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Originally posted by JFrickenK
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Lillydale
Sorry, will have to do better than "Prison Planet" as a source!! LOL!
www.timesonline.co.uk...
Better ?
Originally posted by turbofan
reply to post by 767doctor
This thread has really built up replies within the last couple of days.
I don't recall which page any longer, however the manual which I have
confirms your conclusion. A few pages back I made a post about
the density calculations to show how the parameter updates.
It's safe to say that finding an "error" with a parameter is going to be
virtually non-existent. Depending on which camp you're coming from,
the data is either real (recorded from the aircraft's FDR), or it has been
staged using another airplane / flight sim.
It's not as though someone typed in the 1/0's for the entire .fdr file, for
every parameter. That's just not an option. Having said that, I'd like to
continue debating some stronger points but not within this thread.
If anyone is interested in a friendly discussion, I'll start up a new thread.
If nothing else, to pass time. It's not as though I'm looking to change
the world with another topic on flight data!
Rules are:
- no name calling
- no sarcasm
- no put downs
- no, "not nice" stuff
(hey, one can dream...)
Originally posted by JFrickenK
Once again I am not PFT.
(...)
You also appear to have some "pull" in the avaition industry...
Why is it that you do not attempt to aquire the proper schematics ?
( with flight 77's serial and registration number on the proper pages )
By not doing so in effect you yourself are playing a part in what you describe as disinformation.
JFrickenK
Without the proper schematics written specifically for flight 77 it is not possible to prove or disprove that the flight deck door parameter was being recorded.
Originally posted by 767doctor
Originally posted by JFrickenK
Once again I am not PFT.
(...)
You also appear to have some "pull" in the avaition industry...
Why is it that you do not attempt to aquire the proper schematics ?
( with flight 77's serial and registration number on the proper pages )
By not doing so in effect you yourself are playing a part in what you describe as disinformation.
Ahem. I assume you already asked these two fine gentlemen?
Core Members List(Pilots For Truth)
Mike Aybar
Aircraft Maintenance Technician, Crew Chief
American Airlines
Bill Credle
Aviation Maintenance Technician
American Airlines
17 Years
It's not my job to provide evidence for your claims.
Originally posted by JFrickenK
Without the proper schematics written specifically for flight 77 it is not possible to prove or disprove that the flight deck door parameter was being recorded.
Originally posted by JFrickenK
Why is it that you do not attempt to aquire the proper schematics ?
( with flight 77's serial and registration number on the proper pages )
Originally posted by R_Mackey
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Yes, although I don't have the math equations to verify, nor calculate, the exact amounts,
It's simple trig weedwhacker. Sin 1 = o/h. Wingspan is 124, divided by 2 = 62. Sin 1 = o/62. Sin 1(62) = o. Double it and this is the amount of "swing" in the wing for a 1 degree crab.
Originally posted by R_Mackey
it is true that a swept-wing will seem to 'lengthen' as the leading edge is presented more amd more perpindicular to the relative wind.
The effective wingspan/wing length along a course will never increase when the aircraft is askew as compared to a course with zero wind. The effective wing length with repect to the damage path will decrease with any crab angle.
[edit on 25-11-2009 by R_Mackey]
Originally posted by JFrickenK
Without the proper schematics written specifically for flight 77 it is not possible to prove or disprove that the flight deck door parameter was being recorded.
Originally posted by TomK52
4. You [Balsamo] believe that [an unconnected Logical 1 value would allow] "... a tech [who] reviews the data [to] readily admit ... its not valid."
I believe the that this is incompetent engineering. ... I believe that the ONLY COMPETENT way to determine the facts of the case are to examine the specific maintenance history file on that specific plane.
(Which, everyone should note, is precisely what you & Turbo & your rest of your gaggle of incompetents is NOT doing.)
....we have verified Warrens data for the last flight only, the alleged hijacking on Sept 11, it shows the door closed.
Some have made the claim that the rest of the data also shows the door closed for the entire time. We at P4T do not have the resources at this time to verify that additional data. But again, we did verify the last flight through our own decode. In the future, we may be able to verify the rest.
As we know, those who make excuse for the govt story will believe anything they're told if it supports their beliefs. None of them have verified the ADDITIONAL 40 hours of data. They just take it at face value because it MAY support their agenda.
Keep in mind, if the data all showed 1's, meaning door open, we can definitively say the data is erroneous, as there is no way the cockpit door would be open for 40 hours of passenger service at American Airlines. And if logic has any value, this would be the bit value recorded if the FLIGHT DECK DOOR parameter wasn't hooked up to the system so when a tech reviews the data, he can readily admit its not valid.
