Report: Pirates seize ship on Israel's behalf, preventing arms from Iran

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
Why would the Russians use the Atlantic Ocean/Mediterranean Sea to ship weapons to Iran, when they could use the Caspian Sea?

It's called "Sleight of hand", while everyone concentrates on one ship others are unloading at other ports. The Russians are not stupid, they have been shipping arms around the world for a very long time, what you see here must be for a reason.

Some info on the sales of these missiles in general follows:

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On 28 January 2005, Ukranian parliamentarian Hryhoriy Omelchenko issued an open letter to President Viktor Yushchenko that Ukraine had illegally sold cruise missiles to Iran.

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On 18 March 2005 "Financial Times" newspaper of Britain reported that Ukrainian Prosecutor-General Svyatoslav Piskun had stated that Ukraine exported 12 cruise missiles to Iran and six to China in 2001.

The newspaper said it was the first confirmation by a Ukrainian government official that the exports took place. The the X-55 has a range of 3,000 kilometers, more than enough to reach Israel from Iran.

The missiles themselves were not in very good shape, according to one US official. They were diverted from Soviet stocks left behind when the Ukraine declared its independence in 1991.
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Ref: www.globalsecurity.org...

Do you think Iran would want to buy obsolete missiles?

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Piskun told the paper that none of the 18 X-55 cruise missiles (also known as Kh-55 or AS-15) was exported with the nuclear warheads they were designed to carry.
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In the game presently several players want you to believe in the "nuclear threat" posed by Iran, previously there has been little said about delivery systems, now you will hear rhetoric about a "nuclear missile" threat to Israel posed by Iran.

One more excuse to be used as justification for war.

WTH is wrong with you people? Deny ignorance, there's not a single piece of evidence that would point to an arms shipment of any kind. There's no evidence of nukes or mossad either. It's all fine and dandy to speculate and make guesses but some here write as if it's somehow a known fact.
One article here and another there doesn't mean that they've got some inside info noone else has, they have to provide some proof also.
Sorry for steaming off here but it's frustrating that some people don't do their homework and just believe what a nice big headline has to say

We live in a World of multiple perceptions, and realities. I have known for a long time, and recently it was brought back up, that the real Power Brokers have NO NAMES. The ones we know as the high, of high, are still nothing, but pawns in a grander game.

I don't mean to post off topic, but this is an interesting comment. In my experiences, I have learned that most power is by assumption. If you want to be powerful, you just have to show real initiative and have no fear to take on anyone. I think people who use money for power are the weakest leaders, simply because the best power is the power of the heart which exists beyond money. I greatly believe in the so-called "anti-Christ" and I'm pretty sure that he will be someone who comes from the streets and will end up affecting the entire world through truth and vision, not money and guns.

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I absolutely believe this is being blown out of proportion by the MSM in order to distract, desensitize, and plant propaganda about Russia, and Iran.

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The two links are part of my reasoning of remaining vigilant. Also, I cannot find it, but I came across a US Army Command website that literally said something about psychological operations command..........So, for myself personally I just want to maintain vigilance on a topic which was meant to confuse us, or plant certain suggestions in Our minds for future events.
www.independent.co.uk...

www.muzzlewatch.com...

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Yes, what I wrote is true. Rothschild, Rockefeller are powerful, but not the main dudes. The main guys are whispers in the night, fleeting thought, or maybe the best way to describe as the ghosts in the machine. You just cannot put Your finger on them, or description, but hey, just my two pesos

Didn't really mean you. Those who write things like 'are you surprised the mossad was involved' etc. kinda get to me
Others seem to have magical power of knowing that there was weapons on board also. It's possible but I'd hold the judgement till something solid surfaces

One thing is for sure,

The other day I saw on the news a small piece about how Russia had detained the pirates and taken them for questioning.

You were then shown some footage of these 'pirates' being escorted of a army plane into waiting hanger.

They were cuffed, and being frog walked by multiple army personnel

To me, this screams of a setup.

Russia doesn’t usually 'SHOW' arrested people, let alone suspects on the news like this.

For Russia to release a press kit showing video footage of these men, with no covering of there faces or not attempt at hiding there identities is extremely odd and rare.

In my mind, its Russia really trying hard to convince the people this is them, that’s all there is to it.

If it were normal, they'd have not shown anything at all and told the world its our business let us deal with it.

secondly

According to European Union officials a second attack was then reported off the Portuguese coast and the ship's AIS system was switched off.

There were 2x attacks, not one.

Russian navy vessels, including the Ladny frigate and two nuclear submarines, were mobilised following reports of the vessel's hijacking.

It wasn’t even a Russia ship, the crew were Russian. Why send 2x nuclear sub's ?

The communication with the Maritime and Coastguard Agency, which appeared to be normal, came four days after the Arctic Sea's Russian crew members had reported the armed boarding to managers based in Finland.

For unknown reasons, and according to Maltese maritime officials, the reported attack was not communicated to the police in Helsinki until Jul 28, too late for British coastguards to be alerted to the existence of a possibly hijacked vessel in the English Channel.

They waited until they were out of British navy presence to report the hijacking.
They couldn’t risk the British finding this ship first, and discovering its cargo.

The First hijacking, I believe was Russia putting something ON the ship.
The second hijacking, I believe was Arab/Russian. They were taking the stow-away cargo off the ship, to the middle east.

Russia couldn’t transport it via train/road, because Georgia has become sealed and allied with the west.

Any ships sent from Russia itself to the Middle east , more specifically Iran would be checked out and flagged.

Now, Russia has managed to get what ever this is into the Middle east, without appearing responsible.
They have also now created a reason to have Subs/Navy presence patrolling European/Middle eastern waters.

To believe Eastern European pirates have the technological know-how to disable a ships tracking is naive, IMHO.
Second to this, If you take a Russian ship for ransom, you don’t just give it up knowing your going to be tortured/held indefinitely in a Russia gulag.
Also, why did they interrogate the ships crew? this is ludicrous.
Was the 'apparent' cargo of 6,700 cubic metres, of sawn timber to hard to find?

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
There were 2x attacks, not one.

I haven't seen any confirmation of that second attack.

They waited until they were out of British navy presence to report the hijacking.
They couldn’t risk the British finding this ship first, and discovering its cargo.

They only left British waters at the end of July 29 or early hours of July 30, I think they had enough time for an emergency call to the British authorities, if they considered it important enough to tell the British, so if there was a delay it was by the Finnish authorities

Russia couldn’t transport it via train/road, because Georgia has become sealed and allied with the west.

Any ships sent from Russia itself to the Middle east , more specifically Iran would be checked out and flagged.

They can use the Caspian Sea.

Now, Russia has managed to get what ever this is into the Middle east, without appearing responsible.

How did they did that? Through the Sahara? The entry in the Mediterranean is closely controlled, the ships left the Mediterranean to go to the Atlantic and when they get back they will be seen.

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
The entry in the Mediterranean is closely controlled, the ships left the Mediterranean to go to the Atlantic and when they get back they will be seen.

True, unless you needed two subs to do the work of moving the alternate cargo. I'm still of the opinion this is a ruse, if there is much ado about missiles able to carry nuclear warheads shipped to Iran you can bet it is part of a beat up for Israel.

Given Russia has sold Sunburn missiles to Iran it is hardly likely to try to off load some really old stock.

oooppsss

sorry wrong thread

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