I believe over 1,000 people were murdered due to the actions of a UK national newspaper

reply to post by star in a jar


They are entitled to use whatever language they like providing they aren't breaking the law.

Poor grammar although annoying at times is not an offence!

reply to post by TheDailyPlanet

Very insightful. I will keep my eyes open.
You will become familiar with the abbreviations on ATS...
MSM TPTB WTSHTF WIASAD WYSIWYG COCK ATEOTD hehe

Newspapers are about real life. The two groups of people who have been affected are (a) mentally disturbed people who feel that the headlines pertain to them, and how they should conduct themselves in real life - because they know the newspaper is about real life unlike fictional films. (b) the youngsters with a violent predisposition for whom these words - as Star in a Jar very correctly says - are a catalyst.

And to say that teenagers do not read the Daily Mail is completely untrue.

In the case of the Daily Mail, there are at very least 100,000s of people under

I understand that inflammatory titles sell newspapers and it does the problem is that these titles can be inaccurate, incite hate or violence, and in an age when people only have time to read the titles and not the finer print, it's a big problem!

I'm sticking to my belief that someone is analyzing newspaper content and its wordings and cross referencing it to crime statistics as part of an experiment in social policy, and I've heard a lot of things about the UK being a litmus test for the Elites.

Big brother, cameras on the streets, you people are being experimented on.

You say nay, not possible... Then why the hell are so many English coming to Canada?

I can't find any hard facts on the last thing I said... But I've seen it in the neighbourhood.

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Originally posted by star in a jar
reply to post by titan69

 

They don't have to read the newspaper, all they have to do is look at the front page which is displayed on store shelves or the newspaper coin box and see the GD titles 'Knife' and 'Rape' screaming at them in big bold letters!

I do know what you are saying, but I think you are underestimating the criminals here. They may be influenced, but it is more likely that they will be influenced by their peers. The words 'knife' and 'rape' in a newspaper will mean nothing to them, if you have grown up with street culture all around you then you will be more hardened to these words than anyone else.

Its like hiphop etc, people think it encourages people to commit violence. I agree that it does glamorise the 'ghetto' mentality BUT if everyone who listened to hiphop was shooting and stabbing people then we would live in complete carnage. Most people I know that listen to hiphop wouldn't hurt a fly.

I just don't think a word on a page will influence these people. If you are sick enough to rape or stab someone you would do it whatever.

Hmmm not convinced about this, I thought daily mail readers used shotguns, aren't knives a bit thug for them.

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reply to post by star in a jar



Canada is a lovely place. I went there when I was a kid (I'm 32 now), and all the people on the pavements said 'Hello' even as complete strangers.

I myself have been monitoring the effects of the headlines, and other media. In fact I have 2 other scandals which are also mega-bad, but this one is the worst! There is no 2 ways about it, the following metaphorical dysphemisms / cacophemisms in newspapers trigger violence, and they should damn well know it by now:-

Bloodbath - eg "Bloodbath in the City"

Knives are out

Knives come out

Knives are being sharpened - in the context of the preparation for kniving.

Knives out

All these blood-thirsty headlines can and have led to actual bloodshed.

reply to post by TheDailyPlanet

I hear you here. Like somebody who is a paranoid skitz' would see the headline and think it as a message. The trouble is you could say this about any piece of text. Although I totally see their overusage to a suspicious degree.

One thing I will say though: Newspapers are not about real life. They are a one sided, fabricated, manipulation of events. NOT REAL LIFE.

Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
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And to say that teenagers do not read the Daily Mail is completely untrue.

In the case of the Daily Mail, there are at very least 100,000s of people under

Originally posted by CRB86
Of course, the problem with this scenario is that it suggests that 'hoodies' in Brum, Manchester and South London all read the Daily Mail.

A paper, which, is predominantly read by the elderly and lunatic right-wingers.

was thinking the same myself.

TheDailyPlanet, i kind of agree, but not specifically against the Mail.

IMO I would be more inclined to look towards the garbage the Sun prints as more of a trigger for the masses.

