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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
I suggest people actually do some research into the Marxist economy as a system and build a movement around that!
Waving a bunch of banners saying "we don't want health-care" is freaking stoooopid!!
(true) Communism > Anarchism
Tea Party Movement = Disenfranchised public with little to know idea what they're on about.
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Please don't talk about stupidity when you seem to back the most backward, stupid, and destructive ideology that has ever existed....
Sorry, but a book, nor several books written by a bunch of leftists who have never set foot on any Communist country, and much less experienced Communism, or the Marxist ideas, have no idea nor concept of what Marxism/Communism is all about....
People who back Marxism/Communism= people with too much time, have a too small cranial cavity to have enough brains to reason, and who have little to "NO" idea of what they are on about....
BTW, if you had any real education you would know the difference betwen "no" and "know"...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Then Stalin came and ruined it, and the west invented the Red Scare. OooOooohhh.
Millions of other people, as well as I LIVED the "red scare".....and it wasn't invented by the west.....
Talk about someone who is uneducated, and has "no" idea as to what they are on about....
Oh, and btw...the Constitution "was" not only important back in the old days, it still IS important... But of course, that is something someone like you would never understand...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by Rockpuck
I agree. But it was also founded to be Capitalist.
There is nothing wrong with a country being Capitalist, and in fact Capitalism has allowed for people, even poor people to rise above the poverty into which they were born, if they worked hard enough to earn it. This is something that in many other countries, and more so, non-Capitalist countries
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
The United States is not a Democracy, it is a Republic, and I don't know who told you that Socialism or Communism can exist in the Republic, but it is not true, simply because in Communism, and true/scientific Socialism people cannot own property, own firearms, and there is not even free speech allowed in true Socialist, and Communist countries, all of this, and much more goes against the Constitution of the United States, and if you are an American you should know that the Constitution of the United States is the law of the land, and i don't care what "Progressives"/Democrats/Socialists. or even Communists might tell you, but the Constitution is more important than any president, or any law that the Feds pass, or try to pass.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Now I am confused, in your previous statement you claim and I quote: "It was also founded to be a Representative Democracy, of which Socialism, Fascism and other Isms define the actions of said Democracies." I am not mixing ideologies, with governing structures, you are. The Constitution of the United States, which is a Representative REPUBLIC does not allow for Socialism, Communism, Fascism, or any other such ism.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by Rockpuck
The Republican Party (unless you are being facetious) IS Fascist. Sorry, but if you are a Conservative (True Conservative) you would despise the Republican Party.. what they say and do are polar opposites.
I am sorry but that is not true. i might disagree with at least some of the things they do or say, but they are not Fascist. Do you have any idea what Facism means? If the Republican Party was Fascist, we wouldn't be having a "Progressive" president in power, and a Democrat/Progressive administration. Not to mention the fact that DEMOCRATS are a mayority in both the Senate, and the House, and they ahve been so during the Bish years.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Whats the difference between a Republican and a Democrat? Religion.
lol, you are SURELY confused. There are a lot more differences. Democrats want more Social programs, welfare, and a much bigger government, Republicans want more individual freedom, and personal resposibility, as well as smaller government.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Both aim for a corporate sponsored Socialist Government, only one through means of a Religious method and the other a secular method. Talk to any Republican, they want health care and medicare, and social security.. and if it were not for gays, minorities, and anti religious attitudes, they would be Democrats.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
All forms of government can be corrupted if allowed. Look at Canada, a very leftist, very Liberal country which has an extremely corrupt government.
IMO, for the United States, the Republic, as founded by the forefathers is the form of government that should exist, but the rich Socialist elites could not allow for the Republic of the U.S. to have so much power, so they corrupted it from within, and installed puppets which will give power once more to the rich Socialist elites.
Stalin was a Totalitarian Tyrant who used terrorism, and propaganda to come across as Communist – he was not!
There’s nothing wrong with Grass Roots Capitalism, but there is everything wrong in Capitalism on a grand-scale
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Stalin was a Totalitarian Tyrant who used terrorism, and propaganda to come across as Communist – he was not!
Indeed, Stalin was not a Communist .. he was a Socialist. Or a Stalinist. communism is the best possible political structure, however like Anarchy I don't believe it could ever work .. simply because of Human Nature.
