An open letter to ALEX COLLIER

Alex Collier is a fraud.....

I met him over twenty years ago. At that time he went by the name of Ralph Amagren.

In the late eighties, my friends and I attended Pleiadian/Billy Meier contact meetings where we met a man who called himself Ralph Amagran. Some of the meetings were held at his house in Malibu canyon, CA.

After a few months had passed, Ralph claimed to be a Pleiadian contactee. He seemed to be mentally playing the role of Billy Meier. As more time went on, the meetings’ members joked about him and wondered who Ralph was going to pass himself off as at the next meeting. But after a while his claims became spooky rather than amusing as we all realized he was not reality-based. There was even an occasion during a group meeting when he broke down sobbing while preaching how the “little gray aliens” (grays) have such a poor reputation but in actuality are just so “misunderstood”. He became so caught up in his delusions that we became uncomfortable in his presence and stopped associating with him. Shortly after our disengagement with Ralph, he was publicly discredited for plagiarizing all of Billy Meier’s “questionable” contact information.

My opinion as someone who has been around people with mental illness is that he exhibits signs of being a sociopath/schizophrenic. He dropped out of sight for a number of years before reappearing as Alex Collier, sole contactee for the Andromedians. You might have noticed in his early videos that Alex speaks with an accent that he didn’t have when he was Ralph. Over time he lost the accent.

Actually I’m amazed how far he’s gotten with his Andromedian fantasy.

Well that's it in a nut shell....

I’m sorry to be so blunt, but I’m very passionate about UFO subjects and have been involved in this field for many years. I have little tolerance for people who create and/or discredit UFO occurrences by manipulating the truth for their own personal gain.

:eace::

reply to post by buddha318


Alex eats reptilians and little childrens

Computer is dead.

Until fixed, Mask is unable to contribute or reply.

Merry holidays to you and your families.

You know, even though "Alex" can't "prove" his "claims", he still made a "fine" and "compelling" speech at "Camelot"s conference, "urging" us all to "fight" for our "future" and "freedom" and "resist tyranny" - and "sometimes" that's all that "really matters" - like "NOW".

"PS". Using "quotations" constantly - "Annoying"!

After reading ATS for several years and never becoming a member... I had to finally get on it for this one. Never did I think that the band DRK would be a valid argument for defending AC. This is one small step for ATS... and one giant leap for morons everywhere. My feeling is that AC is trying to get in a few words before some sort of real disclosure hits us. When the real facts start showing up guys like Alex will disappear... Just my thoughts.

But Mask is right... guys like this are bad for the movement even if 10% of the crap they're spewing is real. There are guys like Clif High (who I tend to believe more than people like AC) that make AC look like J.K. Rowling compared to J.R.R. Tolkien if we are looking at how well they tell their tale.

But just because he has a good loving overall story that we can try and hold onto doesn't mean we forget everything else. Does anyone remember Blossum Goodchild? She had a great loving story and seemed like one hell of an individual... But was wrong.

reply to post by Mr Mask


You absolutely are a closed minded 10% brainer unfortunately that is how ignorance and primitive people stay primitive. Why don't you read outside the box. And open your eyes this universe is infinite and full of many life forms so why is it hard for you to understand and process what Mr collier is talking about?

Originally posted by buddha318

I met him over twenty years ago.

Neither you, nor 'Ralph' can prove this, so lets just stick to things we can prove for ATS's sake...

Shortly after our disengagement with Ralph, he was publicly discredited for plagiarizing all of Billy Meier’s “questionable” contact information.

Again you offer no source for your claim(s). The same as Alex.

I have little tolerance for people who create and/or discredit UFO occurrences by manipulating the truth for their own personal gain.

That's interesting, considering Alex Collier has nothing to sell and there's no way to contact him even if you wanted to.

My own perspective (since neither your story, nor his can proven), is to simply digest the information without deciding on it one way or the other. IF what AC says comes true, then it will be revealed in time. If not, then he was wrong or delusional, and wasted 5 minutes of our time.

