Tesla: science discoveries

Originally posted by kr0ss
so he's still in control after all?
but you didnt answer my real question, can you tell me where you got that info from?
not that i'm questioning it, but i need to see some kind of evidence with my own eyes.
i'm new in this forum by the way, and this is the most interesting forum i found. the more i dig, the more questions i get. i started researching about tesla in my free time and it's taking me in several different ways.
i wanted to send you a u2u but i haven't got 20 written posts yet so i couldn't, but i have a few questions for you whenever you have the time.
thanks

The answer you seek is, in my opinion, he made it up.
So don't bother.
This was the post, not mine:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Check this Tesla craft video:

Two Foos in one appears a lot in these daytime UFO videos. There are no G forces experienced by the crew or else they would be dead. So no dead people from Foos means they survived. Still if a human crew how does one cope with going sideways all of a sudden even if no Gs experienced. Side 'ropes' on a Triangle craft might do it but the all around saucer has to do it best. The two electrostatic light emissions must be from some side by side landing gear covers. Tesla airships and Towers forever

ED+: Something like this stay away from:
www.teslapress.com...
Google: Lyne Tesla UFO free energy and the net should do OK
for Tesla research besides the tesla.hu pages I check out here.


[edit on 3/17/2010 by TeslaandLyne]

At age 75 Tesla announces a pure mathematical explanation of the ideas
of which Einstein has attempted to perpetrate on us with the help of the
Illuminati.

1931-07-20: Tesla at 75

www.tesla.hu...

On the occasion of his 75th birthday, Tesla talked about new
developments. "I am working now upon two things," he said. "First, an
explanation based upon pure mathematics of certain things which Professor
Einstein has also attempted to explain. My conclusions in certain respects
differ from and to that extent tend to disprove the Einstein Theory ....My
explanations of natural phenomena are not so involved as his. They are
simpler, and when I am ready to make a full announcement it will be seen
that I have proved my conclusions. "Secondly, I am working to develop a
new source of power. When I say a new source, I mean that I have turned
for power to a source which no previous scientist has turned, to the best of
my knowledge. The conception, the idea when it first burst upon me was a
tremendous shock. "It will throw light on many puzzling phenomena of the
cosmos, and may prove also of great industrial value, particularly in
creating a new and virtually unlim¬ited market for steel."

All we expect now is perhaps watch our steel makers and see if
Tesla technology is at use.
And who said Tesla didn't do math.
Also it may seem that Einstein still didn't get any respect from Tesla.

Where have all the Tesla notes gone.
Long time passing.
Los Alamos Oppenheimer Library is Bill Lyne's guess.

reply to post by TeslaandLyne


About the G-force and the way the crew copes with 90degree turns is explained by Bob Lazar here
www.youtube.com...
at 5:00.
You do agree that Tesla used to have visions and that he could visualize and build machines in his mind prior to actually physically building them right?

Edit:
where are the Sources for Tesla's unknown aircraft you mention in your sig?
and im sorry, i guess my linux notebook repeated the post.

[edit on 17-3-2010 by kr0ss]

reply to post by TeslaandLyne


About the G-force and the way the crew copes with 90degree turns is explained by Bob Lazar here
www.youtube.com...
at 5:00.
You do agree that Tesla used to have visions and that he could visualize and build machines in his mind prior to actually physically building them right?

Originally posted by kr0ss
reply to post by TeslaandLyne

 

About the G-force and the way the crew copes with 90degree turns is explained by Bob Lazar here
www.youtube.com...
at 5:00.
You do agree that Tesla used to have visions and that he could visualize and build machines in his mind prior to actually physically building them right?

There is no wave reversal.
The ship moves by moving to a location in the ether.
Tesla said his coil made sound waves in the ether and is never reversed.
So a switch must make the ship go back and forth.

I agree on whatever visions were talked about in Tesla's autobiography.
ED: There is no quotes in what Tesla said, it is a summation of
research so that will not be in the quotes by Tesla download.

[edit on 3/17/2010 by TeslaandLyne]

Originally posted by kr0ss
reply to post by TeslaandLyne

 

About the G-force and the way the crew copes with 90degree turns is explained by Bob Lazar here
www.youtube.com...
at 5:00.
You do agree that Tesla used to have visions and that he could visualize and build machines in his mind prior to actually physically building them right?

