Have you considered the Republicans threw the '08 election to save the country?

Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire
The idea that you don't have to vote, or that your vote doesn't count, or that the results are always the same is an attempt to grab hold of the public's apathy and to basically keep them out of the game. The perpetuation of the ''it is all rigged and a one team scam'' idea is being used to weaken the resolve of the public.

This is a good point and well-written. Absolutely right on.

Originally posted by vjr1113
These elections are made into left vs right brawls to convince us that we are still in charge, although nothing has really changed has it?

Well, right now, this is a cop-out IMHO. Every day, you are in charge of your life. The election aside, there are drmatically-opposed options being debated and you don't want to be a player. The health care and global warming legis are two in the forefront that if adopted will provide the basis for control of every aspect of your life. Many people are working hard to stop these. And they haven't yet been adopted as law. Assert yourself!

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no, we are not moving toward fascism. we are moving toward communism and socialism. part of that particular trend requires the big guys have control over every aspect of the human being. fascism requires control as well but the type of control it requires doesn't include things like public schools with socialistic agendas. you have to actually look at all the evidence. if this is fascism, you coulda fooled me.

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So basically you have no idea what's going on, is that right?

Ok, let's catch you up to speed.

The GOP is currently running a propaganda campaign against Obama trying to paint him as a socialist/communist. Frankly it's not true, Obama just like many other leaders in Washington right now are Oligarchs, they are pushing for the Corporatization of America. It's not communism or socialism, its the corporate takeover of the USA.

If you look around you will see that it's true. "Obamacare", is corporate takeover of healthcare. Not government takeover of healthcare. The way the bill reads now, you will be forced to buy insurance from a health care provider. Does that sound socialist to you? It doesn't to me, that sounds like a corporation taking control of your life.

The privatization of what was social services, schools, mass transit, the governmental bailing out of banks and manufacturing, it's going on all the time. Far worse than any communist nightmare you have considered is the corporatization of America, where you no longer are a citizen but an employee.

Welcome to the hostile corporate takeover of the country.

I think the Republicans ran McCain because he was somewhat appealing to the left and they thought they needed something VERY different than Bush. They chose McCain because of his moderate views. Unfortunately, they then forced him to be Bush light and he lost the election.

Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire
The Republicans probably considered running a Black man, but also figured they would be seen as copycats and insincere for doing it.

Nah. That didn't stop them from getting a token black person to head the RNC. They DID copycat and Steele had no problem being used.

I even think Palin can draw in the strong female voter

Oh, yes. Strong women vote for people who share their genitals! That's a strong intelligent woman for ya!

The Republicans will appeal to the minds of the public instead of the emotions.

:shk: That's ridiculous! After watching politics for the past year, to think that Republicans have any interest in appealing to ANYTHING BUT the emotions is ridiculous! That's all they've got.

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what does the government own in a socialistic system? they say it's owned by the people but there are so many stipulations attached that it turns out it's not owned by the people, it's owned by the government, including industry. so what's the difference between a government that runs all the industry and government made of industries? to me, they are the same exact thing, just
packaged with different phraseology.

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Did you just call Steele a "token black person"?
I would not have expected that sort of statement from you.

And yes, the 08' candidates were strategically placed for a still to be determined reason. Amazingly, no one ever threw the dirt or any curve balls at Obama in an official capacity. There is certainly plenty to throw!!

Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire
I've been told McCain was not a great choice for the Republicans. Yet they ran him with Sarah Palin against what looked to be a very strong Democrat choice in Obama/Biden. Why?

I think the Republicans saw that the hard Left Democrats were going to take advantage of the Black population, the other minorities, and the wasted youth generations by running the Black man on a platform of extreme change. The Republicans probably considered running a Black man, but also figured they would be seen as copycats and insincere for doing it. What happened is that the Democrats really did get the jump on the people and the Republic. The timing was just right. It was the perfect storm.

So I think the Republicans decided to win the country by losing the '08 election. I think they decided to throw the election in order to allow the chaos to manifest and to teach the public a lesson about making the wrong choices in life. The Democrats are really showing their true colors now. They are really pushing hard for the International Socialist/Communist agenda. Ultimately though I believe that Americans will see what has happened and will turn away from the Democrats and towards the Republican side. The way things are right now, the country is so strongly polarized that in order to win a party needs to convince the other side to not vote out of disgust. With Obama's record and his party getting smeared weekly in the scandal news it will be easy I think to convince the public that they made a wrong decision in '08 and maybe even switch sides. I even think Palin can draw in the strong female voter who sees that Obama and the Democrats really were just liars and corrupt Internationalists. This is why Palin is always adamantly pro-military and pro-American. The Republicans will appeal to the minds of the public instead of the emotions. And in doing so they will get the pendulum to swing back the other way.