[edit on 28-12-2009 by NightVision]

reply to post by light2012


I would say that Mr. Mask has shown that he is open minded, uses more than 10% of his brain; his conclusion of Alex Collier was not derived from just one partial listening, but in fact by listening not only closely, but continuously for a period of time thereby giving Alex a chance to prove himself

Alex has shown himself to be somewhat unreliable, and possibly open to suggestion, he also has shown himself to be wanting of attention and admiration of followers. He has been shown to have come onto the scene and be proven wrong, only to return spewing the same things again.

Mr Mask does come off as somewhat brash, after seeing many of his post, and conversing with him I've determined that is his personality, he will give one a chance, but when one shows that the chance given is by all appearances unwarranted, Mr. Mask will say what is on his mind, he will not pull punches, he will be direct. Unfortunately many people take offense to that type of person, they shouldn't, but such is life.

I completely agree with Mr. Mask, even though I most likely would have tried to say things in slightly different words. Would you agree that even though Mr. Mask's words are somewhat rash, that you may have missed the most important part of his message, He did give AC a chance to prove himself, AC did prove what he is about to Mr. Mask and many others including myself. This conclusion was not brought about by any one single fact, but by multiple and seemingly repeated errors on the part of AC.

Originally posted by Pappa_Bear
I would say that Mr. Mask has shown that he is open minded, uses more than 10% of his brain; his conclusion of Alex Collier was not derived from just one partial listening, but in fact by listening not only closely, but continuously for a period of time thereby giving Alex a chance to prove himself

Mr. Mask stated that Alex Collier claimed that Aliens were 'coming to invade and makes us into slaves'. This definitively proves, that not only was Mr. Mask not listening intently to the info. given, but was making false claims. This also proves that you have not read this thread in it's entirety.

Alex has shown himself to be somewhat unreliable, and possibly open to suggestion, he also has shown himself to be wanting of attention and admiration of followers. He has been shown to have come onto the scene and be proven wrong, only to return spewing the same things again.

Perhaps this is a valid perspective. Minus the 'wanting of admiration from his followers'. There's no proof this, nor of him having 'followers', nor any public contact info. for AC. You would have to be reachable for that to happen.

Mr. Mask will will not pull punches, he will be direct. Unfortunately many people take offense to that type of person, they shouldn't, but such is life.

Mr. Mask belongs to a blood-drinking, hockey mask wearing cult of mid-westerners called the 'Down River Killers' who condone rape thru their music and philosophy. Now tell me, who is more dangerous, Alex Collier, or Mr. Mask?

see:"My Sacrament"

www.downriverkillers.com...





[edit on 28-12-2009 by NightVision]

reply to post by NightVision


You might try actually reading the entire thread first, I have, every single post made, Mr. Mask makes it plain that he has listened to AC more than once, and I know I have, oh and AC has claimed that aliens are going to invade, try really listening to him or even just a little research my friend.
Mr.Mask did say in more than one post that he may be putting his opinion out there in the wrong way, but he stands behind it.

May I ask, do you hear what people are saying, or do you hear into what people are saying? there is a huge difference, one is actually listening, the other is based on you own perception guided by personal ideals, opinion, and beliefs.

I have my opinion on above question, especially since you wished to answer for another, and made statements in which you have no basis in fact, only opinion which are not supported by facts presented within this thread. Please take note: opinion is the keyword

Also here is a link to Alex Collier exerpts from 1996 which shows that Mr. Mask very well did some research.
Alex Coller exerpts

[edit on 28/12/2009 by Pappa_Bear]

well 1 thing he says that u cant eat gold or silver
i wanna eat gold man

reply to post by Gloster


Darn it man, there goes my new diet to test my get rich scheme
But in that he is right, you can have all the gold and silver you want, but if it's worthless other than a "pretty" it won't feed you or your family. But for barter will be okay, and you can only store perishables for only so long.

edit to add: How do you store your gold and silver if you are survival living, you would be very limited in what you could carry with you, as survival will carry the most weight.

[edit on 28/12/2009 by Pappa_Bear]

Originally posted by Pappa_Bear
oh and AC has claimed that aliens are going to invade, try really listening to him or even just a little research my friend.

What if the "aliens" already have invaded (infiltrated), and we already are their slaves?

