David Myatt - Satanic Islamist?

David Myatt - Satanic Islamist?
1) David Myatt fronts the National Socialist Movement and calls for the creation of racial terror with bombs - David Copeland joins the NSM because the BNP is not violent enough.
2) David Myatt publishes a pamphlet on bomb making - David Copeland constructs nailbombs.
3) David Myatt says homosexuality is 'decadent' - David Copeland blows up a gay pub.
4) David Myatt questions the innocence of infants blown up by terrorist bombs - David Copeland murders an unborn child and pregnant mother.
4) David Myatt was imprisoned for racial assaults on Asian people - David Copeland blows up Asian people in Brick Lane.
5) David Myatt claims to be a Muslim and suggests blowing people up is 'justified and lawful' - David Copeland seeks out an extreme form of Islam whilst in prison.
David Myatt has close associations with known Satanists stretching back over forty years - David Copeland is exposed to Satanism just before he murders and maims scores of people with three nail-bombs.

Question: What is the specific relationship between hate material and hate crime?

Please see: voiceoverthere.wordpress.com...
for some answers to these questions.

P.S. WARNING - Do not click on any of "Raffy's" links. They all lead to sites used for I.D. theft. I've had my computer attacked frequently when browsing the 'David Myatt' hate sites. Use a public computer if you really want to see 'Raffy's' stuff.

Oh dear, the resident MOAC - the Myatt Obsessed Anonymous Coward aka another anonymous Myatt stalker - surfaces again with more malicious allegations about Myatt, and more paranoia about "clicking on links", by which the MOAC means "I don't want you to click on any links because the info there will expose my lies..." LOL!

Most people here, anyway, will have enough IT knowledge to be able to judge the matter of such "links" for themselves.

For those interested in the truth about Myatt, check out

davidmyatt.wordpress.com...

and especially items such as

davidmyatt.wordpress.com...

You say in your blog that Myatt's work is not relevant to the lives of sane people, so why are you and the two 'academics' reading his stuff?
Are you insane as well?

Judging by the extracts from David Myatt's work it is clear that he is a Satanist. I just cannot understand why anyone would
go to so much trouble to prove what is already obvious

You are missing an important distinction here Barney.

David Myatt's work is irrelevant to all sane people as a PROSELITYSING force. But that does not mean his work not worthy of examination by academics, journalists, human rights activists and anyone concerned with preventing the deaths of innocent people.

It must be remembered that David Myatt has openly denied the Holocaust and endorsed the slaughter of civilians using suicide bombs. Both of these actions are highly illegal in most countries and it is in the public interest to closely examine the source of these utterances.

voiceoverthere.wordpress.com...

'Raffy' has been told many times that nobody is trying to prevent people reading David Myatt's texts. My advice is always to use a public computer because all of the David Myatt hate sites are full of malware. If people don't want to take my advice, that is entirely up to them.

The difficulty I have with your blog is that Myatts 'PROSELITIZING' as you put it, isn't that at all. It is just an expression of his personal opinions and lots of people do that on the internet.

You don't actually have any proof that David Myatt has written anything to encourage Muslims to blow up civilians. When Myatt was questioned about the hate material he was alleged to have produced, he simply said that it was written by persons unknown. Not by him.

Anyway, David Myatt has stated publicly that he is no longer a nazi and it is being said that he is not a Muslim either. So any conjecture about David Myatt's hate material is irrelevant. _javascript:icon('')

Barney, the faulty logic of your argument neatly encapsulates the complete worthlessness of everything 'David Myatt' has ever written.

You say

"You don't actually have any proof that David Myatt has written anything to encourage Muslims to blow up civilians. When Myatt was questioned about the hate material he was alleged to have produced, he simply said that it was written by persons unknown. Not by him."

So you are basing your whole argument on the premise that nobody - not even the police - can prove whether internet texts are genuine and written by David Myatt, or fakes written by someone else.
Yet in the next breath you contradict this with,

"Anyway, David Myatt has stated publicly that he is no longer a nazi and it is being said that he is not a Muslim either. So any conjecture about David Myatt's hate material is irrelevant."

So now you are saying that by some mysterious process, you have determined that this is a genuine statement by David Myatt himself. How do you know? When David Myatt 'states something publicly', it is just another meaningless piece of dross with no provenance. The only person who knows which are the genuine texts is David Myatt himself.

David Myatt established in police interviews that his work was being faked and distorted all over the internet. The police had reams of hate material purportedly written by Myatt. Yet Myatt claimed that this whole mass of evidence was all written by 'persons unknown'.

