BUSTED!!! Sarah Palin's Family uses Socialized Medicine

Originally posted by tommy_boy
That's Ronald Reaganism, and not even.

Go even further back...Barry Goldwater Conservatism! While there are things about Reagan that I enjoy....I really despise how the Right has evoked his name as some all powerful entity and end all to Republican thought and policy...

As far as the OP,.....these threads are used for the stars and flags in my opinion...especially when the OP says they have no opinion in the matter.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


I agree. Thank you for that contribution.

Originally posted by ownbestenemy

Originally posted by tommy_boy
That's Ronald Reaganism, and not even.

Go even further back...Barry Goldwater Conservatism! While there are things about Reagan that I enjoy....I really despise how the Right has evoked his name as some all powerful entity and end all to Republican thought and policy...

As far as the OP,.....these threads are used for the stars and flags in my opinion...especially when the OP says they have no opinion in the matter.

Oh, I think I clearly defined my opinion as it is apparent on the front page. It doesn't mean that I must defend it.

I gain more joy in watching others engage themselves and their minds. The fact that people are responding to this thread, means that they are thinking about the information. That's enough for me.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

I understand the frustration, however, I am only the delivery boy here. And, as the delivery boy, I also have the right to interpret the story the way that I choose. Try as many of you might to hold me responsible, I am not the author of the article.

I am not asking you from the perspective of who wrote the article. I am asking you why you find this gossip relevant.

I may not write the article, but if i participate in spreading the article, then I would say that I was somewhat complicit in the message, right?

As well, while i may not be accusing someone, tricks like, "GW Bush doesn't molest children, DOES HE?" achieve the same result.

You can answer or not answer. But your response of, "I just wanted to provoke conversation" smacks of trolling. Without clarification, I am inclined to interpret that to mean, "I am just stirring up the mud so i can enjoy the mayhem."

If you were presenting relevant and FACTUAL information (i.e.: without the anti-Palin spin), then you would be promoting conversation.

Originally posted by tommy_boy

soooo... Who didn't do their Homework?

YOU, t b!

How Sad 4 U!

If you'd read my post, you'd see the BBNA RECEIVED NO HHS Mother and Child, or IHS Medical FUNDS!

Have a grown up read the word to you and explain what they mean to normal, unbiased, sensible people.

Fuels Reduction Projects BIA $175,000
ACWA ADEC $25,575
Aging Title VI DHHS $135,500
Aging Title VI Part C DHHS $50,940
Child Welfare Services DHHS $24,753
Family Preservation DHHS $42,078
Family Violence Prevention DHHS $85,658
Head Start DHHS $1,311,973
TANF Federal DHHS $1,216,441
Economic Development DOC $59,000
Marine Mammal Data Research DOC/NOAA $48,822
Vocational Rehabilitation DOE $400,000
Stop Violence Bridge DOJ $100,000
EPA - General Assistance EPA $300,000
QWC Co-Management EWC $20,000
Fish Monitoring Program (Partners) USF&W $95,985
Migratory Bird Co-Management USF&W $25,500
Curyung Tribal/FWS/TNC Project USF&W $10,200
Partners - Social Scientist USF&W $149,280
Bristol Bay Walrus UAF $8,580
CITGO Fuel Donation Program CITGO $540,292
Subsistence Harbor Seals USF&W $33,348
Medicaid Services State $56,438
Migratory Bird Harvest Surveys USF&W $32,775
Kvichak Watershed USF&W $20,150
Togiak Survey Project USF&W $48,008
Togiak Smelt Project USF&W $12,344
Bering Sea Sub Network AIA $48,008
Road - Planning, Design, Construction Denali $200,000
Total $5,276,648

How sad when people make fools of themselves with lies and misinformation.

You and the OP and the article's lying biased source should all look before you leap.

"responsible for arranging health care services for Native Americans (American Indians and Alaska Natives)."

BBNA Consortium, Inc. are not the only "Alaska Natives!

There are Inuit and other native/indigenous peoples who might occasionally receive a crumb or two. You need to learn how to search instead of smear.

I'm with you, dub... Let's deny ignorance...

Sorry, but it's WAY TOO LATE for you.

How sad.

Deny ignorance!

jw

[edit on 23-2-2010 by jdub297]

[edit on 23-2-2010 by jdub297]

Originally posted by Carseller4
If it was her son, I might have a problem.

Grandson....I don't think it's a big deal.

Sarah Palin pays more than her fair share of taxes to cover this.

It's the ones that don't contribute and keep having kids that I worry about.

And you all call Obama the elitist? WOW - that is a very selfish thing to say.

Hell, i will never see a dime of my Social Security that i'm paying into...and neither will you. So why do you choose to strike against something that benefits everyone, and graciously accept something that benefits only a few?

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


I think I provided my beliefs and answers in my first page. I'm sorry this isn't sufficient for you, but, it pretty well tells the story.

And you can accuse me of trolling. That is your inherent right. However, it doesn't necessarily mean that its correct. When the media presents a story to you and gives their slant on it...is that qualified as trolling? Or, is it qualified as disseminating information to the public?