It's a Utopian idea.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
There’s nothing wrong with Grass Roots Capitalism, but there is everything wrong in Capitalism on a grand-scale
I choose to call "grand-scale" capitalism "corporatism" .. which is essentially what the Western world has turned to.. the media calls it "to big to fail" .. if it's to big to fail, it's to big to exist.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
...You are a Republican. This is why you cannot SEE. You believe in the two parties, you support this idea .. you actually believe the two parties are different.. anyone on ATS will attest.. you cannot see.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
The US is a Republic, however a Republic does not demand election, only representation of various states, commonwealths, and territories be represented in a unified governing body, or Union. Democracy is the act of Voting .. so while the US is in fact a Republic, it is also a Representative Democracy. This is political fact.. in fact, the way the US is actually set up, its more in line with a Confederation than it is a Republic.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Lets recap (isnt school fun?) the US is a Constitutional Republic. It is ALSO a Representative Democracy. The people directly elect a Representative to vote for them among the Federal Government, while the States (Republic) elects the Executive (President) ..
Originally posted by Rockpuck
But again .. we agree.. yet we disagree .. which I believe the problem simply lies in the fact that you are a staunch Republican, and because of this you cannot See.
U.S. Constitution - Article 4 Section 4
Article 4 - The States
Section 4 - Republican Government
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,......
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
What a self-righteous git, you misspelt between, betwen ...
Your argument here is what exactly, the people who wrote about Marxism, and brought it into society have no idea what it’s about?
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
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Awesome logic and reasoning there...
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
I’ll bite, where did you :quote: LIVE the “red scare” :endquote: ?
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
The second Red Scare was post WW2 hysteria and power grabbing.
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Stalin was a Totalitarian Tyrant who used terrorism, and propaganda to come across as Communist – he was not! Maybe you should read some stuff about Trotsky and then we can have a ration conversation about what Communism is or isn’t, was or wasn’t.
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
There’s nothing wrong with Grass Roots Capitalism, but there is everything wrong in Capitalism on a grand-scale! It’s incredibly wasteful, creates poverty, destroys nature, creates mindless consumers, destroys local communities, destroys 3rd world nations, limits progress, retards scientific method, segregates people, creates things of pointless trivial importance, limits freedom of thought, creates scarcity, etc etc etc etc etc.
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
What exactly are you working hard enough to earn?
Running water, Food, Shelter, Education, Healthcare, Transportation... These are basic human rights, but unless you’re rich enough to afford them you are devoid of adequacy. Why is my person judged by the amount of money I can accumulate instead of my contribution to society?
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
If American style Capitalism is so great, why is 25% of people living in America below the UN Poverty line?
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
And in your Republic you’ve virtually got two choices that are exactly the same, who cater to a small circle of massive corporations. Of which are not mentioned in the constitution – yet they have a greater control over what your life and standard of living is/was/going to be. Where is the representation of the people in that?
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
And you don’t know what you’re talking about it in terms of Communism and/or “Scientific Socialism”. There is a difference between everyone/no-one owning the means to production (ie property) and having a house to live out your life in and call your own. And what does Communism have anything to do with possessing a firearm??? And free speech would be much greater in a Communist system, though reasoning and logic would have a greater role to play instead of ego-driven non-sense.
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Communism is the greatest form of Direct Democracy there is if its pure in intent (ie not worrying about fighting off an invasion). The only problem is the access to resources – that’s why a workers revolution must be international. Because if nuclear cold fusion is the best energy source we can come up with, and you live in Cuba – you gotta hope the US sanctions don’t cover Uranium or Plutonium or you’re screwed.
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Does the constitution specify the adherence to a particular economic model?
Again, don't even attempt to give as an example African countries where there are either Islamic militants attacking, and killing people, or warlords.... Those are not Capitalist nations, those are dictatorships and have nothing in common with Capitalism....
The only true use for "anarchists" is to be used as test platforms for the effectiveness of steamrollers.
They won't pay attention, David.
The !!!!DEMAND!!!! for a free lunch at someone else's expense continues.
The ASSUMPTIONS that all the things that have destroyed nations and cultures throughout history . . . the assumptions that those things are wonderful and PROGRESSIVE continues.
The demand for straight-jacket-black-booted-globalist tyranny--the era of THE BLADE RUNNER--continues.
Cyberpunk plots often center on a conflict among hackers, artificial intelligences, and megacorporations, and tend to be set in a near-future Earth, rather than the far-future settings or galactic vistas found in novels such as Isaac Asimov's Foundation or Frank Herbert's Dune.[5] The settings are usually post-industrial dystopias but tend to be marked by extraordinary cultural ferment and the use of technology in ways never anticipated by its creators ("the street finds its own uses for things").[6] Much of the genre's atmosphere echoes film noir, and written works in the genre often use techniques from detective fiction.[7]
Those with a hunger for 1984/BRAVE NEW WORLD/BLADE RUNNER/ etc. by those with more emptiness than synapses between their ears continues.
Thankfully, the housecleaning is scheduled.
We seem to be racing toward it at an increasing speed.
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Facism? Mayority? Ahve? Bish years?? - So self-righteous...
