Do you think the US is headed for a Civil War?

I am just going to kick this out there. Do you think the US is headed to it's second Civil War?

Rather, do you think the US will have a civil war between now and December 31st of 2020.

It's my opinion the last three Presidential elections were rigged and I see no reason to think the 2012 election won't be.

What I can't decide is if the war would be Republicans versus Democrats or the Feds versus the States. The Feds can't really fight a war without some heavy hitting states on their side.

But on the flip side, I find a hard time picturing my fellow Americans rising up to do anything except to go to McDonalds or Wal-Mart.

I really think elected officials should be limited to two terms only at any current position. But voters very often will vote for someone because of the sound of the person's name, without any clue what the candidate's politics are.

You don't need to fix an election when people that stupid are voting.

I think the US is headed for a major internal conflict. But I am not sure exactly what it will be or how it will play out. Any takers?

Tough call.

Citizens vs. Government? I dont think we would have a chance. You cant win that war. Even if your crazy neighbor has a stockpile of AK47s.

Other than civil war, I do see a mass boycott of certain products. Like oil.
You can only oppress people financially for so long. Look up pictures from the great depression, people were MAD.
I would like to see a riot like that. People refusing to participate in the rat race.

Yup I'll bite.

Civil War eh.... no. I don't. Thats ridiculous and anyone who hopes for it probably has spent far too much time on the survival boards and would like to use their survival meals before they expire and their investment for "SHTF" is lost.

Between liberals and conservatives? Republicans and Democrats? "Feds" and states?
Thoguh there is quite a correlation toward population density and political orientation people are going to believe what they believe and always be dispersed politically throughout the country. As a liberal I can assure you liberals really wouldn't fight anyway...I'll just make a snarky blog about my opponant whilst I sip my latte and listen to my Jack Johnson Cd.

Term limits are being talked about by some libertarians at the moment as a means they believe should be used to "shake up" our elected representatives.

Reality check:
We do have term limits...they're called ELECTIONS.

Like our founding fathers intended..

reply to post by InertiaZero


I'd have to agree a conflict of fed vs the people would be far more likely. Republican and democrats are bascially on the same side, so its more of just a question of when the spark falls on the powder keg...

In the words of Bob Dylan,

"It's not dark yet but it's getting there..."

I think to get the nwo, they need to bankrupt america, usa.

What does that mean for you guys, who knows.

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So should we bankrupt them first?

Andy1033, I think we have the same internet schedule. You always seem to be on the same time of day

It starts when they come for the guns... and may get really close if they should try to heavily censor the Internet... Rockefeller hates the Internet..the peons get too much information with it.

You'd have to take away their beer, sports, and Americans Idle in order to get any reaction at all.

I think we may be seeing it ALOT sooner than 2020, try 2010. I say this because new data released(I don't have the website just look it up) shows that there were so far 450,000 people fired in december so far. This will be an L shaped economy we have plummeted quickly and aren't getting out of this anytime soon. American's we will want jobs as unemployment dries up, the states will need funds to fill their major budget deficits, the military will need more money for the surge in Afghanistan, corporations still won't lend and will just use up the easy money, the people will be unemployed along with growing poverty, hunger, and disease spreads like wildfire. We are looking at a convergence of so many disasters coming together all at once, we are looking at a slow on great depression, it won't actually be as bad as the great depression but it will feel like it because it will last much longer. My guess is we won't start getting below 7% unemployment until mid decade, our economy might grow but only around 1% or less along with some quarters dropping and others growing. Some parts of the country will be doing better than others so we will see lots of migration and in the areas receiving the migrants there will be resentment towards their fellow Americans. 2010 will be a bad year, and it will only be getting worse.

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I forgot to mentions about a war with Iran, that might get Americans back to work making weapons, tanks, and planes. But that will make our deficit only so much worse until China drops us and we enter hyperinflation. So we will have a war with Iran(possibly a world war), a growing backlash in America against the war, for employment, for less government and lower deficits, to stop immigration, to stop free trade. It will only start to get worse when we enter 2010. Let's just hope I am wrong and it all returns to sunshine and roses.

Many of the local Militias in the US have been preparing for an internal conflict for many many years. Unfortunately most members of these Militias are a little on the disturbed side.

I hope the US doesn't end up in another internal conflict because, that would make it too easy for outside parties to either make a buck off of the waring parties, or open the country for potential hostile takeover by outside parties as well.

War is never a good thing, but internal conflicts only harm your own citizens and though there may be some good to come from it, does that good really out way the lives that would be lost.

I have family that was recently in Iraq due to being assigned there as part of their tour of duty, luckily they made it back alive, but I work with people who have lost family members in the fighting there, so I have seen how war effects the families of those fighting in the wars.

