Iran tested advanced nuclear warhead design – secret report

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by Agit8dChop

 

With all due respect, people have been saying that for years... literally years.

We know how Russia feels and I am sure China would not like any disruption in energy supplies from Iran.

I just don't see any direct confrontation.... yet.

Well actually the situation is much more tense than last year, or the year before. Sources like debka or pravda have continuously bleated about war, and various Israeli sources as well, but that's what you should expect.

First post, i'm not trying to bash anyone, but the fact is that there's only been one country to ever use a nuke on another country. Iran may drop the bomb if they had it, it may not. What we know for certain is the U.S. already has. Despite what is said, there are no rules in war, and that is where we are heading
What is happening at the minute, with all this war rhetoric and pawn moving, anyone without nukes is extremely vulnerable. Countries like Iran, i feel are simply trying to even the keel. To make it less likely that a situation like Iraq will happen on their own soil.
The propaganda machines of both sides are working overtime, depicting the big bad wolf, and trying to make themselves look like heroes. But all i can say to both sides is "you can't polish a turd".

reply to post by john124


Man, this just gets farther and farther fetched. They've sunk to the level of a two point implosion device.

So, a 32 point implosion device is too big, so just claim that Iran is working on a two point implosion device! What kind of geniuses think up this far out stuff?

But hey, if you put it on the news here in America, they'll buy it without thought. But I'm much more intelligent than that, thank you.

Originally posted by john124
Of course nothing was found, as the regime had 4 weeks to remove whatever they wanted to other facilities. Iran is a big country.

Hey, watch it mister non-black American.

It looks like "john124" has nothing to do with "John Titor". I don't know why I ever thought that. I was misguided for a second, so you caught me off guard for a minute.

Well, since "john124" actually means to "kill the brown people, and then tell them that I'm trying to liberate them because I think I'm so free in America", I must tell you that you are so far gone, that I can't help you.

Unfortunately, the only thing I can do is tell you that your ideas are wrong, and that I don't agree with your bull.

reply to post by MegaCurious


That's crazy talk, when did John124 become racist?



Nice try at a derail though...just pull the race card!

heh, real secrets, people like you and I would never come even remotely close to....

this is more propaganda to excite war enthusiasts and fear monger and of course FOX NEWS aficionados

reply to post by john124


How do you propose they will make a nuke with 5% enrichment of uranium and not the 95% needed for a nuclear reaction?

A large Saudi armored force crosses into Yemen to fight Iran-backed rebels

Thursday, Nov. 5, a substantial Saudi armored infantry force and tank column crossed the border into Yemen to do battle with Iran-backed Houthi rebels the day after they killed a Saudi border guard. Saudi air force F-15 and Tornado jets have been bombing Yemeni rebel positions near the border with the southern Saudi Jizan province since Wednesday. The Yemeni Houthi rebels are the second Iranian ally to be attacked after Israel's Cast Lead operation against the Palestinian Hamas in Gaza earlier this year, DEBKAfile's military sources report.

"This is not a hit-and-run, this is a sustained action" to clean out the rebel camps in coordination with the Yemeni authorities, said a Saudi source Thursday night.

Sources in Riyadh report a number of Saudi casualties in the first hours of combat. The Saudis decided to send troops into northern Yemen to wipe out the Yazdi Houthi bases after the rebels crossed into Jizan Tuesday, Nov. 3, and captured three villages in the rugged Jebel al-Dukhan district. They killed a Saudi soldier and injured eleven before being driven out.

At this point, the oil kingdom's royal rulers decided to draw the line lest the Yemeni revolt spill over into southern Saudi Arabia's Shiite Muslim tribes which have an affinity with the Yazdis, a branch of the Shia. Most of all, they are concerned to prevent pro-Iranian fighters from encroaching on Saudi soil.

In the last two weeks, Saudi warships have helped the Yemeni navy apprehend at least three ships bringing fresh arms supplies from Iran to the Houthis, by the same method as Tehran arms supplies reach Hizballah and Hamas.

Tehran denied it is sending weapons to the rebels, but the Saudi rulers decided that Iran had crossed too many red lines and it was time to go on the offensive before the throne was imperiled by Iranian proxy belligerence.