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
If that doesn’t describe the maJority of Republicans (especially during the BUsh years), than I’m afraid that you HAVE been watching too much Glenn Beck. Mind you, Obama is just as bad as Bush, simply because he is continuing the policies that preceded him.
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
OooOOh he creates some healthcare scheme to work for the insurance companies, and all of a sudden he’s progressive? You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Progressivism is a political attitude favoring or advocating changes or reform. Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservative or reactionary ideologies.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
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. And the only Freedoms Republicans want you to have is the freedom to consume, you are held responsible for being taken advantage of, and smaller government by means of giving power to un-elected private corporations and invested interests.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
YAY FOR FREEDOM!! /sarcasm
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Both aim for a corporate sponsored Socialist Government, only one through means of a Religious method and the other a secular method. Talk to any Republican, they want health care and medicare, and social security.. and if it were not for gays, minorities, and anti religious attitudes, they would be Democrats.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Canada is NOWHERE NEAR VERY LEFT, VERY LIBERAL!!
Originally posted by Rockpuck
You have no idea what your talking about because you’re speaking from the typical American sheeple point of view.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
By the rest of the worlds standards Canada is centralist.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
A Rich-Socialist is an oxymoronic statement.
Originally posted by Someone336
Hey, why not? African countries like Somalia are some of the Freest Markets on the planet... no government intervention whatsoever! And no oppressive centralized government to muck everything up and ruin everybody's day.
Originally posted by Someone336
And since when can there be no capitalist dictatorships?
Originally posted by Someone336
Wasn't there some guy named PINOCHET down South a couple of decades ago? Let me guess, he was a socialist too, just like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Martin Luther King, George W. Bush, Jesus Christ, etc?
Originally posted by Someone336
The obfuscation is getting old, man.
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
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Someone like you would never understand why I am so against stupid morons who still claim Marxism/Communism is great... Because you can't see that when a small group of people have ALL the power, they ALWAYS become monsters...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
People like you still adore che guevara... but you have never read what he wrote, and you never heard, or even witnessed what he did to spread Communism...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
che guevara LOVED to use his knowledge in medicine to torture prisoners, and he was castro's executioner...”
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
che guevara wrote that he loved to murder people, and he was ALWAYS anxious to spill more blood.... That is what "constant revolution means".... and Communism/Marxism brings "constant revolution", which means there is always war and conflicts....
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I lived through Communism, and I don't want to see another self righteous moron trying to revive the disease that is Marxism/Communism...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Your argument here is what exactly, the people who wrote about Marxism, and brought it into society have no idea what it’s about?
And that people who understand the ideals of democratic ownership of the means of production, the class struggle between bourgeoisie (the very rich, who own the means of production and wealth creation) and the proletariat (the people who must work for a living to survive and make others rich) and true decentralised power structures – are stupid, backward, destructive, cannot reason and have small cranial cavities.
Awesome logic and reasoning there...
Really?... that must be why every freaking country which has embraced Marxism/Communism has been so good for the people and country where it was accepted heh?.... The "awesome logic" seems to escape people like you....
Awesome logic "ghostsoldier".... To want to once again bring forth the same moronic disease that is Marxism/Communism so that other countries and people can be subjected to the "selfrighteous whims" of morons who can't see beyong their own noses.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
The first Red Scare happened in and around 1917 – 20s when workers were waking up to the virtual feudalism they were living in, and began striking etc,.........
AND IT WAS GOOD THAT IT HAPPENED.... At least the indoctrination by the Communist morons was stopped for a time...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
The second Red Scare was post WW2 hysteria and power grabbing.
And Again...IT WAS GOOD that it happened....and it wasn't "hysteria and power grabbing"... It was the effort by intelligent people to stop the spread of the lies, and the disease that is Communism/Marxism...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
For crying out loud.. Communist China brought Communism by force to countries like Vietnam, but the lefties always blame the U.S. and say nothing about what Communist China, and other countries like the U.S.S.R. Cuba, and others have done...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Yes, there has been a constant effort by Communists to spread their lies around the world, and even to start wars, and conflicts to countries that couldn't fight back....
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Then you had morons in the U.S., and infiltrators who tried to brainwash people into believing that Communism/Marxism is great and it liberates the people, and people like you want to claim that the "red scare never existed, and it was hysteria and power grabbing?....
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Stalin was a Totalitarian Tyrant who used terrorism, and propaganda to come across as Communist – he was not! Maybe you should read some stuff about Trotsky and then we can have a ration conversation about what Communism is or isn’t, was or wasn’t.
BS...that is the same stupid excuse every Communist comes up with trying to spread the lies of Communism...
Stalin did EXACTLY what Communism/Marxism does to a country.... what is going to be the excuse you are going to give for EVERY country which embraced Marxism/Communism and brought nothing more than OPPRESSION AND SUFFERING?....
