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The Constitutional Republic is dead

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posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 01:29 PM
The Constitution is Dead

Some of you may be aware of how the nazis and their propaganda arm
succeeded in taking over Germany by using "The Big Lie". The brains
of many Americans automatically shut down anytime someone refers
either to leaders or government programs as being Nazi or fascist in
nature. Should you feel that switch engaging try to bear with me unless
you're afraid of the truth in which case you should read no further and go
back to your waking sleep that you call reality.

The Big Lie

There is one big lie that has been the Modus Operandi for our government
since 2001 and it is this; That we still continue to operate our government
as a Constitutional Republic. We still have all the windowdressings: a
President and cabinet, a Congress, a regular alphabet soup of agencies
that cover everything under the sun and then some. They have press
conferences and sessions of Congress where they seemingly do the
business of America.
The media has us convinced that things go on just the same as they have
for over 200 years. As long as we don't dig too
deeply we all go on reassured that Big Brother is still working and somehow things will get better.
Oh, the Union still stands but the Constitutional Republic as we once
knew it is dead. We no longer enjoy any Constitutional protections
whatsoever. Simply because the MSM hasn't made it into a story doesn't
mean that it hasn't happened but IT DID.

Every fundamental right we have has been taken away somewhere at
some time - Trial by jury, habeus corpus, the right to assemble
peaceably, indefinite detention, the right to vote etc. etc. Those not
blatantly taken away have been sorely compromised or vilified by
the MSM as being acts of treason, un-american - you know the drill here.

Although FEMA was started by Jimmy Carter, it was turned into a tool
of the National Security State under Reagan/Bush. Here's a primer video
if you are not familiar with REX 84, a plan to suspend the Constitution
in the event of a national emergency.


Fast forward to 9/11/2001. On September 14, 2001 "President" G.W.Bush
declared a national state of emergency pursuant to Section 202 (d) of the
National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C.).

Here's an excellent article from (believe it or not) CBS news from
March 1, 2002 when the story broke:

Link -

This state of emergency has been renewed 7 times since Sept. 14, 2001.
Article from Robertscourt.blogspot:

link -


Here's a directive from G.W.Bush posted in the blogspot:

Notice: Continuation of the National Emergency with Respect to Certain
Terrorist Attacks

Consistent with section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act
(50 U.S.C.), I am continuing for 1 year the national emergency I
declared on September 14, 2001, in Proclamation 7463, with respect
to the terrorist attacks at the World Trade Center, New York, New
York, the Pentagon, and aboard United Airlines flight 93, and the
continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States.

Because the terrorist threat continues, the national emergency declared
on September 14, 2001, and the powers and authorities adopted to deal
with that emergency, must continue in effect beyond September 14, 2008. Therefore, I am continuing in effect for an additional year the national emergency I declared on September 14, 2001, with respect to the terrorist threat.

This notice shall be published in the Federal Register and transmitted to
the Congress.

August 28, 2008.


powers that have been used for the last 8 years override any and all
Constitutional protections.
That certainly explains why the government has seemingly acted with
impunity, paying no heed whatsoever to public opinion. They don't have
to, we're still in a state of emergency.

Not only have they done this but WELL OVER HALF OF ALL THE PRESIDENTIAL
district Oregon -

video -

and -

From the Georgewashingtonblogspot article:

As Steven Aftergood, of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, notes:

"Of the 54 National Security Presidential Directives issued by the
[George W.] Bush Administration to date, the titles of only about half
have been publicly identified. There is descriptive material or actual
text in the public domain for only about a third. In other words, there
are dozens of undisclosed Presidential directives that define U.S. national
security policy and task government agencies, but whose substance is
unknown either to the public or, as a rule, to Congress."

Try searching government websites for yourself - they have been purged
of anything relating to Continuity of Government. It is what has been
hidden that is important - that C.O.G. is still in effect.

Rep.Defazio and 2 other congressman have been stonewalled since 2007
even though they are members of the Homeland Security Committee. The
Obama administration despite their claims of "transparency" are not willing to change the status quo or answer any questions about it.

link -
Text from the article:

While Obama administration officials would not discuss details of their
continuity plan, they said the current policy was “settled,” and they
drew no distance between their own policies and those left behind by
the Bush administration.