What! The "wasted youth generation" ? Um, maybe the Democrats won because of the failed 8 years of Republican office?
Maybe cause McCain wanted 4 billion dollars in tax cuts for an oil companyt which he held great stake in?

Yes, yes, the republicans will sway the minds of Americans, in their manner of saying no and objection to every possible solution, yes you are so correct.
Palin was a selling puppet for the Republicans, basically a point they could sell from with having a women vice president, however this backfired in that many voters saw she was chosen just as a selling point and were swayed from their vote.

Yes, the Rebuplicans have always held reverse pshycology in their favor!
"let them think about what they've done"


Pshhhhhhhhhhhh.

Originally posted by jibeho
Did you just call Steele a "token black person"?
I would not have expected that sort of statement from you.

Yes. That's what I said. I don't know why you're surprised that I said it.

Tokenism refers to a policy or practice of limited inclusion of members of a minority group, usually creating a false appearance of inclusive practices, intentional or not. Typical examples in real life and fiction include purposely including a member of a minority race (such as a black character in a mainly white cast, a woman in a traditionally male universe) into a group. Classically, token characters have some reduced capacity compared to the other characters and may have bland or inoffensive personalities so as to not be accused of stereotyping negative traits. Alternatively, their differences may be overemphasized or made "exotic" and glamorous.[1]

Amazingly, no one ever threw the dirt or any curve balls at Obama in an official capacity.

WHAT?!?!?!? Where have you been, son?

Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire

Originally posted by Scarcer
IMO aside from congress, the presidential left vs right is a sham. This apears to happen every election (that ive been alive). The losing side always has a jackass as a candidate.

I don't agree with you, but thank you for bringing this up so I can explain something in this thread.

I believe the idea that the Left and Right are really on the same team is a scam. They are not on the same team. There is a very real battle taking place for the control of Earth via the strongest political, financial and military forces.

The idea that you don't have to vote, or that your vote doesn't count, or that the results are always the same is an attempt to grab hold of the public's apathy and to basically keep them out of the game. The perpetuation of the ''it is all rigged and a one team scam'' idea is being used to weaken the resolve of the public.

If you really think about it, there is a complex spectrum of ideas and beliefs presented to the public, and the public is often overwhelmed by these things. Sometimes the way forward is to simplify something, and maybe even present it with a bit of a lie, in order to get people to understand. That sounds hokey, sure. It is. However, the two sides are definitely not playing for the same end goal. They use the same tactics and they take sides on the day's topics, but they are ultimately working towards two very different end scenarios.

I agree with you on this, Cabaret Voltaire. Is is two separate factions. Oh, I do believe it was one great plan at the start, but since that time many have come to realize the truth is that Love and Service to Others is the key, the only key, to being an evolved human being. The "Illuminati" of old is fractured now, as is the CIA and NSA. Some are all about controlling the world, others are against this. I have personally talked to two older men who admit working for the CIA. Both told me they got tired of policy, and wanted a different way. I think we are seeing a break up of the New World Order in general.

In D.C. it is no different. It makes no difference what political party a person is, they change parties all the time, as we have seen. No bid deals and contracts, and under the table pay-offs are a way of life, and politicians are only interested in two things....how much for the people in their area, the constituents, and how much for their own bank account? To remove these people we will have to go after their money, they accounts and holdings. Public Servants do not work to rip us off, they work to SERVE us, don't they?

I keep hearing about the Tea Party. I hope this party, or another one like it, is able to effect a coup on the Senate and Congress in the election cycle. This is what we need, new faces and new ideas. We need people up there that we can see clearly, that have their finances posted on the internet for all to see. We need an end to the financing of the NWO, the Federal Reserve Bank and the IMF. Seize their assets and gold, and stocks and certificates and land holdings, and our new government of and by the people can do the daily dealing of the United States. Thoughts, anyone?

I truly believe that the Republican party was well aware of the economy swirling the bowl more in advance of when things went south. It would further appear that their smoke and mirrors game of hiding that from the general public was well planned, too.