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I was indoctrinated into reading, and listening all the writtings of those Communist/Marxist morons. So thanks, but no. I know very well what was written by those idiots...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
[...]I want to ask you, if Communism is so great then why is it that 99.999% of the people who live under Communism/Marxism are all POORER, and SUFFERING MORE than in most Capitalist countries?....
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Again, don't even attempt to give as an example African countries where there are either Islamic militants attacking, and killing people, or warlords.... Those are not Capitalist nations, those are dictatorships and have nothing in common with Capitalism...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
And in your Republic you’ve virtually got two choices that are exactly the same, who cater to a small circle of massive corporations. Of which are not mentioned in the constitution – yet they have a greater control over what your life and standard of living is/was/going to be. Where is the representation of the people in that?
And it was thanks to "Progressives"/Socialists like Woodrow Wilson that the United States of America is in this state....
Woodrow Wilson a Democrat who signed into law the Federal Reserve Act giving all economic power to banks, and the rich elite...
Not only that, but it was Woodrow Wilson, a Progressive Democrat, or another word for Socialist, who also set up the current IRS system....
AGAIN, this is another example of how the "Progressives/Socialists/Communists" destroy a nation.... I do thank you for bringing this up......
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I KNOW what I am talking about because I LIVED through Communism, and I STILL have family in Communist Cuba...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Communism is the greatest form of Direct Democracy there is if its pure in intent (ie not worrying about fighting off an invasion). The only problem is the access to resources – that’s why a workers revolution must be international. Because if nuclear cold fusion is the best energy source we can come up with, and you live in Cuba – you gotta hope the US sanctions don’t cover Uranium or Plutonium or you’re screwed.
BS.. Communism is the greatest dictatorial rule that has ever existed... EVEN IN I'TS PUREST FORM.... People like you can't understand for some strange reason that HUMANS ARE NOT PERFECT NOR PURE....
Worker's revolution my behind... you try to start one and see where you are going to end... There are millions of people who like me have experienced the disease you want to spread around the world, and eventually we will stop you.... Just @#$#%^ try it...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Facism? Mayority? Ahve? Bish years?? - So self-righteous...
I have no idea what in the world you are talking about... Obviously there are several people extremely ignorant of everything they write about...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
First of all if you are talking about the "Bush years" and that Republicans were a mayority, you are not only ignorant but delluded...
In both the House of Representatives, and the Senate DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN THE MAYORITY for several years now, and including during Bush years....
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[...] Many of them are neo-cons, which means they were once and for a long time part of the left and were even Democrats but changed sides to infiltrate the Republican party. The rest, for the most part seem to have been bought off.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Do you even KNOW what Fascism is?
”Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives, values, and systems such as the political system and the economy. Generally considered to be on the far-right of the political spectrum. And commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.”
If that doesn’t describe the maJority of Republicans (especially during the BUsh years), than I’m afraid that you HAVE been watching too much Glenn Beck. Mind you, Obama is just as bad as Bush, simply because he is continuing the policies that preceded him.
For crying outloud...a fascist government wages war INSIDE THAT NATION, and systematically go about exterminating the oposition....
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
OooOOh he creates some healthcare scheme to work for the insurance companies, and all of a sudden he’s progressive? You don’t know what you’re talking about.
i don't know what I am talking about?...really?...
Progressivism is a political attitude favoring or advocating changes or reform. Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservative or reactionary ideologies.
en.wikipedia.org...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Everything the democrats “want” you just mentioned are falsehoods and token statements sent out through the TV to give the illusion it is different to the Republicans, and to quell if any distress that could be violent or disruptive to the system. And the only Freedoms Republicans want you to have is the freedom to consume, you are held responsible for being taken advantage of, and smaller government by means of giving power to un-elected private corporations and invested interests.
Again, and for the hundredth time that is not Republicanism.... It was thanks to a PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT Woodrow Wilson that the Republic was sold to the elite bankers...to the rich elites...
The PROGRESSIVE Democrat Woodrow Wilson signed into law the Federal Reserve Act, and he implemented the current IRS system...
It was, and has been the PROGRESSIVES who have corrupted the Republic.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
YAY FOR PROGRESS!!! /sarcasm.....
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Canada is NOWHERE NEAR VERY LEFT, VERY LIBERAL!!
Of course, for a COMMUNIST such as yourself Canada is nowhere close to YOUR standards....
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
By the rest of the worlds standards Canada is centralist.
You mean, by YOUR Communist standards....
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
A Rich-Socialist is an oxymoronic statement.
Tell that to the rich Socialists all over he world...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by Someone336
The obfuscation is getting old, man.
Yeah, the obfuscation by people like you...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
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