The Republic is dead and has been for 8 years.
Where do we go from here?

[edit on 13-8-2009 by Asktheanimals]

posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 02:07 PM
reply to post by Asktheanimals

The Constitutional Republic is dead

I think you have done a fine job in making a point, but have overlooked a few important details. First and foremost is that the Republic is not the Constitution. The Constitution is the cloak or shield of the people... but the Republic IS the people. The Republic lives as long as the people want it to and can only be reformed or ended on their authority.

Now, it may well be true that there are those who have usurped the power of the people via violation of the Constitution but, it takes more than that to end the Republic.

For our part, we must be ready to sound the alarm, just as you have, when we see that our shield has been attacked... so that we may then protect our Republic and thereby also, ourselves.


posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 02:52 PM
reply to post by redoubt
So the president took over as undisputed 'President for life', and yet allowed an election to remove him. I guess his bosses didn't want him to continue. The fact is the vast majority of Americans do not know that they no longer are under a Republic, but a fascism taken when the government ran a false flag operation. Why? Perhaps so they could do this, and destroy the Republic. The lie is cleverly woven, so that the public will only gradually become aware that we are no longer under the cherished Constitution anymore. But we are armed, and these govt terrorists will attempt to prolong the deception as long as they can, to avoid spilling their own blood. I really don't blame them for this. Interesting times...

posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
The Constitution is Dead

Some of you may be aware of how the nazis and their propaganda arm
succeeded in taking over Germany by using "The Big Lie". The brains
of many Americans automatically shut down anytime someone refers
either to leaders or government programs as being Nazi or fascist in
nature. Should you feel that switch engaging try to bear with me unless
you're afraid of the truth in which case you should read no further and go
back to your waking sleep that you call reality.

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Some of us feel you are preaching to the choir.

American Fasci

It was a symbol used widely in the Roman Empire and it consists of rods bound together around an axe. This axe is the origin of the term Axis Powers for the fascist countries in the Second World War. The symbolism is of people and countries bound together under a common centralised dictatorship, the axe.

Not only was this used by Ancient Rome back in the day as one of its Symbols of "Supreme Authority", but also by the Original "Axis Powers" of Europe back in the first half of the 20th Century prior too and during WWII.
Numerous governments and other authorities have used the image of the fasces as a symbol of power since the end of the Roman Empire. It has also been used to hearken back to the Roman republic, particularly by those who see themselves as modern-day successors to the old republic.



America the new Rome?

Where the elite is concerned, he has fun comparing the huge travelling circus of officials that accompanies the American President with the similar entourage of a Roman emperor. Both surround a leader so coddled and cocooned that he has little real contact with the outside world.

And just as Rome was said to contain the omphalos or navel of the world, so the Washington elite are inclined to suppose that everything revolves around them.

The Rise of American Fascism

The rise of fascism itself is a complex story, much less the rise of American fascism. Just as understanding the rise of fascism in Europe requires understanding the conditions of the time, so too understanding fascism in America requires understanding the conditions leading up to its transformation into a fascist state.

Before getting to that, though, it has to be clear that this is not about proving that something is good or bad, or trying to demonize American policy by associating it with fascism. In some respects American fascism could be considered "benevolent fascism." The rise of fascism in America was a multi-faceted process that took place over time, and was really a part of a larger trend in the 20th century that included other nations as well. As was stated in Part I, fascism developed as a solution to perceived social and economic problems from a certain perspective - a "right-wing" perspective. This is an analysis of American policy and society and the correlations with fascist ideology as described in Part I of this series:

posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 06:17 PM
reply to post by SLAYER69

Thanks for your response Slayer 69. I haven't been on ATS
long enough to know what the general attitudes/educational
levels are of the folks here. Sorry to preach to the choir. I too
hate it when I feel people are talking "under" me.

