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This is very true, it takes a mature approach with the right intentions. This is what people fail to see...
First off, yes, to gather anything truly useful from these substances, you need to have a disciplined approach to it. Just like any method used by psychonauts, such as meditation, sensory deprivation, sleep deprivation, or fasting. You can not cultivate anything from these without discipline.
Exactly...and it's easy for someone who doesn't understand this because they've never experienced an alternate state of consciousness, to claim that all drugs are evil and bad things that do no good...and anyone who tries to explain this is a whacked out druggo...
Dropping acid your first time won't teach you much, but what it can do is weaken your ego, destroy cultural values you had, and open your physical senses and your mental senses to phenomenon not typically seen in the normal consciousness.
You seriously have some brilliant ways of explaining complex ideas...this is the exact problem...the focus on the finger and fail to see the real purpose and meaning which hides deep within all religions...
People fixate on the finger. They believe that by keeping a sharp eye on the finger it will lead them to the moon. What they neglect to see is that, between the two extremes, the finger and the moon, is a great distance, and THAT, is the true purpose of religion that has so horribly been neglected. The pathway the finger tries to present.
I know exactly what you mean...everyday my belief that we can change the world before it goes to far is lessening...fading away...and I'm on the edge of giving up hope...oh so close...but I try my hardest to keep a flame inside me alight...something inside me doesn't want to let go...maybe those people who state some of us came here to help this world are correct...I lean more towards that beleif all the time...but maybe I'm just looking for a reason to justify my existence here...why I stay and hold onto the hope of change...but I'll tell you now...if nothing has changed by 2012, or a few years after 2012...any last hope I have shall surely melt away...
And what with the utter contemptuousness the masses hold towards such topics, the belief that we can change things before they completely manifest has been dwindling in me more and more, and thus making research and speculating on such topics less of a priority for me. In fact it is my belief that ultimately the true conspiracy and goal of the NWO is to lessen the ability of people to seek out the truth of EXISTENCE in favor of this narrow minded physical reality we currently see manifested before our eyes.
I can say I've gone a far way in destroying my ego...because I no longer fear death in the slightest...and in fact will welcome it when the time comes...
One thing ego death, on my first experience, did for me was destroy the fear of death. I've seen things I can't quite describe and obviously have no proof of through my experiences, but prior to ego death, when I tried to imagine what death was, an overwhelming fear overtook me. Now, that fear no longer manifests in me. It really is a great feeling, and now if anything I will welcome death when it comes to me, because it allows me to move on. At the same time, I embrace this life as it allows me to move ever so closer towards the truth of it all.
Yep...and it's this extra alone time that allows one to free their mind and remove themselves from this fast paced world where the mind gets no time to sit back and think about things...just as I was describing the bum who watches the world flow by while he has all the time in the world to think and ponder about things...it's this type of separation/meditation that truly moves the mind into a whole new way of viewing the world...
The strange paradox here for me, relating to this topic, is that this disdain towards intellectualism has helped me nudge towards these ideas I have, and being cast away onto the fringe of society has only given me a lot of time to cultivate myself and explore my mind.
During this period, in the United States, Tesla's fame rivaled that of any other inventor or scientist in history or popular culture,[3] but because of his eccentric personality and his seemingly unbelievable and sometimes bizarre claims about possible scientific and technological developments, Tesla was ultimately ostracized and regarded as a mad scientist.
Generlizations galore. This is not an argument.
He stated that Christians often seem to be very insensitive, and unconsciously heartless, the way the speak holier than thou condemning others and telling them where they're gonna go.
More generalizations as an absolute.
He continued, meanwhile they act like they are the compassionate ones...and what he is getting at here is often very true about Christians...
They?
they act as though they're better than everyone else...
So you only need worry about christian attitudes if you are scum. Are you scum Chaos?
they act as though they are above other people, the scum of the world who will rot in hell..
He states it! OMG. That is deep.
it's like a snotty exclusive club he states.
are u dumb? Christians go completely against that u idiot get some counseling u sound like one of those crazy homeless people
I think you need to hit the pipe again, buddy.
Huh? I think it's pretty apparent when you worship Satan. It's kinda hard NOT to notice.
god your an idiot
So where is the explanation? You state it like his explanation was absolute!
He goes onto explain how much bloodshed and corruption exists because of religion, when it supposedly works towards the opposite of death and destruction.
No, it sounds like good advice. As you lean on your own understanding now, you are falling over.
The bible states we must be unthinking robots and never even begin to question the LORDS position "Lean not unto your own understanding" it states. IDK about you, but that sounds like the request of an evil and manipulative overlord who's scared he'll loose power if people start exerting some independent thought.
