I WILL bash on Obama, every chance I can get.

God bless you! Bash him good!!!! And don't let any of the psychos here keep you from it!!!!!

I agree that you can say whatever the hell you want, but at the same time I wonder if it's really Obama that you dislike or if it's the system itself? I don't think McCain would have been any better, just different.

Our politics are totally screwed up in the US (and most likely other countries) and after all: "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". I don't think it's a matter of WHO is in office but rather a matter of WHAT the office has become. With all the money floating around there's no way in hell to get anything done morally--that's just the name of the game.

[edit on 4-11-2009 by semidiablan]

I'm with ya man! Let's just stick to his policies and not bash him personally. If you bash him personally it just provides the Libs fuel. He's doing a fine job of burying himself. Stick to his policies.

Oh for all that talk about congress...Who sets the Agenda???

Phil

if you care about the quality of this website and what people see on the front page, you will not flag this BS.

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For me right now.....? Yep it's Obama. And deal with the others later. Or actually you should, there in your district. I Can't vote out Pelosi or Murtha where i live.

And yes i am trying on Cantwell!

Originally posted by piddles
if you care about the quality of this website and what people see on the front page, you will not flag this BS.

Yet your posting?

S&F

It is anyone's right to bash on whomever they choose for whatever reason. They can be biased, blind, arrogant, ignorant, or whatever negative stereotype you choose to throw at them. However this is not a characteristic of just the left or right. When Bush was President, some would automatically bash everything he did. And now that Obama is President some people will do the exact same.

Personally I think people are more likely to get people to see their point of view if they think logically and critically and not just paint with a broad brush. I do not support Obama at all, but it is not because he is a Democrat, or black, or any other thing usually thrown at those that criticize him. And given that my view points come from a place of critical thinking and logic, many people I know are starting to agree with many of my points. If someone likes, I can go point of point on any issue and tell you why I disagree or agree with Obama. It just so happens that from critical thinking I disagree with Obama 95% of the time.

Obama is full of lies and here are some of those lies.





And instead of creating jobs this is what obama about more

Originally posted by seagull
What many of you seem to be forgetting, in your eagerness to Bash on Obama, is that he, or any President; doesn't operate in a vacuum. There's the little thing called Congress. Save some of your "bashiness" for them, infact maybe most of it...

Congress could, if they chose to, derail the White House rather easily. They hold the purse strings.

Whatever ills are perpatrated by the President, you can damned well bet that he was aided and abetted by his lap dogs on the Hill.

...there will be a referendum on President Obama in a year, remember your outrage then...and send that message to Congress via replacing many of them, if not all...

Congress did that with Clinton by "working with him"

[edit on 4-11-2009 by js331975]

Whatever you do, only criticize the Caucasian half of him...don't say anything about his African half or the libs will cry "racism" (actually, they'll say it anyway but that’s the tactic I use).

Common Good,
I gave you a star man. My only issue is with your statement was about diversity. If you are referring to Obama's ability to divide the nation, you used the wrong word to express that feeling.

I have no problem with diversity. I do have a problem with the use of divisive techniques, so that he can keep everyone busy while our nation falls into the hopper.

I stand with everyone else who is European, African, and Asian-American. All I ask of everyone is to "take the hyphen out". We are Americans dammit!

We need everyone to remember why we are here, and that this country was originally built on good honest morals that are worth dying for.

Get the socialist out.
Get the hyphen out.

[edit on 4-11-2009 by Pathos]

People are more emotional when it comes to Obama and I don't blame them one bit -- Obama brought that on himself. See...Obama ran an entire campaign on "hope". Hope, however, is a very personal emotion. It's a real feeling...one that some people rely on just to get out of bed every morning. The hope that things will improve, the hope that a loved one will get better, hope that one day you'll win the lottery, hope that your child will get into college....etc.

Bush and McCain campaigned on policies. Business. Taxes. Foreign relations. War....etc.

