USA F-35 to be made availible to Israel

USA F-35 to be made availible to Israel

EXCLUSIVE-US pitches unique F-35 fighter jet to Israel 24 Nov 2009 03:01:01 GMT
Source: Reuters
* Jet would incorporate advanced Israeli systems, arms

* Lockheed Martin promises delivery in 2015

* Would not have Israeli electronic warfare system

By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON, Nov 23 (Reuters) - The United States has offered to add Israeli systems and munitions to a new U.S.-built fighter jet and deliver it to Israel by 2015, provided a deal is sealed in coming months.

Lockheed Martin Corp , maker of the radar-evading F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, would tie in Israeli-built comm

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EXCLUSIVE-US pitches unique F-35 fighter jet to Israel 24 Nov 2009 03:01:01 GMT
Source: Reuters
* Jet would incorporate advanced Israeli systems, arms

* Lockheed Martin promises delivery in 2015

* Would not have Israeli electronic warfare system

By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON, Nov 23 (Reuters) - The United States has offered to add Israeli systems and munitions to a new U.S.-built fighter jet and deliver it to Israel by 2015, provided a deal is sealed in coming months.

Lockheed Martin Corp , maker of the radar-evading F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, would tie in Israeli-built command, control, communications, computer and intelligence systems for a unique version of the jet for sale to Israel, Jon Schreiber, a senior Pentagon program official, told Reuters Monday.

The United States also would integrate bombs that use an Israeli precision guidance kit called Spice along with Python 5 air-to-air missiles made by Israel's Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd., Schreiber said in an interview.

In addition, he said, Israel would get a relatively inexpensive path for hardware and software upgrades to add future weapons.

On the other hand, the United States does not plan for now to put an Israeli electronic warfare system aboard the F-35, which is in early stages of production.

"Some time in the future, if policy changes, or things change, that could change as well," said Schreiber, who heads the F-35 program's international program for the Pentagon.

Dropping plans for incorporating electronic warfare systems would be a significant switch for Israel, which bought modified U.S.-built F-15s and F-16s to incorporate such know-how.

The Pentagon and Lockheed Martin are eager to wrap up an F-35 deal with Israel, which is tentatively planning to buy an initial 25 F-35s in fiscal 2012 with an option for 50 more.

The single-engine aircraft, designed to avoid detection by radar, could play a role in any Israeli effort to knock out what it regards as the threat to its existence posed by Iran's nuclear program.

Schreiber said he met Israeli procurement officials in New York last week to discuss a "roadmap" for the proposed government-to-government F-35 sale.

The United States planned to submit its offer and prices formally in January, he said. Israel must approve this no later than March and reach a deal with Lockheed on integrating the Israeli weapons and other systems by June or July, he added, to buy in fiscal 2012 for delivery in 2015.

The Israeli defense ministry did not immediately return a phone call


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Can we in England have some too please?

Hope we can afford them still.

I'm sure Israel will be able to afford them with all the donations they receive from the US to pay for these - essentially giving them away! The US govt. loves Israel.

The jews in our government love Israel. There is absolutely no reason why we should give so much money, technology, and weapons to Israel. It's only creating an arms race in the middle east.

I'm glad the Pentagon stood its ground on this. Israel originally desired to have independent access to the source code so that it could unilaterally make comprehensive software updates. This was not just to add new Israeli hardware, but to reconfigure the way subsystems interact with the core processing unit to produce the fantastic results the F-35 promises. This would have given way way too much hard earned U.S. defense aerospace know how in the process. Now, essentially, they have to bring in all their hardware and software wish lists and wait for Lockheed/USAF to incorporate them into the F-35 FOR Israel. Primary oversight and control over new external and internal modification therefore still remains with the U.S.

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Originally posted by tooo many pills
The jews in our government love Israel. There is absolutely no reason why we should give so much money, technology, and weapons to Israel. It's only creating an arms race in the middle east.

The Jews in our government? Wow... you're extremely bright, aren't you?

It has nothing to do with anyone in our government being Jewish. I'm not going to explain to you why we support Israel, because obviously you should do some heavy reading yourself.

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They are our only ally in the region. Shouldn't they be the best armed? Combined we give more to Egypt and Pakistan. Are they allies?
Who are these Jews you speak of? Nearly every politician is Christian- in one variation or another.

There is 10+ countries getting the 35, the only difference is the USAF is getting the most advanced based on avionics alone.

My personal opinion, we should make the F-22 available to Israel, as well.

This is going to have the opposite intended effect on the Iran/Israel situation.

Lets not forget, Israel will use the F-35's offensively which will back Iran into a corner where a nuclear strike is their only option to ensure survival. They're not going to sit on their nuclear arsenal, however large or small it may be, while they get pounded into the ground with no way of retaliating against a flying target they can't hit with conventional defences.

America would be smart to take a step back and keep the arena as even as it can possibly be, where no one gets desperate.

so , why are the tier 1 ,2 and 3 partners paying the privilage of having there own countries systems added , when all you need is a pressure group to do the same thing for you?

