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Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?..OMG is this real?

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posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 10:57 AM

n October 14, Lord Christopher Monckton gave a presentation in St. Paul, MN on the subject of global warming. In this 4-minute excerpt from his speech, he issues a dire warning to all Americans regarding the United Nations Climate Change Treaty that is scheduled to be signed in Copenhagen in December 2009. A draft of the treaty can be read here:

link to document treaty.

THIS IS BIG!!!!!!!!!!

omg what are we going to do yall?

There has been considerable debate raised about Monckton's conclusion that the Copenhagen Treaty would cede US sovereignty. His comments appear to be based upon his interpretation of the The Supremacy Clause in the US Constitution (Article VI, paragraph 2). This clause establishes the Constitution, Federal Statutes, and U.S. TREATIES as the supreme law of the land. Concerns have been raised in the past that a particularly ambitious treaty may supersede the US Constitution. In the 1950s, a constitutional amendment, known as the Bricker Amendment, was proposed in response to such fears, but it failed to pass. You can read more about the Bricker Amendment in a 1953 Time Magazine article:

[edit on 20-10-2009 by TheAmused]

posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 11:08 AM
No people are just plain stupid.

posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 11:14 AM
Look up the UN Resolution on Iraq with that same amendment. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, are all war criminals.

So OMG, Global warming! OMG!
Trying to stop climate change!?
You're trying to give our country away to COMMUNISTNAZISOCIALIST! Good Job Obama..

Compared to WAR! Millions dead, my brothers in arms dead. Great Job Bush.


[edit on 20-10-2009 by FantasmaTaans]

posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 11:42 AM
He won't give up information to verify his own background, but he seems plausible to cede his control of the US to the UN? Not very likely. Heck if defeated in 2012, I have doubts to wanting to cede the office then.

posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 12:03 PM
hum, it appears we must hang together or hang seperate as the saying goes... I wonder who is gonna fire the first shot? and how does all of this fit into the bigger picture and what about IRAN...? and our troops are where....? whoa.... it looks like the vets are all thats left..

guess what -- he already signed it -- he went to Copenhagen to lobby for the Olympic's ... that smelled fishy and now he will sign it on dec. 20th where...? Copenhagen...

[edit on 20-10-2009 by Anti-Evil]

posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 03:34 PM
But as i figured not 1 flag to bump for truth.
to spread the truth of about what is about to go down.

read the treaty ect..
don't take the guys word for it.

Then ask yourself why isn;t this treaty even being spoke about on the new's.
Because we are already very very bent toward controlled media .

heck the white house wants to ban fox news cause there the only one's criticizing them.

I don't know what to think.
But i do know my kids will grow up in a FREE America as my father and his father before fought for it for us.
My country's freedom isn't something a man that has never even been in a war or even cut a potato for the troop's to decide.

posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 05:29 PM

"That may be a way in which you could form a regime using these models that are already out there," she said.

posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 06:18 PM
I would very much like to, as has been suggested, read the UNCCT proposal for myself.
I have looked at the UN site and the COP15 site.
I have had no luck in finding the treaty.
Anyone have a link?

posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 07:15 PM
reply to post by briantaylor

i posted it in first link

it's real as heck..and what this guy is saying is flat what obama is about to do and other goverments.

as he said in the video..
Obama won the noble peace prize....
He will be the becon head to announce it see.
Now we know why he got the noble prize so fast.

posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 10:27 PM
If this is indeed the facts concerning this so called "treaty", wouldn't the signing of it by Obama be considered a treasonous act upon the U.S. and the U.S. Constitution?

posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 10:35 PM
If this is true...It is horrible....With the economy about to crash, killer vaccine being given out, now this....But what can we do to stop him (Obama)???

S & F ....good find

posted on Oct, 26 2009 @ 03:48 AM
From the Treaty...quite scary stuff.

PP.6 Intending to renew and strengthen the global partnership through the creation of new levels of cooperation among Parties, according to the principles of the Convention.

PP.11 [Further emphasizing that] a shared vision does not include commitments for developing countries. It does, entitle technology transfer, capacity-building and financial resources for project implementation regarding mitigation national programs.

PP.13 Recognizing that current and potential climate change impacts require a shift in the global investment patterns and that criteria for financing allocation shall clearly respond to the priorities identified by the international community, with climate change stabilization being one of these priorities.

PP.14 Acknowledging that current atmospheric concentrations are principally the result of historical emissions of greenhouse gases, the most significant share of which has originated in developed countries.

PP.15 Further acknowledging that developed countries have a historical responsibility for their disproportionate contribution to the causes and consequences of climate change, reflecting their disproportionate historical use of a shared global carbon space since 1850 as well as their proposed
continuing disproportionate use of the remaining global carbon space.

6. These adverse effects [also] [further] [undermine the equitable development needs of present and future generations] [demand a more equitable utilization of the global atmospheric resource to reflect the
needs of present and future generations], and have a range of direct and indirect implications for the full and effective enjoyment of human rights including the right to self determination, statehood, life, food and health and the right of a people not to be deprived if its own means of subsistence, particularly in developing countries.