When people begin to lose "hope", which is what is happening everyday Obama is in office and more and more of his campaign promises are broken, more and more controversial policies are being passed, and the transparency that EVERYONE -- even those that didn't vote for him -- wanted has pretty much turned into every other President's policy -- which is that transparency only applies to what the President thinks will be well-received by the general public.

As Obama disappoints more and more people, they are in essence losing "hope" -- since that's what they voted for. Keeping hope alive. Unfortunately, once hope is gone -- the public will respond with the opposite.

Definition of hope:

hope (hp)
v. hoped, hop·ing, hopes
v.intr.
1. To wish for something with expectation of its fulfillment.
2. Archaic To have confidence; trust.
v.tr.
1. To look forward to with confidence or expectation: We hope that our children will be successful.
2. To expect and desire. See Synonyms at expect.
n.
1. A wish or desire accompanied by confident expectation of its fulfillment.
2. Something that is hoped for or desired: Success is our hope.
3. One that is a source of or reason for hope: the team's only hope for victory.
4. often Hope Christianity The theological virtue defined as the desire and search for a future good, difficult but not impossible to attain with God's help.
5. Archaic Trust; confidence.
Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...

Antonyms of hope:

dispair, hopelessness, disbelief, discouragement, pessimism


I could go on and on about all of the policies and such that encompass why, everyday Obama is in office, I wake up every morning and turn on my computer expecting to see that the American flag has outlawed, that the Constitution has been burned, and that there are military personnel barreling down my street with needles housing some miracle vaccine....

but instead I decided to simply give my take on why people are especially emotional when it comes to Obama and why, when TSHTF, it will be terrible. People with no hope left tend to not act very rationally. And again, Obama did this to himself when he decided to take on the hopes of every American. Take it on and destroy it, mind you.

The catchphrase of this site is "Deny ignorance".

OP I might suggest that a more balanced and less biased stance on Obama might go a long way to making that catchphrase reality.

[edit on 4-11-2009 by Helmkat]

You can cry out loud, scream, hate the guy, never shut up, and in the end, you'll still have contributed nothing. I'm not an Obama supporter, but this attitude wont change anything, except for your sleeping patterns and your hair line.

Originally posted by Janitor From Mars
I really don't care what you think about Obama because this clearly a site for angry Republicans to come to and vent about Obama.

I'm sure there used to be more intelligent discussion at one point.

You can cry and cry and cry about someone but it won't change a damn thing.

Are you kidding me. Democrats are leaving the party. According to ABC News this evening, they are defecting over to the Independent party. Everyone is bailing on both the Republican and Democrat parties. We are looking at the formation of a new movement, which will eventually cause both Republican and Democrats to go extinct.

Most of the people here are Constitutionalists, Liberaterians, or Independents. We want both parties to fail, so we can replace them with a more constitutionally sound system.

Thanks for paying attention.


[edit on 4-11-2009 by Pathos]

there's nothing wrong with bashing our leaders in fact i think that's being lenient and it probably makes them feel safer that their angry constituents are talking against them and nothing worse, lets them know they haven't gone too far yet.

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it's not the system it's the people in it, they keep lowering the standard. intentionally or not their solutions only make problems worse and when they don't make them worse they just make more. feel like playing jenga for money and lives?

Originally posted by Helmkat
The catchphrase of this site is "Deny ignornace".

OP I might suggest that a more balanced and less biased stance on Obama might go a long way to making that catchphrase reality.

He speaks for many-many people.

www.rasmussenreports.com...

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 28% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove...

Once Nancy Pelosi and others pass that National Healthcare bill, we will be launched right into a civil (or Revolutionary) war.

FYI - I'm not promoting war. I'm just observing the tension.

[edit on 4-11-2009 by Pathos]

Originally posted by Common Good

Originally posted by nixie_nox
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What excuses?
Excuses for what? Or are you just listening to all the usual tabloid rhetoric instead of denying ignorance?

How sad.

If all you do is bash, and focus on bashing, I doubt you really have bothered to use that critical thinking part of your brain, and looked at the issue.