Edit:
where are the Sources for Tesla's unknown aircraft you mention in your sig?
and im sorry, i guess my linux notebook repeated the post.

[edit on 17-3-2010 by kr0ss]

Profile page two has all these links:

Some useful links:
Sources for Tesla's unknown aircraft
Tesla Research
UFO:TGSED
UFO Photos
curl E = dot B
Have no expectation about Tesla
Pub abt 1993, how the UFO got here.
Channel T&L
JFK II
JFK JR
Ether Physics
JFK Fetzer
Science Denied
T&L at play

Tesla's aircraft:
pritchardschool.com...

ED: In going back I used last post and did not see the Edited post.
ED+:
There is no quotes in what Tesla said in above post, it is a summation of
research so that will not be in the quotes by Tesla download.

[edit on 3/17/2010 by TeslaandLyne]

TeslaandLyne i have one more question for you, if you would be kind enough to answer.
(actually i have tons of questions but i'm refraining myself from bothering you more)
what do you think really happened to tesla in the end? was he killed intentionally or was it an accident, and what happened to his documents, his work?

Originally posted by kr0ss
TeslaandLyne i have one more question for you, if you would be kind enough to answer.
(actually i have tons of questions but i'm refraining myself from bothering you more)
what do you think really happened to tesla in the end? was he killed intentionally or was it an accident, and what happened to his documents, his work?

Tesla was born in Smiljan, Lika, Austro-Hungary (now Serbia), in 1856, and died Jan. 3, 1943 in New York City. An early biography, Prodigal Genius, the Life of Nikola Tesla, by John J. O'Neill, was initially published three times in November, 1944. In case you are wondering, the three publishings in the same month were not due to landslide sales at the bookstores, but rather to O'Neill's having been threatened and censored by the FBI, and forced to republish several times because of their deletion and censoring of material which to this day is still classified. It was odd, given Tesla's repeatedly unsuccessful efforts to get the attention of the war department, met with ignorance and shoddy treatment. It was not until after it came to their attention in 1942, that the Nazis were building flying saucers and other 'fantasy' weapons based on Tesla's inventions, that the U. S. Government became so concerned

Tesla died in 1943.
Were agents at the hotel after his death to gather up the labs or
perhaps before as Lyne might suggest.
Taking one side or another many ideas can be given.

lyne4lyne.tripod.com...
See rest of page for where Tesla's labs are.
Lyne thinks von Braun brought the lab from Ohio to Los Alamos.
(this from other Lyne writings or communications such as public boards)
See also FBI source document:
www.scribd.com...
ED: Read further down after Tesla's explanation of radiation and his
July 11, 1937 equipment announcement:

That time never came. In less than six years, his death occurred in the presence of two FBI agents and a German nurse, and the Nazis had had his plans under active development since as early as 1936.

[edit on 3/25/2010 by TeslaandLyne]

Originally posted by kr0ss reply to post by TeslaandLyne About the G-force and the way the crew copes with 90degree turns i

The crew experiences no G force.
This can be our only assumption or a lot of crashed saucers would show up.
Tesla said he ship was stable in wind and storm.
Wind and storm go around the ship or are controlled in some way.
We do not know the science of the ether.

The Tesla coil operation in a ship holds on to the ether and moves
through it. Thats the way things are shaping up on that theory.
Tesla gave clues but if he had projects going in Germany how
smart were they. The highly active pulses must draw in forces.

I don't think we know much about the science of space or gravity
as I hold Tesla was our first space scientist.
And perhaps only as I can only wonder how Tesla found 50x the
speed of light particles and a Sun with 250 million volts on it.

The Oppenheimer Library in Los Alamos is assumed to contain the
bulk of Tesla's secret work. Copied and distributed perhaps to
cartels or those seeking to understand the science. It seems unlikely
they would be destroyed although there was a forestry department
woodlands burn off that got out of control. Can't say there was any
danger.


ED: Tesla death discussion:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
try a scenario, see if it works


[edit on 4/1/2010 by TeslaandLyne]

Do you have a fast link on information about the tesla coil?
Thanks for keeping showing info, keep up the good work. i think you're the person who knows more about tesla since himself and lyne.