14. [In reflection of] [Because of] their historical responsibility for the accumulation of greenhouse gas emissions in the atmosphere, [developed country Parties [and other Parties included in Annex I of the Convention] [must] [should] [show leadership] [in the global effort to build a low-carbon economy that ensures continued growth and sustainable development and strengthens capacity to adapt to the impacts of climate change] [shall take the lead in combating climate change] [and the adverse effects thereof] [in] [by] [in particular on taking corresponding measures in] [mitigation] [in taking on ambitious economy-wide quantified emission limitation and reduction] commitments [immediately implementing ambitious and legally binding emissions reductions] [through deep reductions in their emissions.] [or actions.] Developed country Parties and other developed Parties included in Annex II of the Convention
[should] [must] [shall fulfill their commitments under the Convention in] supporting all developing country Parties, particularly the most vulnerable, in undertaking adaptation measures and enhanced nationally appropriate mitigation actions (NAMAs), in a measurable, reportable and verifiable manner, and in [assisting] [providing support] [enabling] them through the [provision of] [transfer of] technology cooperation and transfer and capacity building and financial resources [that help these countries] to move towards a low-emission development path.

It is clear enough.

They are using the European Union as a template.

Treaty by Treaty
Clause by Clause
They will build there world govt.

Each step so mind numbing boring and legalistic, that ordinary people will never read the documents. Politicians and Press will tell the voters that each treaty is harmless and that the opposition are homophobic racists and stark raving mad.

posted on Nov, 5 2009 @ 03:36 PM
Envoys scale back U.N. climate pact ambitions
Legally binding treaty less likely since U.S. lags with its own legislation

BARCELONA, Spain - Negotiators and diplomats were working Thursday on a scaled-back version of a global climate change treaty that could be agreed by next month's deadline, without firm U.S. commitments.

The idea of forging a political agreement, instead of a legally binding treaty, was becoming a more accepted possibility as negotiators acknowledged some nations, including the United States, would not be ready in time for the December U.N. climate conference in Copenhagen, Denmark.


European officials said they envisioned a political accord emerging from Copenhagen enshrining plans by developed countries to cut carbon emissions and by emerging economies to trim back the growth of their emissions. It also would include specific numbers on how much money wealthy countries would channel to the poor to combat the effects of climate change.

Thought this update was important. Looks like there is an acknowledgment of a new world economy in the works. Also looks like the warnings are true about wealthy countries giving taxpayer money to poor countries.

Well, it was nice knowing everyone. Lol... What the hell!?!?!?

The United States — the only industrialized nation to reject previous climate deals — had pledged to be a leader in climate change policy after President Barack Obama took office. U.S. climate legislation was bogged down this week, however, as a group of conservative Republican senators demanded more cost-analysis of the bill, which calls for cutting greenhouse gas emissions from power plants and factories by 83 percent by 2050. On Thursday, Democrats on the panel approved the legislation with no Republicans present, and it will now be merged with bills being written by five other Senate panels for a vote by the full Senate. The House has already passed a climate bill.

[edit on 5-11-2009 by Pathos]

posted on Nov, 5 2009 @ 03:45 PM
reply to post by Ahabstar

He won't give up information to verify his own background,

wrong. He did, you just won't let it drop and accept reality.

And Obama CANT sign over the country. Isn't it funny how detractors play both sides of idiocy?

On one hand they say "What can a president REALLY do, they need congress and the senate to do anything"

And on the other hand they say


Obama can't get an all Democratic congress to sign into health care for everyone (poor people included)

How do you think he'll convince them to sign over our country to the evil socialists?

Talk about some good old fashioned brain washing. People actually believe this crap?

posted on Nov, 5 2009 @ 03:51 PM
After seeing how fast this climate change is occurring, I cannot help but wonder if something else is happening. I'm sure we are partly responsible for what is currently happening, but I don't think it just humanity at work here.

Hmmm... Research time...

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 05:41 PM
Face it folks. We are, sooner or later, headed toward global socialism; aka One World Government. Unfortunately there's nothing any of us can do to stop it because the snow ball is headed down hill and it's gaining mass and momentum....inertia is a bitch! There are too many in congress who care more about their party and political correctness than the nation...both sides of the aisle. There are too many in congress who think the Constitution is out dated; hell most ignore it. Again, both parties. The blatant corruption and pandering in DC has gone well beyond unconscionable. They are all whores for the almighty diminishing dollar.

Our sovereignty as a nation will be given away. If not all at once, bit by bit. Just like the freedoms they are trying to take away now.

I tell my kids often that I'm glad I will not be around in 100 years, but Jesus I feel sorry for my grand kids.

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 05:45 PM

Originally posted by Pathos
After seeing how fast this climate change is occurring, I cannot help but wonder if something else is happening. I'm sure we are partly responsible for what is currently happening, but I don't think it just humanity at work here.

Hmmm... Research time...

You are kidding right? I mean about the "human effect". Do a quick google on "Al Gore's hypocrisy" and see what ya get
The man is the ultimate hypocrite.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by Hugues de Payens]

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 06:31 PM
I read somewhere there is a clause in the first big buddy 700bn$
bailout that we had to agree to lose our soverieignty if we didnt pay
our bills to other countries. (china, japan, saudi arabia, etc)
In order for them to not dump the dollar as world benchmark currency!

I cannot confirm or find this but interestingly enough, about that time,
Hillary was in China smoozing with them!
And the rumor at the time was to reassure China that if anything happened
to our credit we have to give them land for money basically.
Anyway, the way they are crashing the dollar, nothing surprises me anymore.

Also interesting my nephew had a dream of china taking over parts of our country. He said they were saying everything will be the same but you pay us instead of uncle sam!

He's not one to dwell, but that dream he said was really weird
because it seemd like the future to him!
Anyway, freaked him out.

Anyone learning mandarin yet?

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