Well, I've merely done the same thing. I've given out information that was not previously available on this site. And if I hadn't posted it, would you be reading it right now? Would you be aware that the story even existed?

Just a thought.

[edit on 23-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

I feel sorry for Bristol. Her mom runs for VP and now she has the entire MSM watching her every move because she is the daughter of the woman they hate. These two people are individuals, Bristol is not responsible for Palin's actions and Palin is no longer responsible for Brisol's actions. Anyway why does anyone outside Alaska even hate Palin in the first place? What did she do to you through her actions or policies? If she was VP or President I would understand it but that didn't happen. Is it just because the media told you to hate? That is a scary thought.

[edit on 23-2-2010 by Jacob08]

Originally posted by Snarf

Originally posted by Carseller4
If it was her son, I might have a problem.

Grandson....I don't think it's a big deal.

Sarah Palin pays more than her fair share of taxes to cover this.

It's the ones that don't contribute and keep having kids that I worry about.

And you all call Obama the elitist?

WOW - that is a very selfish thing to say.

Hell, i will never see a dime of my Social Security that i'm paying into...and neither will you. So why do you choose to strike against something that benefits everyone, and graciously accept something that benefits only a few?

Excellent reply Snarf. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Star from me.

Originally posted by tommy_boy
Crickets from the Peanut Gallery

Originally posted by tommy_boy

Originally posted by jdub297
The story is false. The BBNA Consortium, Inc. is a non-profit corp. and did not use HHS money for Bristol's care or Tripp's.

People who parrot lies as truth make fools of themselves, discredit the nonest discourse, political and otherwise, on ATS, and have zero credibility.

Deny ignorance!

soooo... Who didn't do their Homework?

A Link to the Government Accountability Office website, and an article that provides, in part, a description of the duties of the IHS, one of which is that they are:

"responsible for arranging health care services for Native Americans (American Indians and Alaska Natives)."

Services that are offered "as funds permit."

I'm with you, dub... Let's deny ignorance...

Lol....I was about to post the same info, as I knew jdub's research was too precursory. BTW who has the native blood in order to be eligible for these native services, Bristol or Levi and what %?

Even without the CORRECT info from the GAO, it was a losing argument, jdub proposed. If his/her assertion were true...it would mean;

Bristol Palin under and with legal counsel, knowingly and willfully filed and submitted false documents into the courts of Alaska and therefore, should be prosecuted under Alaskan law and be held to said punishment(s).

You do realize those documents are obtained( even though the Palin's tried to seal them) from courts right?

I really don't care about this. I read it a few days ago and thought of posting it here, but didn't feel the need. Her other hypocrisies have made the headlines recently and solidified that image well If it's true.....maybe Bristol can plant some of the virtues of socialized medicine into her mother's brain. Nah, won't happen.....

left, right....carry on..

reply to post by Jacob08


Out of curiosity, where was that sympathy when Obama was being crushed for words that came out of his former pastor's mouth?

It is the same principle in fact. But, in Obama's case, he had no blood relation to the person who constantly made those links and destroyed him in the media.

Personally, I'm not an Obama fan, but, I see many people making excuses for Palin when she's wearing the same shoes that Obama was. And those are political "shoes," that I am referring to.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

I think I provided my beliefs and answers in my first page. I'm sorry this isn't sufficient for you, but, it pretty well tells the story.

And you can accuse me of trolling. That is your inherent right. However, it doesn't necessarily mean that its correct. When the media presents a story to you and gives their slant on it...is that qualified as trolling? Or, is it qualified as disseminating information to the public?

Well, I've merely done the same thing. I've given out information that was not previously available on this site. And if I hadn't posted it, would you be reading it right now? Would you be aware that the story even existed?

Just a thought.

[edit on 23-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Fair enough.

Rereading your OP, i cannot argue with it one bit. My apologies.

reply to post by Connector


Beautifully stated. Its important that people know the truth about these politicians.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


No need to apologize. I thank you very much for checking out this thread and the opinions that you have kindly put onto it.

If we don't agree, that doesn't mean that we aren't all looking for the same thing...the truth.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
This sort of implies that she has a choice. If you're paying into the system and not using it when you need it arent you just a sucker?

Now, if she really has a choice she wouldnt be forced at the barrel of a gun to pay into the system as she is. As we all are.

Show me the papers to sign so I can exercise my choice and opt out and retain my earned wages. What's that you say? No such paperwork exists? Hmmm....

Of course, wiggle worm an excuse

I am piss poor, liberal and make A CHOICE to suffer all on my own, your response is a cop out.

So which is it bud, capitalism or socialism?

Isn't the point of conservatives going against the whole idea a principled one?

So where are the principles?

If your post stands, are we going read you bashing others who partake from the SAME SYSTEM for the SAME reasons you cited?

Or is Sarah special?




edit: even if dubs posts pan out, the fact still remains that many of you are being overt hypocrites in regards to the OP

JR




[edit on 23-2-2010 by Janky Red]

[edit on 23-2-2010 by Janky Red]

reply to post by Jacob08

What did she do to you through her actions or policies?