But the fact is the data shows all 0's for the last flight and verified by P4T. This means the door was closed for that flight and the hijacking impossible BASED ON THE DATA. The NTSB/FBI are the only ones who are able to, and need to, explain this alarming conflict.
All else is speculation and theory.
Again, this data not PROOF of anything as I mentioned on page one of this thread where i stated "...we can not confirm or deny the authenticity of the data as provided by the NTSB". All we know for a FACT, is that the data being provided by the NTSB to the American public through the FOIA does NOT support the govt story, once again. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment.
No proof the past "11 flights" existed as passenger service, no pax or crew manifest, Just more and more proof that those who make excuse for the govt story have nothing better to do than bicker with people they think are nuts, from behind their screen, day and night. Sad.
No proof the past "11 flights" existed as passenger service...
...no pax or crew manifest...
@767Doc
Are both comparators required for flight at Delta?
6th time asked.
Why do you keep evading this question?
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by R_Mackey
@767Doc
Are both comparators required for flight at Delta?
6th time asked.
Why do you keep evading this question?
I'm not 767Doctor, but...who cares?!?!?
Originally posted by R_Mackey
83 pages and still no proof the door was opened in flight for a hijack to occur, no proof N644AA was the aircraft responsible for the damage at the Pentagon, no proof the PA is in error, no proof of the object from which RA is measuring. No proof the past "11 flights" existed as passenger service, no pax or crew manifest, Just more and more proof that those who make excuse for the govt story have nothing better to do than bicker with people they think are nuts, from behind their screen, day and night. Sad.
And for those who seem to have forgotten... i'll bold the pertinent statements below since some keep missing it.
....we have verified Warrens data for the last flight only, the alleged hijacking on Sept 11, it shows the door closed.
Some have made the claim that the rest of the data also shows the door closed for the entire time. We at P4T do not have the resources at this time to verify that additional data. But again, we did verify the last flight through our own decode. In the future, we may be able to verify the rest.
As we know, those who make excuse for the govt story will believe anything they're told if it supports their beliefs. None of them have verified the ADDITIONAL 40 hours of data. They just take it at face value because it MAY support their agenda.
Keep in mind, if the data all showed 1's, meaning door open, we can definitively say the data is erroneous, as there is no way the cockpit door would be open for 40 hours of passenger service at American Airlines. And if logic has any value, this would be the bit value recorded if the FLIGHT DECK DOOR parameter wasn't hooked up to the system so when a tech reviews the data, he can readily admit its not valid.
But the fact is the data shows all 0's for the last flight and verified by P4T. This means the door was closed for that flight and the hijacking impossible BASED ON THE DATA. The NTSB/FBI are the only ones who are able to, and need to, explain this alarming conflict.
Enjoy your Sunday folks. Look for the announcement of our largest update ever to our Core Member list. Should be sometime this week!
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by R_Mackey
@767Doc
Are both comparators required for flight at Delta?
6th time asked.
Why do you keep evading this question?
I'm not 767Doctor, but...who cares?!?!?
Rob, do you even understand the Comparator, how it functions, what it "looks" at? Do you know how it works? Do you know what an MEL is? Do you know that the MEL at one company might be different than at another? Even on similar fleets?
AND, can you explain what it has to do with this topic???
Your cute attempt at "6th time asked" with whatever insinuation was meant is another puzzlement. Just what are you going on about, anyway?
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Oh, forgot to add, for extra credit: What circumstances might result in ICU monitoring being unavailable, due to a pilot's actions in the cockpit?
[edit on 13 December 2009 by weedwhacker]
Originally posted by JFrickenK
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by R_Mackey
@767Doc
Are both comparators required for flight at Delta?
6th time asked.
Why do you keep evading this question?
I'm not 767Doctor, but...who cares?!?!?
You can't answer the question either ?
Oh well, don't feel bad... Neither can I.
Originally posted by 767doctor
Originally posted by JFrickenK
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by R_Mackey
@767Doc
Are both comparators required for flight at Delta?
6th time asked.
Why do you keep evading this question?
I'm not 767Doctor, but...who cares?!?!?
You can't answer the question either ?
Oh well, don't feel bad... Neither can I.
If you or Rob have another claim to make, make it. I wont play your reindeer games.
Originally posted by JFrickenK
Originally posted by 767doctor
Originally posted by JFrickenK
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by R_Mackey
@767Doc
Are both comparators required for flight at Delta?
6th time asked.
Why do you keep evading this question?
I'm not 767Doctor, but...who cares?!?!?
You can't answer the question either ?
Oh well, don't feel bad... Neither can I.
If you or Rob have another claim to make, make it. I wont play your reindeer games.
Nope, no claims here.
Nope, no answers and only Ad Homs from you... As usual.
Nothing has changed.