Why do you think you can pick one scrap of text out of all this internet rubbish, and say 'David Myatt has stated publicly' etc. etc.

I'll put this as simply as I can. David Myatt's work has no provenance because David Myatt used his work's lack of provenance as a defence in a police investigation.


If you had taken the trouble to read the 'Conclusion' in
voiceoverthere.wordpress.com...

you wouldn't have fallen into this trap.

[edit on 30-4-2010 by darpaint5]

You should take a look at this thread, Barney.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

'Raffy' is another person who wants it both ways. On the one hand he poses as an independent supporter of David Myatt. Yet when he is asked :

'This is interesting Raffy, you said "FYI, David Myatt's own site - his one and only - is at......." How can you possibly know exactly which websites David Myatt is running himself? Unless you are in fact....... David Myatt?!!!! Surely Not.'

Suddenly 'raffy' doesn't want to play anymore and skulks away like a coward. Why do you think he refused to answer Barney and what does that say about the authenticity of 'David Myatt's' internet writings?

So who is David Myatt anyway? Should I have heard of him?

David Myatt was a minor figure in the british nazi movement. He renounced his nazi views years ago and became a radical Muslim. If you are interested rollerpaxen, there is plenty of information on the internet about him.

Some people think that Myatt is a nasty weirdo, but most agree he is ineffectual and weak. This thread shows what the 'average joe' thinks about him

www.strategytalk.org...

It is only darpaint and a few journalists who think David is a danger to the public.

I have met Dave a couple of times and he is quietly spoken. I thought he was a bit 'out there' with his space colonies for aryans, but there's no harm in the man. Many delusional people are often quite powerless to change the world in any meaningful way and that is the reason why darpaint's hysteria annoys me. If he had any intelligence, he should be able see that the back story of Myatt is one of dilettantism and frustration.

Myatt might have been able to exploit various groups of thugs, (to assault asian women and kill family pets for example), but he never had the clout to attack anyone with any influence on immigration. The story of the failure inherent in modern national socialism I guess.

Originally posted by darpaint5 David Myatt's work is irrelevant to all sane people

Since it is so obviously not irrelevant to you - given your plethora of posts about Myatt, all over the Internet, and given all the anti-Myatt you have set up over the years - then according to your own statement you must be insane

So, do please explain to us why you spend so much time, over some years, posting about someone whose you regard as irrelevant to all sane people.

So, do please explain to us how Myatt's poetry, his Greek translations, his voluminous about his philosophy of The Numinous Way, are irrelevant to all sane people.

So, do please explain why if Myatt's works are so irrelevant they have been the subject of two academic articles (which you yourself quote from on one of your anti-Myatt blogs), and why Myatt's works and Myatt himself are and have been praised by groups and individuals for years and why his writings have been translated into many languages? Are you suggesting that all these people are insane?

Or is that your blind hatred of Myatt - for whatever irrational reason - has somewhat blinded you to the reality? Or are you simply jealous?

Originally posted by darpaint5 Raffy... poses as an independent supporter of David Myatt.

As usual, you make a fallacious assumption.

Countering your anonymous lies and allegations and disinformation about Myatt does not make me a supporter of his, independent or otherwise.

Neither does writing about Myatt's works make me a supporter of his, independent or otherwise.

Originally posted by darpaint5 How can you possibly know exactly which websites David Myatt is running himself?

Simples. One either asks the individual in question, or one asks a trusted friend of Myatt.

Which begs the question why you - who have spread allegations about Myatt all over the Internet - have never ever bothered to contact him via e-mail for "his side of the story"?

What are you afraid of?

If you can't find his e-mail address, PM me and I'll pass your request on.

Originally posted by darpaint5Suddenly 'raffy' doesn't want to play anymore

Obviously another one of your ever so factual statements, given my reply now.

Now, do please answer the following question which you have avoided answering for over a year -

Do you or do you not believe Myatt is or was a covert operative for MI5 as suggested by the following article which gives detailed references?

aboutmyatt.wordpress.com...

Also, do please explain why you never ever mention any of Myatt's poetry, or his writings about compassion and suffering, or his Numinous Way philosophy.


[edit on 3-5-2010 by raffy13]

Originally posted by barney808 Judging by the extracts from David Myatt's work it is clear that he is a Satanist.

Just what works by David Myatt are you referring to?

Myatt has always - for decades - denied being a *satanist* and challenged anyone to provide evidence that he is.