Do you even watch TV ??

As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border.

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil

"They are kooks, so I agree with Rush Limbaugh. Rush Limbaugh was using satire ... I didn't hear Rush Limbaugh calling a group of people whom he did not agree with 'f-ing retards,' and we did know that Rahm Emanuel, as has been reported, did say that. There is a big difference there." –Sarah Palin, attempting to rationalize why it's okay for Limbaugh to use the word "retards" but not Emanuel, FOX News Sunday interview, Feb. 7, 2010

In short - she's dumb. She dumbs down her followers into believing anything she says, creating the closest thing to the walking dead that we've ever seen in this country.




And more over - i can't stand her because you value HER stupidity over what is better for OUR country.

It's sickening. I consider stupidity to be the worst enemy of mankind.

So that being said - any friend of my enemy, will never be a friend of mine.

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by Jacob08

 

What did she do to you through her actions or policies?

Do you even watch TV

??

As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border.

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil

"They are kooks, so I agree with Rush Limbaugh. Rush Limbaugh was using satire ... I didn't hear Rush Limbaugh calling a group of people whom he did not agree with 'f-ing retards,' and we did know that Rahm Emanuel, as has been reported, did say that. There is a big difference there." –Sarah Palin, attempting to rationalize why it's okay for Limbaugh to use the word "retards" but not Emanuel, FOX News Sunday interview, Feb. 7, 2010

In short - she's dumb. She dumbs down her followers into believing anything she says, creating the closest thing to the walking dead that we've ever seen in this country.

And more over - i can't stand her because you value HER stupidity over what is better for OUR country.

It's sickening. I consider stupidity to be the worst enemy of mankind.

So that being said - any friend of my enemy, will never be a friend of mine.

Did sarah provide the portions you quoted herself?

sorry native american medical coverage is not the same as socialized medical coverage... not at all...

statements would be true, if it applied to Sarah and her kids. The way I read the post is, that this is about Bristol and Levi and Sarah’s grandkid.
Question, Is Bristol and Tripp covered under Mom and Dads health insurance? If she is , then it’s a “WTF” situation. If not, then Bristol is trying to do the best that she can with limited resources (money) and I don’t begrudge her using state provided health care.

[edit on 23-2-2010 by lilwolf]

Originally posted by Connector

Lol....I was about to post the same info, as I knew jdub's research was too precursory. BTW who has the native blood in order to be eligible for these native services, Bristol or Levi and what %?

And you would have been just as wrong.

Here's what I explained to tb, and now you:

How Sad 4 U!

If you'd read my post, you'd see the BBNA RECEIVED NO HHS Mother and Child, or IHS Medical FUNDS!

Have a grown up read the word to you and explain what they mean to normal, unbiased, sensible people.

Fuels Reduction Projects BIA $175,000
ACWA ADEC $25,575
Aging Title VI DHHS $135,500
Aging Title VI Part C DHHS $50,940
Child Welfare Services DHHS $24,753
Family Preservation DHHS $42,078
Family Violence Prevention DHHS $85,658
Head Start DHHS $1,311,973
TANF Federal DHHS $1,216,441
Economic Development DOC $59,000
Marine Mammal Data Research DOC/NOAA $48,822
Vocational Rehabilitation DOE $400,000
Stop Violence Bridge DOJ $100,000
EPA - General Assistance EPA $300,000
QWC Co-Management EWC $20,000
Fish Monitoring Program (Partners) USF&W $95,985
Migratory Bird Co-Management USF&W $25,500
Curyung Tribal/FWS/TNC Project USF&W $10,200
Partners - Social Scientist USF&W $149,280
Bristol Bay Walrus UAF $8,580
CITGO Fuel Donation Program CITGO $540,292
Subsistence Harbor Seals USF&W $33,348
Medicaid Services State $56,438
Migratory Bird Harvest Surveys USF&W $32,775
Kvichak Watershed USF&W $20,150
Togiak Survey Project USF&W $48,008
Togiak Smelt Project USF&W $12,344
Bering Sea Sub Network AIA $48,008
Road - Planning, Design, Construction Denali $200,000
Total $5,276,648

How sad when people make fools of themselves with lies and misinformation.

You and t b and the OP and the article's lying biased source should all look before you leap.

"responsible for arranging health care services for Native Americans (American Indians and Alaska Natives)."

BBNA Consortium, Inc. are not the only "Alaska Natives!

There are Inuit and other native/indigenous peoples who might occasionally receive a crumb or two. You need to learn how to search instead of smear.

I'm with you, dub... Let's deny ignorance...

Sorry, but it's WAY TOO LATE for BOTH of you.

How sad.

Deny ignorance!

jw



[edit on 23-2-2010 by jdub297]

reply to post by Snarf


What are you talking about? I'm not a Palin supporter or even an American. I just don't understand the constant Palin hate threads and certainly don't think her daughter should have to suffer all this bad media attention because of the action of her mother or vice versa. You can't choose your family.

[edit on 23-2-2010 by Jacob08]