Twin turbines used for counter reacting forces:



From:
US 112 1927-10-04 223 915 1928-01-03 1655 114 Apparatus for Aerial Transportation

www.tesla.hu...
this page
www.tesla.hu...

Still used in helicopters today as Tesla had to improve his aircraft.

I don't want to take away from Tesla or Einstein, but I consider the greatest genius since Newton to be James Clerk Maxwell.

en.wikipedia.org...

Most people could not tell you who Maxwell was; he is actually the person who figured out what light was, including that the speed of light is constant. This was way before Einstein.

Without Maxwell's hard work, the theories of relativity could never have been formulated. Einstein considered Maxwell to be the greatest genius since Newton, and had a picture of him on his wall for a while.

Another cool thing about Maxwell -- some of his work was actually lost! Yeah. Although he is famous in engineering circles for the FOUR "Maxwell Equations" (describing light and electromagnetism) there were actually TWENTY equations, which were considered superficial and "too mystical".

www.fixall.org...

So I think Tesla is overrated, and Maxwell is underrated. We need to give credit where it is actually due, IMO.

There are those who also claim that Nikola Tesla “knew nothing about physics”, etc.
But I ask them to name another scientist for whom it can be said that “the
contents of his safe, two truckloads of papers and apparatus from his hotel
room and laboratory occupying a whole floor, and another 75 packing
crates and trunks in a storage facility, and another 80 large storage trunks
in another storage facility” (say FBI papers released under the FOIA, 252
pages) have been concealed by the government for over 66 years to date,
since Jan., 1943. Not one page of this huge quantity of documents and
apparatus has been declassified since 1943, excepting a couple of steamer
trunks of “historical” documents (150,000 pages) which were released to
Tesla’s Yugoslavian heirs which represents the document collection of the
present Tesla Museum in Belgrade

www.scribd.com...

Maxwell down to Einstein were suppressed especially where the ether
or Tesla's 'medium' is concerned.
Velikovsky got nowhere with Einstein because Einstein could not budge
sworn to secrecy about the ether.
Reich talked to Einstein and got fingered out.

Tesla was totally suppressed as much as was possible and is still being
suppressed actively.

But what have we learned about sound or pressure waves in the 'medium':

Fusion is defined as a mass increase.
So where does the mass come from.
Alpha particles becoming Helium with electrons.
Tesla explained radiation and noted the mass increase of the Suns.
We understand Tesla's discoveries in a not to full explanation by
those who read Tesla's work and give us fairy tales .

All the created charges drive the planetary momentum.
Thus explosions on the Suns create ether pressure waves for the
expanding universe.
Light is a sound wave in the ether so the Red Shift is fully explained.

Tesla discovered cosmic radiation, 250M volts on the Sun, 50x speed of
light particles.

Tesla the only 'ether' scientist , the only space scientist the only
'natural' scientist.

The 'ether' drive of Tesla's aircraft is fairly well understood now and
might be able to be experimented with successfully.
The pulsing from the wire coil pulls the craft about.
Beams can be focused with a half spherical termination.
I have never seen the set up but is apparently simpler than high
voltage setups people call the Tesla coil.
A high voltage high frequency generator run from turbines feed
a one loop electrostatic induction to a cone or flat coil of wire.
The exact length of the coil is perhaps the natural free vibration
oscillation that is four times the generator frequency.

See the Colorado Springs Notes for the coil operations.
Tesla never gave out explicit instructions as he himself kept
much of his work secret until 1914 which we get reports of
a turbine sale.


In Tesla's time AC was known and in operation in Europe as Faraday
had demonstrated the principle years before.
So for Tesla to set up the AC system was a snap.
What Tesla did with his money and electricity is use electrostatic power
on illuminated gas bulbs as detection devices.
Eventually lighting up the air to various degrees including lightning.
Metallic plate suspension is identified in FBI papers.
That was bad for the denial people who apparently acted to take the
file off the FBI download page and is now at scribd in various forms.
So Tesla has to be denied on all points.
Lets hear it for Tesla and what he did, oops we can't, its all locked
up for the elite to tell us how smart they are in discovering things
meant for Tesla and avoiding free energy parts.
There is more than AC.
Even going to high voltage (Tesla: any potential) using the same
method as the aircraft drive perhaps for a death ray in 1940.
The same method since before 1900.
Atom smashing voltage that put pressure in the 'medium'.

