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Originally posted by SaturnFX
athiests/agnostics sin, then we must deal with the consequences, make amends, take responsibility, and try to redeem ourselves not in a all seeing all forgiving supercasper, but to the people we wronged.
Religion takes away personal responsibility (not just christians).
Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by SaturnFX
I will just repost my original comment.
Matt 7:2-5 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged [if we judge with an evil heart or dark intent, His judgment of us will reflect it; if we judge nobly with honesty and justice, His judgment of us will reflect that, too], and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you [if we use extremes or exaggerations or other ignoble means, our judgment will reflect it and judging with fairness and compassion will garner likewise in His judgment of us]. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye [point out his sins, "minor" in Jesus' example here] and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye [our own sins, even and especially those we will not admit, magnified by our selective blindness]? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' [tell him of his "minor" sins] when all the time there is a plank in your own eye [that there are greater or the same sins in our own lives which we do nothing about or think we are above]? You hypocrite* [pointing out the sins of others while by pretense thinking of ourselves as above sin], first take the plank out of your own eye [sincerely ask the Lord for forgiveness and learn and live the Truth and Light by His Word], and then you will see clearly [be in a righteous position] to remove the speck from your brother's eye [to judge and to help him out of his bondage to sin]." At Galilee, the Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan, Jesus was talking to the multitudes gathered there after hearing of His message and of His healings to beseech them to not become like the pharisees and hypocrites who think they are above sin.
I was using license, to show hypocrisy.
Cast the first stone.
edit to fix tag, why does it always do that?
[edit on 2/2/2010 by endisnighe]
But it seems that history is finally catching up with them.
Originally posted by pumpkinorange
Originally posted by SaturnFX
athiests/agnostics sin, then we must deal with the consequences, make amends, take responsibility, and try to redeem ourselves not in a all seeing all forgiving supercasper, but to the people we wronged.
Religion takes away personal responsibility (not just christians).
Are you really thinking clearly about this?
Faith in God requires personal responsibility.
You say atheists/agnostics must deal with the consequences, make amends, take responsibility, etc.
But why? Why "must"?
You don't believe anyone created you or set up a standard of laws. So your actions are as good as you say they are. You are your own judge of what is good or bad. So why do you believe there is anything about which you must "accept consequences, make amends, take responnsibility"?
Dude, you don't believe there is a God; so why do you feel compelled to act in contradiction to your beliefs?
Originally posted by pplrnuts
I believe Karma is the most appropriate and proper belief.
Originally posted by Raist
reply to post by pplrnuts
Also the fact that even terrible sins can be forgiven shows how compassionate God can be. You bring up those that suffer do to another’s sin, but they have the same option of being forgiven as well. Suffering on earth is nothing compared to what suffering in an afterlife will be like. But that is for another thread.
Raist
Originally posted by Raist
reply to post by BillfromCovina
Again that is for another thread, which is not what this thread is about. I believe God is compassionate, you obviously do not. This thread is not about that though.
Please do not try to side track or derail my thread with an issue that has nothing to do with the OP.
Raist