Nothing better than a great big group of fat rich white guys sitting around and blaming the economic mess on the black feller . . .

Despite a considerable number of somewhat enlightened people around these parts, the electorate is predominantly . . . . well . . . [to put it nicely] not exactly well versed in the political system and will believe what they're told by the mainstream media, which is generally bought and sold with advertising dollars used to promote half truths and sensationalism.

My guess is that come the next election, the Republican party will come roaring back because a) the majority of voters will have forgotten the Republican folly and b) they will still be fixated on 'what have you done for me lately' focussed on the Obamacratic party.

Meanwhile, it's all such a sham and game because they're all the same and it is all a process of deluding those huddled masses into thinking that their votes actually matter and that one or the other party really have the general publics' best interests at hand.

So, the Republicans will go dance naked around an owl, the Democrats will have their star-studded beneifit concerts to raise money for God knows what, the Senate will go on being divided and Congress will continue to be the stagnated swamp-butt self-aggrandizing body that it has always been . . . the sun will come up and go down and the world will continue to spin.

For the most part, a majority of folks will be none-the-wiser.

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I've heard from an inside source that the Republicans were trying to court Condoleezza Rice well before it became apparent that Obama would get the nomination. She flat out refused.

I am still scratching my head with Palin, it appears to me she was picked 1st for being female and 2nd for how good she looks on camera, or maybe it is the other way around.

Originally posted by jrod
I am still scratching my head with Palin, it appears to me she was picked 1st for being female and 2nd for how good she looks on camera, or maybe it is the other way around.

Nope. You had it right the first time. When Hillary Clinton lost the primary to Obama, the GOP saw an opportunity to grab some of her support if they got a female to run with McCain. The GOP thinks women supported Hillary because of her genitals, not because of her positions on women's rights and issues. They didn't pick just any woman, though. They picked a good-looking one, thinking they might sway some of the men from the left, too.

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but we all know why hillary, sarah and geraldine bought the deep six, don't we.

my new favorite video to prove something fishy is up, is when michelle is on THE VIEW, and they are discussing if there's really prejudice against women in politics, considering what happened to hillary. after admitting that there is sexism in politics, michelle looks over at the black lady next to her, and says something to the effect of "hillary paved the way for MY DAUGHTERS to break thru the glass ceiling." then she smiles knowingly at the black lady next to her, who returns the smile and actually chuckles a bit. the whole thing was very conspiratorial.

obama and michelle and many other " black israelites" believe white people are going to be killed off in a socialist revolution in which the socialists manage to drum up enough hate for white people amongst minorities, that they will be killed across the usa and inevitably, the planet, in a massive genocide, the likes of which this planet has never seen. at the socialist level, this equates to removing christians from the planet. from the black israelite people's level, it equates to removing Lucifer from the planet, and from the rest of the minorities level, it equates to removing capitalist pigs and war mongers, from the planet.

when it's all done, the socialists will turn against the black israelites that helped them achieve their agenda, and just like with stalin's bolsheviks, hunt them all down and kill them because they and their bloody jehovah religion, killed the white people. it's gonna get much worse before it gets better.

reply to post by pumpkinorange

Okay, your choice is to just give up, surrender.

No. You have the choice to leave or stay. The problem is, TPTB have a global hand, so any type of resistance is futile. People, we are stuck. The only thing you can do is move to an isolated place or a place where TPTB have less influence.

The OP is correct: in the past year, there have been some dramatically opposite proposals and policy positions put forward. I do not recall when choices were so dramatically different from one another. If you think not, you haven't being paying attention. Those who have acted to forcefully express their opinions to their reps may be staving off the worst for now. It's not over 'till it's over.

The OP is incorrect. His premise hinges on D’s & R’s being different, but they aren’t. How many members of the congress hold seats with the CFR or TLC? How many members of senate hold seats with the CFR or TLC? These aren’t hypothetical or rhetorical questions, if you have the time, I’d really like you to answer these questions.

It’s over.

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When whites murdered, raped, stole and lied under the veil of "Christianity" what was that? Socialism? Communism? Imperialism? When our great white leaders took the religious cause on their shoulders and bombed sovereign countries/states were they doing the work of The Lord?

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not sure what that was but it wasn't good, obviously.
killing people, isn't good.

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So you aren't sure what it is but you're sure about Black Israelites, socialism, Obama, etc? How does that work?

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well i must admit, some of that is based on my understanding of their interpretation of bible prophecy.