and are not corroborated.
And I have addressed some. You haven't acknowledged them. So this doesn't look to be a productive exercise.
I always thought the subject matter was completely irrelevant to anything.
Just because Robertson claims to have designed the towers, doesn't mean he actually did.
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Saying it over and over doesn't make it so. But you can certainly try:
Robertson, who is seventy-three, wore a gray silk shirt that was open at the collar. His hair is mostly white, and longish, falling over his ears, and with bangs in front, which gives him a slightly bohemian look. His brown eyes are like very deep pools, and the flesh below the eyes was swollen, either with fatigue or with grief. As we talked, he frequently looked out the window. I felt the absence of the buildings in him. "That's how people introduced me," he said. "I was the designer of the World Trade Center. Although that was wrong, actually--I only assisted on the team that designed it. But that's who I was."
Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
but not smart enough to go the extra step and design them to withstand a full speed impact?
Originally posted by rush969
Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
but not smart enough to go the extra step and design them to withstand a full speed impact?
BOTH BUILDINGS DID WITHSTAND THE IMPACT OF BOTH AIRPLANES!!!
THAT IS A HISTORICAL FACT!!!
AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE ALIVE THANKS TO THIS.
[edit on 25-5-2010 by rush969]