Funny thing about the fasces is last night my wife and I were
watching a program that showed an Italian dagger from WW2. I
pointed out the fasces on the handle to my wife and told her that
was the very symbol used in Congress. lol. I love these synchronicities.

It has also occured to me that America today is at a point
where Rome was during the time of the Caesars - we have the
outward form of a Republic but in substance were under a dictatorship.
I'm just waiting for the coloseum games to begin.

I've learned to count on you to make intelligent contributions via your
posts Slayer, thanks for the input.

posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 06:33 PM
reply to post by SLAYER69

I forgot to add that the right-wing takeover of the US was
basically enabled by the rise of the religious right (Falwell,
Robertson, moral majority et al). They were the votes that
ensured a landslide victory for Reagan.

During the 80's their influence grew exponentially until finally
levelling out in the early 90's. G.H.W.Bush should've known
their power but failed to capitalize on it in the 1992 Presidential

The lessons learned by the Republican party were
to focus on just a few issues (so called "family values") that
more or less intimidated the voting christian population into
supporting them.

Bush 43 was more successful at getting the
votes of the religious right and with a little help from the supreme
court and ES&S managed to slink into the white house. Then came
9/11 with the ensuing hyper-nationalism and voila! the national
security state was publicly sanctioned.

posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 06:36 PM
Brings to mind how Bush proclaimed the Constitution as a mere piece of paper.

But to be honest, we our be served up shards of transparency here and there - by way of the Powers not bothering to hide much of their atrocities any more.

The more I look around, the more I see bits of the real reality seeping through.

posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 08:36 PM
reply to post by orderedchaos

That's part of what scares me is that they don't seem to care how blatantly they shove things down our throats. Definitely NOT a good sign.

posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 08:44 PM
There never was a constitutional republic except in your text books.

What there was, was a Masonic conspiracy to incorporate yet another Roman State into the Empire.

Hail Caesar!

Now back to work you dogs! Stroke, stroke, stroke, stroke, stroke, stroke, stroke, stroke...

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posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 11:04 PM

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
There never was a constitutional republic except in your text books

What there was, was a Masonic conspiracy to incorporate yet another Roman State into the Empire.

I'll have to diasgree with you on that Proto, we may be under
maritime law but that hasn't always been the case. I might argue
that the Constitutional republic died when the civil war ended.

Look at how many naval altercations we had with England right up
to and during the civil war. Then what happened? Nothing, after that
we got all chummy with the Queen and London since we owed them
so much money to finance the war.

The civil war began the institution of Federal control surpassing
the powers of the States. All powers not directly enumerated within
the Constitution were to belong to the states and the people.

Lincoln, though a hero for saving the union, did so at that cost. The
civil war forced the first unconstitutional acts onto the people and
were thus established in law by precedent. From that point on it has
been a slow slide down into totalitarianism, something historically
minded southerners have been aware of since.

Whether or not there was a masonic conspiracy to make a new
roman state I cannot say. I do know the vast majority of the signers
both of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence were
masonic members but that does not defacto make them promoters
of such.
Indeed, I would find the protections in the Bill of Rights to be
an argument against the idea of any kind of controlling faction in
the creation of both documents.

[edit on 18-8-2009 by Asktheanimals]

posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 04:34 PM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Here we go again Proto...

Does it ever end... :shk:

Here's a good start on the issues being brought up...

The Original Thirteenth Amendment

The End of the American Republic: the Shadow Government is Born

[edit on 8/20/2009 by Hx3_1963]

posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by SLAYER69

I'm just waiting for the coliseum games to begin.

In Rome Bread and Circuses were used to appease the mob.