Then I suggest you stop betting on what is happening and actually find out. Considering you may be placing your life as the stake on which you place your bets.
I bet ALL those replies were made by Christians...but seriously...some of those replies are so pathetically ignorant I feel like killing myself just so I can escape this moronic planet which constantly corrodes away at my soul...
No, that is your assessment of his actions. You are now presenting that as an absolute so as to establish grounds from which to launch an attack on those of an opposing view.
this guy is obviously trying to discuss a perfectly rational idea, produced by utilizing logical analysis, and with an open mind.
How do you know? Is religion the only form of doctrine or dogma. How did you establish that what he presented was not informed or inspired by any other philosophy inspired by abstracts.
He also doesn't actually believe in religion, and tries THINKING FOR HIMSELF...
thus enabling him to see religion for what it is...people are just so attached to the idea that God must be the "good guy" because it's been etched into their minds since birth, and they couldn't possibly try to exert some independent thought because they'd rather believe what everyone else tells them...this guy was simply making unbiased analysis with open mind and without including any false, and irrational preconceptions, and he gets flamed hard.
He stated that Christians often seem to be very insensitive, and unconsciously heartless, the way the speak holier than thou condemning others and telling them where they're gonna go.
He continued, meanwhile they act like they are the compassionate ones...and what he is getting at here is often very true about Christians...
they act as though they're better than everyone else...
they act as though they are above other people, the scum of the world who will rot in hell..
it's like a snotty exclusive club he states.
Did you ever stop to think that it is the internet. He was on a forum full of anonymous posters. Did you even consider that the guy could have been conversing with 10 year olds? Maybe it was a Bum who said, you "sound like a bum".
One person says he sounds like a bum? Did they ever stop think a bum might actually be onto something?
(from wiki)
When Tesla was 41 years old, he filed the first basic radio patent (U.S. Patent 645,576). A year later, he demonstrated a radio-controlled boat to the US military, believing that the military would want things such as radio-controlled torpedoes. Tesla claimed to have developed the "Art of Telautomatics", a form of robotics, as well as the technology of remote control.[62] In 1898, he demonstrated a radio-controlled boat to the public during an electrical exhibition at Madison Square Garden. Tesla called his boat a "teleautomaton".[63] Radio remote control remained a novelty until the 1960s
Originally posted by CHA0S
reply to post by EMPIRE
He may have generalized a little bit...not all Christians are the way he describes...but from what I can see...the VAST MAJORITY of them are PRECISELY how he describes...and he was in fact examining everything, not just the attitude of Christians, but what the bible teaches and how it has effected the world...and he WAS doing it without a emotional attachments and biased opinions...this guy was merely putting forward an out-of-the-box idea which I fully agree with...if there is such a thing as Satan, Christians are surely following him without even realizing it...just remember this: If you start telling me I'm going to burn in Hell for eternity...if Hell does exist...you're the one going there...if you even begin telling me I'm living my life totally wrong, and need to change how I live...well...you can just go to Hell...
While I do agree that the comments may have been unwarranted, the guy is no deep thinker as he is making generalized statements about Christians and their religion. Deep thinkers don't generalize but examine everything critically, without emotions and attachment, and then present a compelling case/thought.
[edit on 22/1/10 by CHA0S]
It maybe wasn't the most deep argument...but it was certianly a "different" way of thinking...he proposed something that most Christians would instantly reject and call him crazy for even proposing it...when it was perfectly rational...if you can look at what he was saying and without any previous attachments to a certian belief system...it does make sense and he isn't a crack-pot like those people instantly suggest...I'm an agnostic...I believe a God(s) could exist...because it's just as ignorant to state God does exist as it is to state he doesn't exist...so you see, I'm veiwing this with an open mind, and I'm not trying to do what an Athiest does and attack Christians, stating there is no such thing as God, and it's insane to believe such a thing. I'll just quote one last thing I said so you can get a better understanding of what this thread is about:
I thought you said he had a DEEP argument.
.a deep thinker has the ability to question and explore these out-of-the-box concepts and ideas...whether they are right or wrong makes no difference...it's the fact that they have the brain power to seperate themselves from the pack of sheeple, and stop being a mindless robot, and try to think for themselves...but when they do this, it immediately makes them crazy, like us conspiracy theorists who have the ability to question the Government and our supposed reality...we realize not everything is as it seems and exactly how we are told it is...but this makes us crazy people to everyone else...because they don't have the ability to exert such a degree of independent thought and question the truth about things...they believe everything is truly as they are told and the Government would never lie to them...it's a neat little package where they are never wrong because they know it all...so anyone who challenges them and offers out-of-the-box ideas are crazy...when it's just not true...they just have the ability to think a little deeper about things and think for themselves...