One state

Is Israel Forcing a One state option only?

since Israel continously builds on anaxed land which is breach of inteernational laws
and give it a few years there wont be any Palestine or any hope of two state solution.

Is israel forcing on a south african like aparthide country?

Originally posted by illusive man
Is israel forcing on a south african like aparthide country?

No, they don't want aparthide, they want the Palistinians out. They'll do it by either expulsion or extermination.


IMO, they favor the extermination option. That way they don't have to worry about them coming back trying to recover the land of their ancestors, even centuries later like they did.

reply to post by FortAnthem


I typically hate all the Israel bashing on ATS. And, I think the Muslim countries surrounding them are the aggressors at this point in history . . . . BUT . . . We have to face facts, and you are exactly right!

The Israelis would prefer, to have the Palestineans "completely" gone, up to and including Extermination. I would not dispute that fact at all, even though it sounds so hateful. I would remind everyone that the Palestineans and Muslims feel exactly the same way about Israel. Everyone in that geographical area wants everyone else exterminated.

So, it isn't very often that I get to agree with some post that tinges on the edge of bashing Israel, but in this case, the facts are the facts, and vice versa!

Most Israeli's today have no right to the land they live on. They are actually not from the middle east historically. Most jews today are not jews of the bible, but ashkenazi jews that converted to judaism around 700 A.D. Later they claimed they deserved Israel after WWII, even though their ancestors were not from there. Now people still support them in the western nations even though they slaughter palestinians and take their land (that they have no right to). Before you say this is a conspiracy theory it was first put out in a book by a nobel prize winning author and backed up by DNA research recently showing that most 'jews' were not of middle-eastern descent. I don't advocate hating the ashkenazi jews, but they did take land they had no right to and then killed the palestinians who did have a right to it.
Nothing is more anti-semetic than zionism...

reply to post by getreadyalready


how about we leave the muslim countries out of this and their crappy ways
This is about Israel and palestine,

/Issue at hand is whats happening in that area not their neigbours/

It doesn't matter if the Jews have no right to the land. Neither do the Palestinians.

Most of Israel was a deserted waste land not so long ago.
The leaders of the Palestinians like Arafat was not even a Palestinian.

If the Jews were not there they would have had someone else they wanted to exterminate.

It's all a big hoax kept alive by the powers that be.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


considering Jewdisum is a Faith and not a Race.
just like Islam and christinity, unless your being racist and saying Jews are only people of a faith that are imbred?

i do agree with the bigger picture part

Originally posted by illusive man
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

how about we leave the muslim countries out of this and their crappy ways
This is about Israel and palestine,

/Issue at hand is whats happening in that area not their neigbours/

Fair enough, but I think most of us laymen consider Palestine and Muslim as the same thing. The funds, and the weapons come from those larger countries. Also, when someone says that Israelis want to "exterminate" Palestinians, the statement kind of applies to Muslims as well. Israel would probably prefer to exterminate all of their neighbors and vice versa.

But, in the interest of keeping a thread civil, I can see why you would want to leave all of that out, but it is probably a moot point. The fanatics from each side will eventually rush in and take over, and I apologize if I was one of the first. I was actually kind of excited about having a chance to agree on one point!

reply to post by getreadyalready


fair play.

But remember Palestinians are of two Faiths Islam and christianity,
also Most Movements started as None Religous but national.

i dont care about faiths and would Like Religion kept out of this

if people want to talk about evil Jews,Muslims, christians and the man in the sky
go do it in some other place

(not aimed at you seeing your last part of your statement but anyone else who wants to bring in biblical crap into the topic)

reply to post by illusive man


As I recall, Jews are only Jew if there mother was.
Judaism is a faith. Jews are a race spread out in the world.

I'm not a racist unless someone thinks it's racist to even give a group of people there own box.

What I meant was that in that region of the world people seem not bothered to kill each other even without a reason.
And...
Usually killing and/or war are only beneficial for a few. The ones in power.

People don't start wars. Governments do.
Unfortunately people are easily influenced and because of that we our selves are to blame for creating the possibility.

If this is because of stupidity or a natural reaction, I don't know.

All I see flashing by when I read something like the OP.
Interviews where Jews as well as Palestine people say they lived in peace and good order with each other. As neighbours. All of a sudden this changed.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


its indirect racisum,
since you have jewish converts and its highly (very unlikely) that every person of the jewish faith was jewish along their ancesters.

i dont group to gether or consider people of diffrent faiths as a Race of their own.

Race to me is skin colour and so on not what one believes in.

reply to post by illusive man


I do not think it is racism to point to a single group of people.

My use of the word Jew is because they are said to be descendants of the 12 tribes of Jude.
The rule for someone to be a Jew ( Only through the mother )means you can be a Jew without faith.

People convert to Judaism are called a Jew because of it. It does not make them a Jew.

Have I mentioned faith had anything to do with it ?

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


you dont have to mention Faith
Jewdisum is a faith

unless you believe that the world was created in 7 Days
and people of the jewish faith appeard out of thin air

reply to post by illusive man


Your 100 % right Judaism is a faith.

Faith on the other hand is not required to be a Jew.

The followers of Judaism are called Jews.
Then there are Jews which are Jews because of their genetic origin.

These Jews are just jews even if they became Christian or Muslim they would still remain a Jew.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


i sense me and you will be going in circles
with you and me seeing two diffrent things,

agree to disagree?

reply to post by illusive man


of course On the next time we meet.
I could ask for the answer. I one of the members has a Jewish background.

What do you say ?

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by illusive man

 

of course

On the next time we meet.
I could ask for the answer. I one of the members has a Jewish background.

What do you say ?

i would still refer to you to your ethnic background,
and the circle would contunue lol

Originally posted by illusive man

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by illusive man

 

of course

On the next time we meet.
I could ask for the answer. I one of the members has a Jewish background.

What do you say ?

i would still refer to you to your ethnic background,

and the circle would contunue lol

I'm sorry I made a mistake. I meant to say. I know someone here Jewish.
I'm not a Jew. I'm just your average Joe.

I'd like to go in circles by the way.

What makes you have this opinion then ? About the Jews.
I could be wrong, it's a long time ago I learned about Jews.

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
I'm sorry I made a mistake. I meant to say. I know someone here Jewish.
I'm not a Jew. I'm just your average Joe.

I'd like to go in circles by the way.

What makes you have this opinion then ? About the Jews.
I could be wrong, it's a long time ago I learned about Jews.

lol , circles are fun
my opinion of jews is the same as everyone

Jews can be black, white, carcasion, asian and so forth, like all other people of diffrent faiths.

so hence why i will never refer to someone who is with the jewish faith, their own race. apart from the Human race

Originally posted by illusive man


Jews can be black, white, carcasion, asian and so forth, like all other people of diffrent faiths.

so hence why i will never refer to someone who is with the jewish faith, their own race. apart from the Human race

From your point of view, I agree.

I'd like to say I believe their are no different races.


Sadly, reality learns us that it is not. Everything gets it's own box.

But as I said.
Think away faith . The people we are talking about all share the same genetic characteristics. ( for example. a profound nose is common )
It's normal to see in a race ( a group of people with the same origin and regional roots )

That's why I say it's also a race on it's own.
I'm the last one to put boundaries on humankind, which obviously are dividing us. Even then a box isn't so bad because it easy to name some things or groups that share common features. We ourselves are responsible to use it in a negative or positive way.

Edit to ad.
The indirect racism is almost always sustained and continued by the group (box) itself or by goody two shoes who want to make up for the past.

[edit on 14-3-2010 by Sinter Klaas]