Here that equates to:

Pro Wrestling, Sports, TV, Video Games, etc etc.

posted on Oct, 8 2009 @ 07:36 PM
reply to post by Asktheanimals

Hey, I just had to put my two cents here…
I see it this way, perhaps my thinking it different, but the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of AMERICAN PEOPLE, immediately after the September 2001 attacks approved, and wanted to rain death and destruction on those that defiled America.
The president, was faced with the responsibility to acts as Thor’s hammer, in order to quench the blood lust that ran rampant across the country. “Vengeance shall be mine”, was the cry in every city throughout America.
Later as the full threat against America became present, the PEOPLE ONCE AGAIN told their elected leaders to insure that further acts of terrorism be stopped in its tracks before more Americans were slaughtered. Laws were enacted to wiretap phones, monitor banking transactions, agents sent out to look into dark corners. Internet email intercepted, and additional power given to various law enforcement, as well as intelligence apparatus tasked with these news tasks. These were how the terrorist communicated, and operated without impunity in our very midst.

Amidst all of this; the “Open Border Policy” represented another national security issue. The American PEOPLE once again told their leaders these policies were insane, and something should be done about it. After all; it would be easy to have terrorist groups mingle with the Hispanics crossing into America unnoticed. That debate still remains open, and unsolved.
But the simple fact is, America feels safer now, at least some people do. I sure don’t. Would I feel safer if these laws hadn’t been acted. You bet I wouldn’t….
The Rules of engament are pretty straight forward and easily defined:
1) identify the Threat
2) Locate the infrastructure
3) Eliminate with extreme prejudice
I think we have covered all those bases thus far. Exampling the various (recent) arrest and ongoing investigations that blanket the news. We only now realize the full magnitude of how badly that we’ve been infiltrated by these wretched people that would slay our children in their schools.

But, for some, these were the incidental excuse to bemoan a system trying to correct a serious wrong, and shouting from every rooftop, that the New World Order had finally arrived. Using this as the impetus to create and sow seeds of malcontent among the population, amounted to nothing less than brainwashing, with some degree of treasonous lechery thrown in for good taste.

All this talk of FEMA camps, mass round up’s of dissenters, elimination of resisters, and so forth. How long would the AMERICAN patience stand for that. How many people would have to be rounded up by some tyrannical government, before the blood cry once again echoes across the mountaintops. Not long, I assure you.

The question then remains; what if the government had done nothing…what then?
What if we just went on with our head stuck firmly to the grindstone, some in various orifices of their bodies, and pretended that the problem didn’t exists, and eventually it would work its way out.

Our world would be vastly different than what it is at this exact moment.
Think about that for a moment. The far reaching consequences of not having the “guys in black” searching the dark corners.

Perhaps we would live like the Israeli’s do; always in fear that some whacko wearing a suicide vest filled with explosives would take away our security and personal safety. Perhaps we would see an up swelling of radical groups, much like the Taliban, and Al Qaeda rising to power in this country. Perhaps the new laws are actually putting a tight clamp on these activities, as we seen on the nightly news stories and various magazine articles.

But I am sure…no I am positive, that without the government’s “guys in black” (many of them already hero’s, but not languishing in the limelight) doing what they do best, our brave new world would already be crumbling down around our ears, ushering in. the long awaited Apocalyptic scenarios that we all look towards the horizon for…

posted on Oct, 8 2009 @ 08:28 PM
I talk to a lot of people every day, a lot, and very few of them really pays much attention.


Truthfully, if you think about it, I seriously doubt that a nation with quite so many parts (and domain), could possibly be run by the group downtown (I'm in dc every day, blah).

It's too slow, too tied up with non-binding resolutions and sound-bit contests to actually get things done.

How does a 1000 page bill come out overnight and get voted on so quickly? Someone has to be churning this stuff out because I don't really see Senators or most Congressmen/woman sitting down and writing that much.

How many of them KNOW that much about these things. Very few of them are any sort of scholars about the Constitution or other Americanesque things (pesky history).

Things like the Reagan revolution, the Obama fever, Bush's love/hate, etc all seem like a dog and pony show. It all seems so elaborately polished and slick that's it's hard to trust anything.

Even ATS.

Anyway, I see a lot of political carping going on around here that just borders on insane (not in this thread, but in general). I absolutely can not think of anything better, if I was one of the head leaders of America, to get people (us dangerous fringe) to discharge their frustration on each other. My anger lies purely with the government and it's empire.

Just a few wandering thoughts from my libertarian sub-conscious.


[edit on 8-10-2009 by KrazyJethro]

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