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Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
reply to post by DarksDeception
It doesn't directly say it.
However, the Genesis account does indicate God gathered the animals and brought them there via migratory instincts or an animals natural ability to sense danger and move to a place of safety. Either that or the animals could have been led by angels. Both are commonly accepted among theologists.
Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
Originally posted by notreallyalive
Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
reply to post by notreallyalive
How does that prove the Bible wrong? We have no record of what exactly Noah brought in his ark. Just because the species are new to us doesn't mean they were new to him.
As for biblical verses, there aren't many concerning the speciation aboard the ark.
What species' he brought it irrelevant. My point is that if the ark landed in Turkey or wherever it supposedly did, HOW did a land-based animal get from there to Australia?
A worldwide flood wiped it out yet it is there, meaning the flood either didn't happen or wasn't worldwide to wipe eveything out as stated in the Bible.
Gen 6:17 "I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish."
1) God destroyed every living thing, except what went with Noah.
2) Living things have been found that weren't on the ark.
= Bible is not accurate.
It's said that angels led the animals into the ark and so they could also disperse them after the flood.(By the way it's 2 of a kind for unclean and 7 of a kind for clean)This would result in small isolated groups of animals all over the world which would replicate what we see today in island speciation.
Each new group would be suited quite well for their respective environments thus developing different behavioural mannerisms and patterns that differentiates them from other species.
Originally posted by Komodo
Originally posted by DarksDeception
reply to post by Agree2Disagree
Can I just say this before i go. I asked you a fundamental question of how we know truth. And yes, you answered that question correctly being: By the Holy Spirit.
The most important question i asked, you didn't answer: How can you hear the Holy Spirit, to know truth?
You didn't answer this question, and its the most important thing we must do to hear Him?
EXCELLENT QUESTION ~!! ) .. to which i'll be all ears on this answer..
thx
Originally posted by Komodo
ok .. whoa !! Just noticed that maybe I already answered my question ..
"The Gifts and Fruit of the Spirit
We believe that the Holy Spirit bestows enabling ministry gifts upon believers, and that these gifts will build up the Body of Christ through edification and evangelism(1 Corinthians 12:1-11); as evidence of a Spirit-filled life, believers should show spiritual “fruit”: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance (Galatians 5:22-25)."
Originally posted by Selahobed
reply to post by DarksDeception
It isnt a twelve step program lol... The truth is that the more time we spend with Him the better our ears adjust to His voice. Now what do i mean by that? When for instance you relate to the people in your life, you know their voice, shadow, manerisms, gate, the way they carry themselves, and all these things we recogonise at a subconsious level however we know who they are! What i am saying is that G-d went a very long way for us to RELATE to Him, to have RELATIONSHIP, to be real, cast our cares upon Him, but if He is our Father, then we are to relate as such. He is closer than our family because He sees our hearts, however He still wants to relate to you too! Isnt that awesome?!! The creater of all things wants to touch base with His kids? So what i say is to take time out of your day to relate, to form a relationship, get to know Him, and then you will have something real rather than a feel good at church for the church is just a building, but your body is His temple, and He doesnt want religiosity, but He wants to have relationship, and love on you, shoot the breeze, and to know that He is a priority in your life considering He is our dad!! lol
[edit on 073030p://f11Saturday by Selahobed]
Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
How have you been taught what you believe about Christianity?
I will ask you this. How did you become a Christian?
In other words, What process did you to through to become a Christian?
If you cannot answer this, then you are a hoax playing games with people. All true Christians know they must have a foundation for their beliefs. I am asking you to show the foundation for your belief system.
Also, are you saying that you do not go to church at all?
Through the spirit comes knowledge.
I became a "Christian" through Christ. The same process that Jesus undertook is the one that I must go.
I have fellowship, but no true church.
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
reply to post by JohnPhoenix
If you truly are curious John I can U2U my story to you. When I began this thread I didn't intend to be telling my personal story but if you insist and if it will appease your curiosity, then I suppose I can oblige.
Yes, please do. You see my argument does make sense. If you can prove you are a Christian at least by the accepted norm, then I may have reason to think that you are getting your answers from a real belief in Christianity.
I would also assume your answers are coming from The Bible, since it is the source for all Christian belief. Is this so?
Also you have to understand my skepticism because I have seen lots of people on ATS try to pull hoaxes on people with regards to spiritual belief.
[edit on 21-11-2009 by JohnPhoenix]
Originally posted by Komodo
Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
reply to post by Komodo
I am not quite sure I understand what you're asking of me here friend.
Can you clarify "spirit filled church"?
WHOA! Hold up.. whoa whoa whoa.. ) errr..friend..? yes.. Brother in Christ....ALWAYS.. kinda taken back by that statement .. but no matter..
*grin*.. well.. for a few examples for being spirit filled is posted below..
The reason I said.. "spirit filled' is because it seems that we that are endowed with the fullness of the spirit as a second act of grace, seem to be seriously missing the mark of what the church s/b about..
Baptism in the Holy Spirit
We believe that the baptism in the Holy Spirit empowers believers to exalt Jesus, to live lives of holiness, and to be witnesses of God’s saving grace; we expect the Spirit’s incoming to be after the same manner as that in which He came upon believers in the days of the Early Church (Acts 1: 5, 8; 2:4).
The Spirit-Filled Life
We believe that it is the will of God that believers walk in the Spirit moment by moment, serving the Lord and living lives of patience, love, truth, sincerity, and prayer (Ephesians 4:30-32; Galatians 5:16, 25).
The Gifts and Fruit of the Spirit
We believe that the Holy Spirit bestows enabling ministry gifts upon believers, and that these gifts will build up the Body of Christ through edification and evangelism(1 Corinthians 12:1-11); as evidence of a Spirit-filled life, believers should show spiritual “fruit”: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance (Galatians 5:22-25).
Divine Healing
We believe that divine healing is the power of Jesus Christ to heal the sick in answer to the prayer of faith; He, who does not change, is still willing and able to heal the body, as well as the soul and spirit in answer to faith (Mark 16: 17, 18; James 5:14-16).
How can you hear the Holy Spirit, to know truth?
Originally posted by WeShallBeFree
A rapist/murderer/generic sinner spends his life making other peoples lives a misery. One day he kills a man who has devoted his life to helping other people and has never commited a crime in his life. The man who was murdered, by the Christian logic, goes straight to hell for not believing in the Christian God. However 1 year later on death row the killer repents and goes to heaven.
This is a hypothetical situation but it illustrates my question, how can God concider this fair?
(Don't get me wrong, I believe in a creator but not one as cruel as the Christian God who seems more evil than good.)
~J