Also in London I would look at the free papers (metro,London lite) as carriers of this type of shock news. Which ties in more with what another member was saying about people not necessarily having to buy the paper as they are littered everywhere.

Anyone who uses public transport will know after rush hour the trains are littered with these papers.lol

reply to post by titan69

Its like hiphop etc, people think it encourages people to commit violence. I agree that it does glamorise the 'ghetto' mentality BUT if everyone who listened to hiphop was shooting and stabbing people then we would live in complete carnage. Most people I know that listen to hiphop wouldn't hurt a fly.

I remember seeing a news story on Wars in America, yes, literal wars in America between rival gangs in cities especially back in the 1990s (I think) when the Bloods and the Crips were really going up against one other, and I couldn't help but think how the media and the music industry helped fuel the rivals against one other.

Not all HipHop is bad I agree, there's HipHop and Rap and there's very hard Rap with hookers and fighting dogs and gunplay. I mean, it must (or had) an effect on America's urban youth, Americans of all or partial African descent in positions of celebrity or power have begun coming up against these forms of violent rap it in recent years though, they were obviously worried about the effect of media on youngster's minds.

Violent incidents involving knives:

2007-08 - 130,000 a year.
2006- 07 - 173,000 a year

Here's the kicker

1995 you had 340,000

Sounds more like Hysteria than sound research. So overall there is a decline but when you break stats to to geographical and Ethnic levels the picture does change.

Inner City minorities are more likely to commit knife crimes.


The British Crime Survey (BCS)

The British Crime Survey (BCS) is an important source of information about levels of crime and public attitudes to crime as well as other criminal justice issues. The results play an important role in informing Government policy.

The BCS measures the amount of crime in England and Wales (the first survey covered Scotland as well, but now Scotland and Northern Ireland carry out their own crime surveys) by asking people about crimes they have experienced in the last year. The BCS includes crimes which are not reported to the police, so it is an important alternative to police records.

What I can tell you, is that since the Daily Mail was sent a formal cease and desist letter on June 22nd - cease and desist "knives are out" and "knives come out" and "knives are being sharpened" (which also included a request for £200,000 to be remitted by DMGT plc to charity), and also phones to other newspaper editor's offices to request ceasing use of knife metaphors of this sort, there has been during the last two months a MASSIVE reduction in knife crime in the UK.

This kind of thing is happening all the time to everyone without them being aware of it, it comes down to the mind set of the person taking in what they have seen or heard.

It is not just knife crime,it's a lot of things from the way you conceive things, to your deepest desires, you even see it happen right here on ATS.

An example or two, lets take the recent Obama bashing here, a TV personality or a newspaper using the Socialist label starts referring to a person working for Obama as Obama's new Czar of ? whatever it was I remember watching it, then within a day a lot of threads started having the word Czar included in the titles when referring to an appointment he had just made.

Another example, say someone comes across the headline for instance say Jolie worried over secret video leak, the internet all of a sudden becomes a blaze with people searching for a video of Angelina Jolie, even though such a video might not even exist.

It does not happen to everyone, but it does to those who like the way the word was sentenced, or just because they think Angelina Jolie is the hottest thing since fresh toast.

Every single one of us has desires, we have things which interest us be it a simple hobby, we tend to follow the signs offering to show us these things, this is why magazines sell, it's why Ufologists get excited when a new show is promoted, or a sighting or word of new evidence gets the chatter going, the exact same reason why the skeptic will also have their ears pick up, because it is an interest from opposite sides.

And this is why the OP would not surprise me in the slightest as being true, a lot of kids are angry, be it from being bullied, the word knife might appeal to their sense of getting revenge, so they take a knife, the thoughts in their minds all the time saying they wont hurt me again, an incident happens out comes the knife, and for 1 millionth of a second they feel fantastic, then reality sets in, most of the time leading to nightmares , sleepless nights, not because they have stabbed someone, but because any second the doorbell could ring, and their life is then over.