No one has ever provided any *evidence* - not even Mr Senholt in his academic article about the ONA and Myatt, which runs to some 57 pages. Senholt makes certain *assumptions*, and then expresses a personal opinion based on these assumptions.

One person's opinion about someone does not make something true - even if that person is an *academic*. An academic can be as wrong as we ordinary mortals.

To quote people like Senholt as the MOAC here does to bolster his own prejudice about Myatt, is to fall into the fallacy of the *appeal to authority*.

For the very few who might be interested, this academic article is - Senholt, Jacob C: Political Esotericism & the convergence of Radical Islam, Satanism and National Socialism in the Order of the Nine Angles. Norwegian University of Science and Technology, Conference: Satanism in the Modern World, November 2009

I saw this strange thread and wondered what you guys are up to. I was intrigued to know if David Myatt is some sort of celebrity in england or perhaps one of your great british eccentrics. Having looked him up, the little guy certainly seems very weird. Only in england, as they say.

Darpaint5, your blog voiceoverthere.wordpress.com...
is a little fragmented to say the least. You seem to be trying to prove that David Myatt is a whole lot of bad people and all at the same time. That being said, it contains an awful lot of references to Myatt's involvement with satanism. It is the sheer diversity of sources which finally convinced me.

"Satanists are dirty scum who use this bull# as a front for child molestation."

This is from this article rigorousintuition.yuku.com...

and refers to the scandal surrounding David Myatt, that lead to the break up of a nazi organization called combat 18.

This is an extract from a book written by a nazi called Eddy Morrison. He is talking about why he had to throw David Myatt out of the membership.
"At this time I had the unpleasant duty of rooting out and expelling a small bunch of "Satanists". www.aryanunity.org...

Then there is the satanist manuscript Copula cum Daemone written by D. W. Myatt, in the british library and so on.

Yesterday I found a whole lot more stuff linking David Myatt with satanism.
David Myatt co-authored two books with satanist Anton Long. The Black Book of Satan and The Black Book of Satan: Exoteric Principles. www.books-by-isbn.com...
He also contributed to another book by satanist Christos Beest
mysatan.ning.com...

Not only that, but David Myatt actually lived with satanist Christos Beest. This is an extract from a book by Nick Lowels.

' He denied any connection to the Order of Nine Angles (ONA) but was forced to admit that he had opened four P. O. boxes from which the cult had operated between 1983 and 1994. 'I only opened them as a favour for a friend,' he lamely commented. When pressed with evidence that his own political writings had been distributed from these addresses, he said that the box was shared by a friend whose identity he had promised to keep secret. Myatt was also forced to concede that NSM (National Socialist Movement) supporter Richard Moult was 'Christos Beest', the new leader of ONA, and that he was actually living with Moult and his partner.
www.stewarthomesociety.org...

David Myatt also contributed articles to the satanist publication, the heretic
textfiles.com...

The editor of the satanist newsletter, the heretic, is Stephen Cox, David Myatt's best friend. _javascript:icon('') textfiles.com...

A person can be judged by the company he keeps.
If you cooperate by writing books with known satanists, chooses satanists as your friends and even go and live with satanists, then in my eyes you are a satanist, period.

Originally posted by darnext Yesterday I found a whole lot more stuff linking David Myatt with satanism.

Oh look it's the MOAC posting under yet another user name.

Originally posted by darnext

Not only that, but David Myatt actually lived with satanist Christos Beest.

Still using the logical fallacy of *appeal to authority* I see. Just repeating the lies of someone else doesn't make them true.

The statement by Lowles has been disproven many times - at the time Lowles claimed Myatt was staying with Beest, Myatt was living in a different English county and working on a farm, and was in fact arrested by detectives from Scotland Yard at that address only a short time after Lowles claimed he was elsewhere.

Here's a true description of Myatt's meeting with Lowles:

Myatt is interviewed at an Inn in Craven Arms, Shropshire, by Nick Lowles of Searchlight, who – fearful of Myatt’s reputation as man of violence who “always carries a weapon” – brings along a “minder” and declines Myatt’s suggestion to meet elsewhere, fearing an ambush. Unknown to Lowles, several supporters of Myatt are already present in the Inn. Lowles tries to get Myatt to admit to being Anton Long, mentioning a PO Box in Hereford which he claims is “proof”, but Myatt politely replies that he was, for a short while only, merely doing a favor for a long-standing friend whose views he did not share. Lowles eventually gets angry – shouting at Myatt: “Why don’t you just admit it!” – but Myatt remains calm and polite and repeats his denial. Myatt was later to write that he had mentioned this friend several times before, including to Professor Jeffrey Kaplan (see footnote #51 of Kaplan’s book Nation and Race). Myatt was to later publicly challenge Lowles to a duel with deadly weapons for spreading lies and making malicious allegations about him, a challenge which Lowles did not accept, leading Myatt to publicly call him “a dishonourable lying coward”.