Originally posted by sealteamsix

Originally posted by tooo many pills
The jews in our government love Israel. There is absolutely no reason why we should give so much money, technology, and weapons to Israel. It's only creating an arms race in the middle east.

The Jews in our government? Wow... you're extremely bright, aren't you?

It has nothing to do with anyone in our government being Jewish. I'm not going to explain to you why we support Israel, because obviously you should do some heavy reading yourself.

Plz just give one good reason why we support Israel.

Obviously you don't know how the country became to be.
Or how many people they displaced making their country.
Or how many other countries were upset with the making of Isarel.
Or how many nukes Israel has, yet they have not signed the same nuke treaty they want Iran to sign.

There has always been turmoil in the Middle East, but giving Israel back to the Jews only enraged the surrounding countries even more.

I'll stand by my statement. This is the same thing has Iran supplying weapons to Hamas and Palestine people. yet we can all agree that is wrong.

How is this any different? Isarel doesn't want peace, neither does Iran.

Now Isarel's enemies need to buy more anti-aircraft defense, and anything else they can get their hands on to defend themselves.

AN ARMS RACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST

Originally posted by Harlequin
so , why are the tier 1 ,2 and 3 partners paying the privilage of having there own countries systems added , when all you need is a pressure group to do the same thing for you?

I don't think the U.K. situation is the same as this, apparently that was resolved more openly, behind closed doors. I'm not sure what the agreement is with all level 2 and 3 partners. It could be that each one ends up being slightly different.

Originally posted by tooo many pills

Originally posted by sealteamsix

Originally posted by tooo many pills
The jews in our government love Israel. There is absolutely no reason why we should give so much money, technology, and weapons to Israel. It's only creating an arms race in the middle east.

The Jews in our government? Wow... you're extremely bright, aren't you?

It has nothing to do with anyone in our government being Jewish. I'm not going to explain to you why we support Israel, because obviously you should do some heavy reading yourself.

Plz just give one good reason why we support Israel.

Obviously you don't know how the country became to be.
Or how many people they displaced making their country.
Or how many other countries were upset with the making of Isarel.
Or how many nukes Israel has, yet they have not signed the same nuke treaty they want Iran to sign.

There has always been turmoil in the Middle East, but giving Israel back to the Jews only enraged the surrounding countries even more.

I'll stand by my statement. This is the same thing has Iran supplying weapons to Hamas and Palestine people. yet we can all agree that is wrong.

How is this any different? Isarel doesn't want peace, neither does Iran.

Now Isarel's enemies need to buy more anti-aircraft defense, and anything else they can get their hands on to defend themselves.

AN ARMS RACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST

Israel has never signed the NPT (nuclear non-proliferation treaty) which, if im not mistaken, means they are not subject to any review process by the IAEA or the UN. They could produce a nuclear weapons program if they wanted to, though they would receive no help in doing so. Rogue states are a different matter. When a country threatens to use nuclear weapons repeatedly, North Korea for example, then the UN becomes concerned and can enforce sanctions.

Iran is a signatory of the NPT and that means that they agree not to produce nuclear weapons in exchange for unbridled access to civilian nuclear capability subject to IAEA inspections. The problem with Iran is that they want to remain a signatory of the NPT AND produce nuclear weapons which is a NO-NO!

Seekerof,

The problem with selling technology to israel is that they have been caught transferring American technology to China illegally. In fact, I believe Israel was even barred from purchasing the F-35 at some point. Obviously, thats changed.

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2015, seriously? That's ridiculous.

6 years for delivery!

Israel need them like NOW as it will all be over with Iran and possibly North Korea by 2011.

How long does it take to make a fighter? Probably 4 weeks, tops! How many are they buying for gods sake?

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apparantly your not actually aware that only 5 exist in the entire world - and all of these are prototypes


and your demanding that israel recieve them before the USA gets them

Originally posted by Harlequin
apparantly your not actually aware that only 5 exist in the entire world - and all of these are prototypes

and your demanding that israel recieve them before the USA gets them

lol, like i said in other threads, lol.

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I can tell that you have never followed any kind of flight test program. LM can probably build 10-15 a month, but if they did you would get a plane that flies straight and level and doesn`t fire anything.

The US military is the primary customer and they are saying they F-35 won`t be fully operational until 2016 or later. Israel is lucky to be getting them at all with their history and even luckier to get them that soon.

Originally posted by sealteamsix
I'm not going to explain to you why we support Israel, because obviously you should do some heavy reading yourself.

What I've seen on the subject so far is, on the contrary, quite lightweight. Unless you are into end-of-days and rebuilding the temple as dictated by the Bible and other such bullcr@p. Israel is a far larger liability for the US than it can possibly repay to us in millenia.

Originally posted by minkey53

How long does it take to make a fighter? Probably 4 weeks, tops! How many are they buying for gods sake?

That shows how much you do not know. Lead times for aircraft parts typically run into multiple years, such as the center tank structure (item J355) to which everything else is mated has a lead time of about 2 years.

So sure, it probably takes a few weeks to *assemble* a fighter, but to *make* a fighter it takes years.

Plus the whole fact that the test phase has yet to be completed, and another delay looms for the F-35 program.