Tesla made generators that would put the AC out of business with
the biggest his Tower and a three metal submarine generator used
in Germany (see "Pentagon Aliens") and radiant energy (see Tesla's
"Radiant Energy" patent) and the use of ether waves for the Foo of
Germany if "Pentagon Aliens" is correct in that regard as well.

Are UFOs a problem are conspiracies a problem.
All solved by Tesla for years to come as the prize of the elite
will never be let go.

Expect the same old story from now on.

1933-11-02: Tesla 'Harnesses' Cosmic Energy
see title under Tesla section at:
www.tesla.hu...

Asked whether the sudden introduction of his principle would upset the
present economic system, Dr. Tesla replied, "It is badly upset already." He
added that now as never before was the time ripe for the development of
new resources

Does Obama need Tesla now.
Nah.
Not with the ever present scientific amnesia on Tesla.
There may be hints of the collection of this power in the so called
radiant energy patents of Tesla.
Look for the bulb.
I have seen the photos of the bulb.
My dad said he made one.
I looked at it and said it didn't look like a bulb.
A solid piece of metal in the shape of a half sphere.
You can see it in the patent.
There is no power attached to the bulb.
A beam is sent to the collection plate and the voltage on
the plate is measured.
That is the only way you know the bulb is working.
The powered bulb is for sideways movement of Tesla's aircraft.
Was dad going to set up a cosmic generator in the basement.
Is the bulb a very high frequency energy focusing device especially
for 50x the speed of light particles Tesla found.
The ether pressure waves from Sun explosions still ionize the
air around us and many books show how to have fun with static
electricity.
However any results big enough might be hidden from us.

If we recall some of Tesla's announced discoveries in the preceding
postings we might place a few together and ponder why society
has put Tesla aside and some part of society has kept his discoveries
to themselves.
Let us assume Tesla's great discovery documentation is as clear and
as detailed as his Colorado Springs Notes and have been copied and
distributed to the handlers as well as locked in the Los Alamos
Oppenheimer Library for safe keeping.

Tesla made mention of a 300 mile per second aircraft he was
building, thats a million mile per hour vehicle or 1.08 M mph.
Now who would ever accept such a claim.
Not even today.

This is why 9.3 M mph (50x speed of light) particles found by Tesla
coming from the Sun are also unacceptable.

I doubt things have changed. But who is to know.

The voltage on the Sun propelled the particles and voltage
propels Tesla's craft and that is why I think he gave such a
number.
Tesla 'making any potential possible' thought he could propel
a metal craft with 1/9 th of the voltage on the Sun.

Hey TeslaandLyne just wanted you to know this is the thread i always come to check everytime you update it.
And Your posts are the reason i first got to ATS, when i started researching about Tesla.
Today i saw a documentary about life on Mars (which I don't believe) and they talked about Tesla a bit. They said he was SURE he had received signals from inteligent alien life and that he said that NOTHING can be faster than the speed of light.
I think it's sad that they neglect all his work, as, for as far as I know, he always said that every celestial body (planets, natural satellites, stars etc) emmited radio signals, and not ALIENS, and it is also obvious he knew there were particles that DID travel faster than the speed of light.
I should've contact the guys who made the documentary and tell them to come to this thread and get their facts right...

You can check the words and dates of what Tesla said to make
sure as the phony Tesla stories are from day one and none pay
attention to the actual Tesla documents.
The O'Neil biography was reviewed several times by the FBI
according to Bill Lyne to wipe out the circumstances around his
death but search the document for electron.
Chaney was the next book that has the Sun voltage correct
and seems also not to deal with all his documents.
Seifer must have a few anti Tesla approved stories.

Tesla didn't want to disclose radio or natural generated detection
from Earth or planets from what I figure. I figure it was close to
his gravity theory and secret aircraft propulsion and his wishes
to keep it secret seem to be continuing.

Alien promoters have to be anti Tesla and don't think they would spend
the time to the contrary theory when its too easy and profitable to go
with the alien flow established through years of the Tesla cover up.