Which is very immature.

Why bother come to this site if you can't actualy think for yourself and just listen to the tabloid rhetoric? this is an information gathering site, and you just admitted that you now have the posting equivalant of yahoo.

So go to yahoo.

WHAT!?
Im sorry, but is that the best you can come up with? The fact that I listen to"tabloids". Where did you get that from my post? I told you how I felt, and you dont like it.

Has nothing to do with what I like or don't like. What I do like is every subject, bill, decision, etc to be evaluated and understood and approached critically. Maturely. To announce that you will bash Obama no matter what, is just nothing but a star and point generator for you, for all the others that have absolutely nothing to add other then bash.

conspiracy theories have a hard time gaining traction in the public eye. when you spout crazy ideas with no basis what soever, it does not help that image. That is why experienced members on this site will make you defend your source, your views. We put you through the same gauntlet the public is going to. To publicly admit that you will bash Obama no matter what, means you intend to not critically think about his actions and decisions, and bash them. It degrades what people on this site has worked very hard for.

You are MAD because someone actually has the balls to say what others wont.

Mad, no. You act like your original or something. We have never seen Obama bashing on this site before.don't flatter yourself. ANd don't ever project emotions on to me.I know this is really your wish and intention, but no one on ATS is going to make me mad, much less someone who starts a thread about bashing. It shows that you have nothing constructive to add.

I didnt get this oppinion from some news station or magazine like you would lovefor me to have done, I got my own opinion by paying attention. Go back to the threads BEFORE the election.

Well if you eliminate all the sources, then you MUSt of gotten it from tabloids.

If not, where do you find your information?

You will see I have been very much a part of taking in all the information I can as much as I can. So far I have seen NOTHING of Importance this man has promised to the people.

If your gonna insist on hating someone because it is the popular thing to do on ATS, nothing he can do is going to be signifcant for you. He could re-invent the wheel and your gonna hate it.

You do me a favor...list me 5 great things this president has done for us.
Just 5. thats all I ask. He has had ONE YEAR, I am SURE you can find 5 Great accomplishments this man has created. Happy Hunting.

Oh I love a challenge! *rubs hands together*

This is Nixie's top five list. It doesn't represent in particular order of accomplishments or nixie endorsements:



1)$2500 tax credit for families with college students to offset the cost of college. This saves taxpayers 9 billion dollars a year.


2)Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009
The largest in two decades, protects two million acres of forest, thousands of miles of rivers, and national parks and trails.

3)Many people don't realize that some health care reform has already begun. $19 billion dollars have been allotted for an electronic medical system. Which means if you live in orlando but are visiting Cali and have to go to ER, soon they will be able to pull up your records, so your local er doc doesn't accidently prescribe you something that counteracts or causes a reaction with current medication. or if your out plain cold, they know who you are, what you got, and have your history to guide them. This is very important for people.

4) expansion of schip.

5) In March Obama signed in the Navajo water rights act. That allocates 800 million of stimilus money to give 80,000 Navajo the water pipeline to bring them water.

6) the credit card bill of rights. That protects consumers from predatory credit card banking practises.

7) increased the amount of money given to the small business adminstration to cover and secure more loans for small businesses.

8) recently passed the on time budget for veterans adminstration budgets, that Congress can no longer stall the budget.

9) Americans right to Cuba. Before everyone gets all huffy and claims that it hasn't been released yet, the restrictions have been lifted already on family visits and 200,000 Cubans have already gone back to visit relatives since Obama partially lifted the ban. Obama has done his part, now the decision lies with Congress.

10)The Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act


I saw your five and raised your five.






[edit on 4-11-2009 by nixie_nox]

Other then a hatefest....what is the point of this thread????? To pat each other on the back, "ya I hate him too S&F!"

As long as this is the American approach( Dem or Rep) your all screwed. Wake up already!! Don't like it, change it, provide solutions, be politically active. Stop wasting your time on HATE!