This interview was tape-recorded by Lowles, who – despite being asked – has never issued the recording, almost certainly because it would confirm Myatt’s version of the events.

Given Lowles political views and his political agenda, given his personal bias against Myatt, and given his proven disregard for the truth, Nick Lowles is not a credible, reliable, source of information about, or concerning, Myatt.

See
magemyatt.wordpress.com...

As for Eddy Morrison - another person who plays loose with the facts:

The facts are given in an Appendix to Part One of Myatt’s Autobiographical Notes:

www.davidmyatt.info...

Originally posted by darnext A person can be judged by the company he keeps.

Just answer this one simple question - Do you or do you not believe Myatt is or was a covert operative for MI5 as suggested by the following article which gives detailed references?

aboutmyatt.wordpress.com...

Also, do please explain why you have not mentioned any of Myatt's poetry, or his writings about compassion and suffering, or his Numinous Way philosophy.

Originally posted by darpaint5
David Myatt - Satanic?

So what? Who cares if Myatt's a satanist? What's the big deal - today - about satanism?

Get real; get a life; stop banging your old war drum. You're living in the past - satanism may have scared or worried some folks, half a century or more ago, but not today.

Here's a quote for you -

the world is full of people far, far worse, more evil, more deserving of approbation, than the mythological Myatt The Evil Monster that the MOAC – and others like him who have wailed on about Myatt being a Satanist for years – portray Myatt to be. Perhaps the MOAC – and others like him who have wailed on about Myatt being a Satanist for years – have never watched CSI, in all its variants, LOL!

The rest of the article about David Myatt and Satanism is at

pointyhat.wordpress.com...

Why is it important if Myatt is a Satanist or not?

Firstly, because David Copeland was allegedly influenced by Satanists before he murdered and maimed innocent men, women and children in his insane series of bomb attacks.

www.amazon.co.jp... 'Mr Evil - Copeland Exposed to Satanism.'

Secondly, because child murderer, David Copeland, 'sought an extreme form of Islam' whilst in prison. You may remember that David Myatt also 'sought an extreme form of Islam' and has said that suicide bombings are 'lawful and justified'.

www.davidmyatt.info...

Entry 14 on Wiki
en.wikipedia.org...
Myatt, David. "Are Martyrdom Operations Lawful (According to Quran and Sunnah)?", retrieved May 1, 2006 from Abdul-Aziz ibn Myatt's website, now removed.
www.searchlightmagazine.com/index.php?link=template&story=233 (July 2008 page 7).

grayee.blogspot.com...
Thirdly, because the Order of Nine Angles Satanic manuscripts contain material which incites people to commit acts of terrorism and David Myatt has, at the very least, close associations with members of the ONA. As 'darnext' has said, David Myatt co-authored at least two books with notorious Satanists, lived with them, opened Post Office Boxes to distribute their material and is the lifetime friend of Satanists Stephen Cox and 'Christos Beest'.
Fourthly, because David Myatt has questioned the innocence of victims of suicide bombers. This outrageous statement is closely matched by Myatt's alleged alter ego, insane Satanist 'Anton long', as this extract from the blog ( voiceoverthere.wordpress.com... ) shows.

' Copeland's dreadful bomb attacks killed a pregnant mother and her unborn child. Another infant had a four inch nail embedded in his skull. David Myatt the Muslim and 'Anton Long' the Satanist both have similar levels of contempt for innocent victims.

"culling by its nature removes the worthless.........they are never 'innocent.' "
'Anton Long' - Satanist.

Contrast the above quote with this:

"Q.....Is the deliberate targeting of innocent bystanders by suicide bombers something that Islam should allow, or encourage?

A.........who is "innocent"? That is, what criteria are used to decide if someone is "innocent"? The criteria of the West - or the criteria of Deen Al-Islam? Nowhere in the Quaran and Sunnah is there any word such as "innocent"
David Myatt - 'Muslim' '

voiceoverthere.wordpress.com...

You may consider Satanism to be a 'religion', but if it results in the death of an unborn child and many other people, it becomes a dangerous religion and a matter of public concern.

Might I suggest that you read the blog before posting comments in future.