Are people so uneducated as to think the world could function without monetary systems?

reply to post by grapesofraft


Go buy your 500k house and know while you do so that people in this world are dieing because they don't have food to eat.

Why don't they have food to eat? Because they don't have paper money... which is a barrier to resources.

The current monetary system allows wealth hording so that others may suffer. Our monetary system isn't a "necessary evil" as one poster put it. It is evil! It holds back our growth from becoming a world where peace and prosperity are available to all that wish it.

If you don't care about others, then this system works for you! And all the other scum in our goverment who get bonuses, vacations, and raises with your tax dollar. A dollar that also comes out of your Income btw which is illegal.

What? You mean to tell me that the world can not function without the current form of money?! Well then, let's all start getting greedy and learning the ways of the Fed so we can not only survive, but thrive. Without that knowledge ATS would not be here!

You must be saying that there is no possible way what so ever to function as a world-wide economy beyond the current money sytem of today?

okay, let me clear itall up for you mr. smartie pants.

How would we buy anything that was expensive, like a house, a car, another business, etc?

lol, well, lets start with even distribution. for remember, if this would happen, it would mean a world you havent seen before. humans would make everything more efficient, less waste, more of it, for free! how? well, ask yourself, would you work for free? probably not, but if you were in a totally different world, that opperates totally differently, you would have different perspective on life, and us as humans do not no how that would be, and how we would react to the things we do today.





How would the world function without some form of money?

human rights. lets say, every human has the right to free shelter and food water, medical supplies, everything to keep them living. surely they will do something on their free time. more scientists will come forth, for people wil have the urge to discover, because they are doing it for free. communities, something we do not have today, will have small farmlands for the whole community to get thier needs.....this is just few of the millions of possibilities.

Am I missing some profound sort of knowledge or something?

yes you are. open your eyes, and stop letting people point you in a direction.

reply to post by gandhi


I am not letting anybody point me in a direction, but I also do not live on Fantasy Island. Two good case studies for this would be people on Welfare and people in Communist nations.

What percentage of people on Welfare do you think are running around working for free...probably very few. Most people who spend their lives on welfare are pathetically lazy. They just sit around all day and do nothing for nobody. They can not even raise their own kids right.

Is that really what you want the world to look like? It is good for people to have to earn their living. It gives that extra push most people need to get off of their asses long enough to do something constructive.

There is nothing more destructive to a person than to hand them what they need to survive and not expect them to give anything in return.

reply to post by grapesofraft


Well, therein lies your problem. You "want" material things, therefore you will be a slave to the money you think we can't live without.

It is only those cultures that have survived thousands of years without money, that realize that equality, sharing, and teamwork is the only way to really "live".

I like our modern lifestyle to a certain degree as well....like running water, fire with the turn of a knob, light with a flick of a switch, communication with the push of a few buttons, and transportation that can get us anywhere important within a few minutes. It's nice, convenient, but also dangerous, as we've become spoiled into having these things provided for us. These modern conveniences rely on so many individual efforts, that if any single one were to break down, we'd lose them in a heartbeat. There's a significant drawback to modern technology like ours. If we lost it all tomorrow, would you be able to survive? Maybe, maybe not, but all those people who live in remote villages without money wouldn't feel a thing. Your $100,000 education, two sports cars and $500K house won't do you much good. So "educated" is all relative when the scene changes.

It's the yearning for more that created the money. It's the lack of content for what we already have that creates unhappiness. It's the competition of wanting to have more and be better than everyone else that drives our souls to an early grave, without having learned the spiritual lessons in life. The wisest souls to have ever walked the earth have all lived simply, most in poverty, lived happily, and lived in service to others. Money was not an issue for them, nor was "education" in the formal sense. However, education in the spiritual sense was all they desired. So again, "educated" is all relative to the situation and also what your goals are.

If those who have money want more, then they will call those beneath them uneducated for not wanting the same. Those who have little and are content, or who desire to have less, will wish for a world that no longer desires the unhappiness that accompanies money and the greed that powers it's relentless pursuit.

hi this is my first post

grapesofraft can u tell us eny benefits of using the monetary system ..and its not uneducated thinking outside the box

im not the best at this yet:s

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Oscar Wilde said the economy is to make what is useful and the individual is to make what is beautiful. Or something to that effect...