Everything around us is like this, from the want for a revolution, to the need to take a trip around the solar system should ET really turn up and want to take us for a ride, to getting to see the jiggly bits of a fantasy we only get to see on the big screen, if it didn't have an effect it wouldn't exist.

Take 10 mins alone to think about it, where do your ideas really come from, why do you buy what you do, why watch that TV show, what appeals to you and what makes you believe it will fulfil your wants, needs, and desires?

You can lie to yourself and deny it, but it is true.

Originally posted by greenfruit
Violent incidents involving knives:

2007-08 - 130,000 a year.
2006- 07 - 173,000 a year

Here's the kicker

1995 you had 340,000

And that is exactly what I am talking about!

As for knife crime going down in the last two months? I don't agree. There is probably just as many people walking around with knives as before and just as many stabbings. Its just the media is reporting on it less!! Now they are more preoccupied with swine flu and the recession, whatever they can use for their propaganda and scare mongering next.

Remember, fear=control. Stop being slaves to the media!! Just because you are doesn't mean everyone else is, in fact I think OP is the one being influenced by the media more than anyone else!

The figures from the Home Office - if these are correct - although they are enormous, at least there is a downward tread. Could you post a direct link to the data please?

I believe that there has been a lot of deaths related to newspaper headlines as follows:-


"Now they will stab him in the front". (Mail on Sunday, January 8th 2006)
(This could be taken as a trigger to stab someone in the front)

"After a week to forget, the knives are out". (Daily Mail, May 1st 2009)
(Many youngsters tell me that knives are out means:- get the knives out)

"Knives are out"
(Get the knives out). This was the headline by the Daily Mail by Peter Hitchens to the 2006 knife amnesty, suggesting that it would be a failure.

"MP's queue up to knife Brown" (The Sun newspaper).
In other words, the countenancing or tolerance of a knife crime - the MPs queue up to commit knife crime against Gordon Brown. The afternoon of publication a man was stabbed to death in Oxford Street, London, which I found unsurprising.

"KNIVED" The Sun newspaper back page headline, printed in Red. A girl was murdered with a knife within hours, which I found unsurprising.

Upon complaining to several newspaper editors about the Sun's use of the word KNIVED in RED, I received a letter from the Editor of the Daily Mirror noting my points, who the very next day published the front page headline

"Spice Girls are AXED from Live 8"

with the word Axed printed in Red.

That afternoon Anthony Walker was murdered with an axe.

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reply to post by titan69



Before two months ago, there were people being murdered with knives sometimes DAILY.

During the last two months, I have only seen 2 UK knife murder reports in the whole of the 2 months.


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Well. let's hope that one of these mentally triggered people is not reading this thread. With the number of 'knife him's' mentioned there may be a bloodbath about to happen....lol

oneclickaway - don't forgot "blood bath" is one of the supposedly 'allegorical' terms I want them to drop, as well as the 'pretend' knives with which the Prime Minister is regularly knived, or for whom the knives are sharpened. So there you have it, the countenancing of knife crime by much of the media.

I don't think that there is a risk of this thread becoming a catalyst (of course I would be devastated). I hope it helps in the interests of prevention of violence.

You see these are newspaper headlines which I am referring to, and you may have seen Star in a Jar's point that the headlines are often glanced at as people flick through the newspaper, without reading the article.

Here - this is effectively an article/forum which is evidently pointing out the serious problem with these phrases, I have to mention them to point out the problem, but we are saying they're wrong - anyway I think we'll be OK on that one. I hope so. Please:-

THE KNIVES HAVE BEEN PUT AWAY.

reply to post by TheDailyPlanet


Yes But how many go unreported??? There was no car crash fatalities recorded in the national press today, but I can guarantee that somewhere in the country there was a fatal car crash. There were no earthquakes reported by MSM today but chances are there has been an earthquake somewhere in the world!

Main news in the Mirror today.... over 1 million jobs lost since recession began. Now what are the chances that some people lose their job today? Oh wait, that must be the Mirrors fault......lol