Sometimes war is a necessary evil, but I hope in the case of the US it will not become a necessary evil.

I think it is important to distingish between what kind of "war" we may be talking about.

Insurgency/Private militias in the United States? Yes, these are already here. Some are controlled by private companies and it doesn't take much more than an unacceptable loss of revenue for the ceos of these companies to order their troops to do contrary to what the government has contracted them to do. These troops are highly trained veterans of shooting conflicts. Some of these troops have previously been trained in counter-insurgency for the Special Forces, which is based partially on how to live and operate in a hostile country while teaching indigenous forces to take up the fight for themselves. Indigenous forces(READ: disenfranchised American populous).

So, long story short, yes this type of civil war is very possible especially when so many middle-class americans are jobless, losing homes and have little prospects on the horizon. Loss of future/hope=resorting to drastic measures. This "Civil War" would not be faught by "traditional" forces for MANY years. An excellent analogue for what could happen in the US is the way the Chinese Communist forces faught the Nationalist forces; Fabian strategy at its best.

The speed at which the first American Civil War progressed will never be seen again. Our troops are too diverse in their geographic origins for North vs. South or East vs. West (or any geographically based resistance) to ever happen again. Without a clear base of operations no traditional military would have a much of a chance maintaining supply lines, thus the ability to sustain an armed resistance would fail.

So, any civil war we may see in the United States will be based on terrorism, insurgency and small unit harrassment tactics.

Originally posted by leftystrat
You'd have to take away their beer, sports, and Americans Idle in order to get any reaction at all.

lol, plus porn and drugs.

I seriously doubt the american people like europeans today are upto much.

reply to post by InertiaZero


Some military members, especially a majority of the young enlisted, would probably be on the civilians side!! Trust me... I know this as fact!

-AN

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If an internal conflict develops in the US; it will not be a civil war. It will be a race war against people of color by a large section of white racists that view all Mexicans as illegals, and Blacks as useless welfare cheats.

How else could an enemy be defined and recognized otherwise? In a civil war who or what would be the opposing sides?

God help us!

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At this point, I don't think it would be much of a war. What resources could the government call to bear against the people? All of the solders are in Iraq and Afghanistan, and 20 or 30 other countries fighting the NWO fake wars so they can make money from both sides. This began shortly before the Civil War, and if you do your research as I have, you will see that every war since that one was brought on by bankers. America is broke, and has no army guarding the homeland. now would be a really good time. and people, we do not need to start a shooting war! All we have to do is quit participating in their games. Refuse to pay any taxes, even sales tax. Surround the offices of the local politicians while they are at "work" and refuse to let them go home. Start a massive campaign against the IRS and get all of our money back. Seize the banks and their assets and give it over to the Treasury. Surround the Washington DC beltway and let no one in or out, no trucks, no nothing. If helos come, threaten to shoot them down if they attempt to land. I would say in about a week of this, the States could begin to form a confederation and begin anew. It would not take long at all, and we would be surprised how fast other nations would back us.

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I must respectfully disagree.

It is true there has been much talk for the past 250 years of a race war; Native Americans vs. Colonists', Slaves vs. Masters, Blacks vs. Whites, Immigrants vs. Citizens. But, history does show us that any true Civil War is based on class status. Only once, that I can recall, in written history did a "Slave Revolt" turn into a true revolution; Haiti. That revolution was based on the thoughts which allowed Napoleon to fight all over Europe at the time, equality of man, so, it really wasn't a "Race War". Resources were stretched too thin, so, Haiti was to be free and Louisiana was to be sold. I digress...

The ultimate difficulty with a "Race War" is similiar to what you mentioned; who may be on which side? Example; I am white, I would never kill another human because the color of their skin color. I would fight to defend another person that is being persecuted for their ethnicity. Does that make me a collaborator or a Fifth Columnist? I am not an original in my thoughts, so there will be many more like me. This type of "War" is more likely a riot. The people in Rhode Island do not have the same feelings as the people in California. The people in Orlando do not have the same feeling as the people in Gainsville. The shallow feeling of racism is too localized to become a war.

How else could an enemy be defined and recognized otherwise? In a civil war who or what would be the opposing sides?
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Well, of course they'd need spiffy uniforms.
Then the major channels would make a reality show out of it.

Originally posted by Dookie Master
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The shallow feeling of racism is too localized to become a war.

You are probably right; it wouldn't be a war it would be a massacre much like what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany. Define the enemy, create hatred and fear, roundem up and killem.

You think it can't happen here? It wasn't that long ago that ethnic cleansing took place in Yugoslavia, Herzegovina and Bosnia.
A form of ethnic cleansing of a sort is happening between Israel and the Palestinians.

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