For the last five months, Saudi Arabia and Egypt have been providing Yemeni president Abdullah Salah with military assistance against the Yazdi Houthi insurrection, mainly military equipment and ammunition.

Nonetheless, the Yemeni military has not been able to quell the rebellion. The Houthis' strength has been constantly reinforced from Tehran to the point that the Salah regime is in danger.

This is an interesting development, might be worth a thread of its own.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by john124]

Originally posted by mkross1983
reply to post by john124

 

How do you propose they will make a nuke with 5% enrichment of uranium and not the 95% needed for a nuclear reaction?

Enrich it to 95% ???

sweden built a 2 point hollow pit implosion device in 1956 - its not really that `hard` to do ; heck even the germans had a similar design in WW2.


theses are NOT thermo nuclear weapons - they are `still` fission bombs; the next step will be a boosted device - with a tritium-deuterium core and the same air lens system and combination of slow , and fast explosives

Fat Man was an implosion device , with the Inca shop of operation redwing was a boosted implosion device - its yield was 15 kt - the same as little boy , yet it weighed in at 105 lb rather than the 8900 lbs of little boy!


the inca shot proved the theory and was later developed into the W54 warhead - for use on the davy crockett nuclear recoiless rifle!

Plenty reports of this now worldwide:

www.google.com...

LONDON — The UN nuclear watchdog has asked Iran to explain evidence that it has experimented with highly advanced nuclear warhead designs, a British newspaper reported Friday.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) believes Iranian scientists may have tested components of the sophisticated technology, known as a "two-point implosion" device, the Guardian reported.

US sources now as well:

www.cbsnews.com...

Iran has experimented with a nuclear warhead design so advanced, it's still a secret in both the U.S. and Britain, according to a report in Friday's Guardian.

The British newspaper reports that intelligence suggesting the isolated Islamic regime tested components of a "two-point implosion" warhead has been handed over to Iran by the U.N. nuclear watchdog as part of a dossier of matters requiring explanation.

Parts of the International Atomic Energy Agency's dossier has been published in the past, but this is the first claim that Iran has sought such advanced weaponry — a claim nuclear experts called "breathtaking" when asked by the Guardian.

The IAEA has asked the Iranian government to explain all the activities in the dossier, which come, in part from Western nations' intelligence services. The Guardian reports that, despite frequent IAEA scepticism over Western claims about Iran's nuclear program, the agency's chief, Mohamed ElBaradei, has said the dossier focused on nuclear weapons pursuits, "appears to have been derived from multiple sources over different periods of time, appears to be generally consistent, and is sufficiently comprehensive and detailed that it needs to be addressed by Iran."

It wasn't immediately clear whether ElBaradei was referring in that comment to the "two-point implosion" element of the dossier.

Two-point implosion devices, the paper says, are easier to develop than conventional nuclear warheads and are designed to fit onto much smaller missiles.

"It is breathtaking that Iran could be working on this sort of material," said a European government adviser on nuclear issues.

James Acton, a British nuclear weapons expert, told the newspaper: "It's remarkable that, before perfecting step one, they are going straight to step four or five ... To start with more sophisticated designs speaks of level of technical ambition that is surprising."

[edit on 6-11-2009 by john124]

Originally posted by john124
reply to post by GovtFlu

 

So far nobody has explained what the mullahs would gain by rendering muslim holy land radioactive and killing the people they want to liberate. It's a silly made up threat.

What do they gain by bashing poor innocent Iranian girls over the head with batons??? Please, you cannot use logic and reason with extremists, but what the regime would love now is a distraction from these internal issues that will never be resolved because this regime has no chance of survival when it treats its own people in this way.

Who says Hezbollah or Hamas have to use nuclear weapons against Israel. What about chemical or biological weapons that Iran also has at its disposal?

American and other western protesters get bashed in the head to if they rebel against their leaders and governments decisions. How our law enforcers do their job is not that much different then what Iran does its people. The only difference is. That we observe them from a totally different location. And that the G20 meeting is over.

Get my point?

reply to post by spy66

Get my point?

I'm not really disputing what you have just said. However, none of it can be used to justify what is happening in Iran.

I am, however, also stating that the regime cracks down on protestors, including torture and raping of young women, using more brutal methods, and in larger quantities, than you would find in a westernised country.