Tesla said 300 miles per second so that is one million miles per hour
or 1.08 M mph to be exact.
What do think about that.
People like Bill Lyne might wonder about that statement.
Bill thinks atmospheric flight would take less than one million volts.
Bill stopping by various tech groups, got that comment once before.
Also we can't tell if the UFO can operate in outer space but perhaps
at one million volts I think there might be a chance.

So we might have a space ship after all but where do you go for a
new Earth and how do you build a planet unless you read Velikovsky
and learn how the Creator put some finishing touches on Earth.
Since the Illuminati can seemingly be the cause of some of the worlds
woes they would continue their craft here and elsewhere.

So we are stuck here doing our own research to review science and
stories we can hardly believe.

This might have been looked at before but here is where some
people might get earthquake control from:
1935-07-11: Tesla's Controlled Earthquake
www.tesla.hu...

His experiments in transmitting mechanical vibrations through the earth
- called by him the art of telegeodynamics - were roughly described by the
scientist as a sort of "controlled earthquake." The rhythmical vibrations pass
through the earth with almost no loss of energy, he said, and predicted the
system in time will be universally adopted, since it furnishes an "unfailing
means of communication." He asserted: "It becomes possible to convey
mechanical effects to the greatest terrestrial distances and produce all kinds
of unique effects of inestimable value to science, industry and the arts." The
invention could be used with destructive effect in war, he said, by exploding
bombs thousands of miles away which had been equipped with apparatus to
receive the vibrations.

Yeah too bad they neglected to tell us they heard it from Tesla so
we can give it all a big laugh.

No one makes the Tesla wave not even HAARP because the the only
thing to make the Tesla wave generation is his aircraft or ether flier
or UFO if one cares to go there.

So Tesla is not mentioned for good reason as his way of making DC
from AC produces the pressure wave. A fleet of saucers might do
the job by proper placement in hover over a period of time since
the same wave is used for all of Tesla's inventions.

High voltage made even higher and sent into one direction in
pulses that causes phycisal vibrations might cause an earthquake.
The high voltage makes Radium, ozone, fertilizer, radiographs,
pressure waves, Death Rays and the ether controlling vehicle may
not be too far a stretch as all is concealed from us making the
horde of Tesla discoveries the source of the answers for the
unknown.

How about making water come up and or magma combine to cause
a volcano.
We know things go up under the saucer.
Moving ground water upward seems a cinch for a UFO in hover.

Tesla's radio discoveries has been supplanted although they sound
good.

Waves Go Around World.

As the general knowledge of this subject seems very limited, I may state,
that even waves only one or two millimeters long, which I produced
thirty-three years -ago, provided that they carry sufficient energy, can be
transmitted around the globe. This is not so much due to refraction and
reflection as to the properties of a gaseous medium and certain peculiar
action which I shall explain some time in the future. At present it may be
sufficient to cell attention to an important fact in this connection, namely,
that this bending of the beam projected from reflector does not affect in the
least its behavior in other respects. As regards deflection in a horizontal
plane, it acts just as though it were straight. To be explicit the horizontal
deviations are comparatively slight. In a proposed ultrashort wave
transmission, the vertical bending, far from being an advantage, is a serious
drawback, as it increased greatly the liability of disturbances by obstacles at
the earth's surface. The downward deflection always occurs, irrespective of
wave length, and also if the beam is thrown upward at an angle to the
horizontal, and this tendency is, according to my finding, all the more
pronounced the bigger the planet. On a body as large as the sun, it would
be impossible to project a disturbance of this kind to any considerable
distance except along the surface.

from
www.rastko.rs...

Read on he doesn't mean curved space.

Prodigal Genius

Electron mentioned 71 times, don't think we ever heard Tesla's
version.

The "brush" in Tesla's tube was a beam of electrons. The electron,
however, had not yet been discovered. Nevertheless, Tesla gave an accurate
description of its nature, demonstrating the remarkable accuracy of his
interpretation of strange phenomena. So sensitive was this electronic beam
that a small horseshoe magnet an inch wide at a distance of six feet caused
movement of the electron beam in either direction, depending on the position
in which the magnet was held.

To many lines to quote so must see if I ever made some notes.