This was the understanding I got from Alex's presentation. There are "bad" factions of ETs here already, and they plan to intensify their efforts to establish the "NWO" control grid. We don't have to worry about them "invading", cause they're already here!

reply to post by MajorDisaster


Well in that case I hope for their sake they keep hidden cause we got a secret weapon here in Florida
Hog Huntin in Florida, and I'm sure it'l work fer Alien huntin as well


[edit on 28/12/2009 by Pappa_Bear]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Night Vision is right about that downriverkiller business.

I went to the website & read all of the text, looked at the pictures & downloaded a couple of the music videos they've made.

Now..... I've been known to express myself strongly at times, but I can only categorise those music videos as violent, pornographic, foul-mouthed rubbish.

If that's where the op is coming from, then I'll stick with Alex......

.......& I'm no fan of Alex's!

[edit on 28-12-2009 by Maybe...maybe not]

Originally posted by Pappa_Bear

You might try actually reading the entire thread first, I have, every single post made, Mr. Mask makes it plain that he has listened to AC more than once, and I know I have, oh and AC has claimed that aliens are going to invade, try really listening to him or even just a little research my friend.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I was one of the first people to respond to Mr. Mask's ridiculous thread before you. Perhaps you should follow your own advice. He's made a complete fool of himself, and both of you appear too proud to admit the truth. Lets be honest here.

Lets be clear: I am not here to defend Mr. Collier. I am here to uphold a standard of debate. Not even the skeptics will take sides with you because u both make such poor arguments. Instead of directing the thread toward a common truth, people like u and Mask turn it into a circus: All serving to draw attention toward yourselves, instead. It's childish behavior. Take a deep breath and re-read your posts and Mr. Mask's.

I have my opinion on above question, especially since you wished to answer for another, and made statements in which you have no basis in fact

Please take note: I use actual sources. You don't. So lets leave opinions out of it and stick to the facts...

Your link makes reference to invasion, however it does not refer to any invasion involving Earth and the eminent threat scenario presented by Mask. You may want to try reading thru the links you post beforehand...


[edit on 29-12-2009 by NightVision]

I'm calling BS on this name calling because of the band that you are in!~ That's like hating on Larry Clark for writing 'Kids'... or saying that Justin Pierce (the kid who plays Casper in 'Kids') is a scumbag and you would never listen to his opinion in REAL LIFE. Movies are Movies... Music is Music... Entertainment is Entertainment!~

Ones creativity can't be used against him in a valid argument and point of view. Another great example is Trey Parker and Matt Stone... regardless of the cartoons they portray on television you know that they are REAL PEOPLE with real opinions right? I think any more discussion of what band you are in should head to another ATS topic as it has no relevance to your arguments.

The fact that AC is not in a movie, song, or story and trys to make his real life into one is the real topic of discussion here.

Why this thread isn't in skunkworks is the question?

Nothing new here - just another pointless topic...

Mods?

reply to post by NightVision


I'm sorry I completely fail to understand what it is I'm to have made a fool of myself about here: We both say that Mr.Mask has posted in a way that seem to go over the top, yet it still could be a very good thread otherwise.

Other than a blatant attempt to personally attack me, you have completely missed the point and concept in which I was trying to make:
Which is, Mr. Mask did not come to his conclusion from just one single episode of Alex, it was made over time, from listening and some research(how much we really don't know), (the following is my opinion)as for Mr. Mask personal interest- they should have no bearing on his opinion that was derived from his research for himself and any forthcoming debate about said particular topic(MHO).

Mr Mask could have done well by using different wording, even those that support his opinion have blasted the way in which he portrayed his opinion, as he also said, he could have found a better way, unfortunately he didn't though. Everyone has a different way to portray themself.

I have only attempted to show that Mr. Mask has apparently done some research in which his opinion has been derived. I did portray my opinion of Alex Collier as being much the same, but that is derived from my own research and study. As well, I did provide links that some statements asking for proof should satisfy, atleast to some degree (i.e. Alex never said an alien invasion in which we were to be made slaves) yet my links show that during the early years of Alex he did indeed say that an invasion was to occur and we were to be made slaves, these were only exerpts from Alex's statements, so to say that he was not talking about earth would only be opinion not fact as they are not in the entirety of the original context.

You presume too much or derive pleasure from attacking someone instead of debating opinion. I'm not sure if your reactions were knee-jerk, or just misunderstanding. Not sure how that is too make me a fool, as my perception of the information I have found is what has determined my opinion.