I have previously protested on this forum, strongly against the torture of suspects in Guantanamo, and the recent revelations that CIA operatives threatened to shoot suspects or use alternate torture methods involving drills etc, that are all banned by international law.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by john124]

the agency's chief, Mohamed ElBaradei, has said the dossier focused on nuclear weapons pursuits, "appears to have been derived from multiple sources over different periods of time, appears to be generally consistent, and is sufficiently comprehensive and detailed that it needs to be addressed by Iran."

It wasn't immediately clear whether ElBaradei was referring in that comment to the "two-point implosion" element of the dossier.

Two-point implosion devices, the paper says, are easier to develop than conventional nuclear warheads and are designed to fit onto much smaller missiles.

"It is breathtaking that Iran could be working on this sort of material," said a European government adviser on nuclear issues.

James Acton, a British nuclear weapons expert, told the newspaper: "It's remarkable that, before perfecting step one, they are going straight to step four or five ... To start with more sophisticated designs speaks of level of technical ambition that is surprising."

El Baredei, who seems willing to help Iran whenever possible, wishes for this issue to be addressed.

People are sceptical of this because of the Iraqi dosser of newer WMD's from the 1990's that haven't yet being found. Has anyone ever considered that the rumoured shipments travelling over the borders in the early days of the Iraq war, and also rumours of Russian involvement inside Iraq during this time, may explain where those WMD's were transferred to?

Links for that here: www.worldthreats.com...

Warhead components may have being part of that package, or some of the details on how to build them. This may also mean Syria & N.Korea have some of these components as well.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by john124]

This from back in 2008:

Iran 'has nuclear warhead factory'

THE Iranian opposition group that first exposed Iran's controversial nuclear fuel program has given the UN's nuclear watchdog details of what the group says is a working nuclear warhead factory, visited by North Koreans.

The facility at Khojir, a Defence Ministry missile research site on the southeast edge of Tehran, is developing a nuclear warhead for use on Iranian medium-range missiles, according to Mohammad Mohaddessin, foreign affairs chief for theexiled National Council of Resistance of Iran.

Mr Mohaddessin also said the NCRI had identified a guest house on a military compound near Khojir that housed North Korean specialists working at the warhead facility. He said the information had been finalised in recent weeks and was current.

The opposition group is considered by the US and the European Union to be a terrorist organisation, but it has proved correct on several such claims before.

This was over a year before haaretz and jpost reported on this around September 2009, and yesterday's report that has become widespread today, and is probably being mentioned on Fox and CNN right about now. (BBC a little slow & behind everyone else as usual!)

reply to post by john124


as i have allready stated - 2 point hollow pit implosion devices are NOTHING like new.

the USA had them in 1945 - with FAT MAN.

fuel enrichment:


every single time the UN has been to iran , the uranium hexaflouride is `still` only 5% enriched , as per IAEA NPT guidelines.


to take it the extra 90% is a massive undertaking , and interestingly - iran hasn`t done that.

in fact they are getting ready , accoridng to the UN , to make it into fuel rods.


anyway , mute point since they allready HAVE 95% enriched uranium (and plutonium) - supplied by the USA - and thats still being used for the original purpose -powering the reactor in Tehran , and making isotopes.

reply to post by john124


The same thing the Israelis gain when they kill Palestinian children and attacked the USS liberty. Iran has a right to nuclear weapons for one simple reason: Israel already brought the fad to the region, if they didn't want others have nukes they should lead by example with their 400+ nukes. Too late now to be a hypocrite.

Who doesn't want to be protected from a rogue apartheid state with NUKES that REFUSES to abide by the UN and also refuses to seize illegal settlements requested of them by their OWN allies. Who will then force them to do right before they decide to use a nuclear weapon? All countries in the middle east should have nuclear weapon deterrents against Israel, not the other way around. In fact the Samson option is a written threat to every nation on the earth.



[edit on 6-11-2009 by TSawyer]

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by Agit8dChop

 

I just don't see any direct confrontation.... yet.

You sure?

Israel's threat of military action against Iran's alleged nuclear weapons programme is not a bluff, the country's deputy foreign minister has told Sky News.

Source

reply to post by merkava


You war-mongers can go it alone, just be content with the idea of Americans NOT helping you... and I hope you DO get destroyed for attacking a sovereign country. Just like you were beaten in 2006 for trying to invade Lebanon.