A resource based economy would not be a free-for-all like our current system. Distribution of necessities like electricity and food staples would have to be highly organized and democratic.


For anyone out there who is intrigued with the Zeitgeist movement and the Venus project I'm going to suggest that you look into anarchist philosophy, if you haven't already.

Below is a link to the Anarchist FAQ, which is a fantastic explanation of the ideas of anarchist philosophers.

An Anarchist FAQ

This section is particularly relevant to the discussion...

What would an anarchist society look like?

Originally posted by warrenb
Some alternatives:

Barter
Local Exchange Trading Systems (LETS)
A gift economy (or gift culture)
Resource Based Economy

Okay children (you are all probably older than me anyways), here is a lesson based on common sense!

Barter:You realize how hard it is to barter anything besides the basics in life? Some of us like progressing into the future.

In all of my examples, we will say the WORLD uses such a system. You really think we would have half the technology we do today with a barter system? How about public transportation? Companies like NASA? Huge architectural buildings? Giant cities? Do you WANT to live in the middle ages? I got some words of wisdom for you - the quality of life WAS NOT BETTER THEN!!

In a barter system, we would all become farmers, working long days, with the basic essentials of life. Oh, one more thing. You want some internet? Everyone wants internet! Well, everyone is going to be a farmer - you think the masterminds behind any new type of technology is going to want 5000000 potatoes? Or some crappy chair you made?

A barter system would create the worse class system.

(LETS):I do not see the point in this. Bigger is better. More people in the system, more options to buy/trade/sell. Enough said.

Gift Economy: Why don't you just call this Socialism? You can give gifts in todays world - what is stopping you? You are not expecting something back, correct?

Resource Based Economy:Essentially what our economy already is - just more advanced. Products will always tie into it.

reply to post by grapesofraft


I would just like to say you hit the every nail on the head. EVERY. ONE.

There are two types (and a secret third...) of people in this world. Idealist and Realist.

Realist follow the system, allowing it to operate.

Idealist do not follow the system, and usually falls through the cracks and wants a new way of life that fits "them".

The secret third...Realistic Idealist! They follow the system, and then make it better.

Some of you want to rebuild the world from the top down. With HOW much people work today, we are where we are. In these systems many of you talk about, they only promote laziness.

Less people working, less "things" moving around...yet it is somehow supposed to produce more food, better houses, and plenty of toys for everyone. Sounds like magic to me!

i dont see how it would slow technolegy advancing without money but in real life all research is idiotic allways say its not cost effective instead of if its effective and why barter culdnt we just share things pr give people wat we need and im pretty sure evryone culd have sum sort of mobile phone sized device with evry feature you could think of ..and to build matereals just use plants to make plastic and use giant 3d printers to build structures

heres wat a 3d printer can do www.technovelgy.com...

reply to post by FritosBBQTwist


Fine work my man. Star for both of your posts. According to some of the posts in this thread there are some fools who think they would be happier living in the Dark Ages.

It is amazing to me the time and energy some people put into thinking of ways not to work. If they used that time to do something productive maybe they wouldnt need to create an imaginary world where everything is handed to them.

Originally posted by grapesofraft
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Fine work my man. Star for both of your posts. According to some of the posts in this thread there are some fools who think they would be happier living in the Dark Ages.

It is amazing to me the time and energy some people put into thinking of ways not to work. If they used that time to do something productive maybe they wouldnt need to create an imaginary world where everything is handed to them.

were not thinking of ways not to work were thinking how to make the world a better place.
were in the new dark ages enyway.... people wuldnt just sit inside till they die lol even the most lazy people wuld get bored hey meybe make it illigal to be lazy and people wuld work bkuz why not help for the benefit of others and the majority of people arnt lazy money slows us down ...and ur just as bad accusing others u get money handed to you by a boss enyway

reply to post by ultratron


People who work dont get money handed to them by a boss for just existing, well unless they got a cushy government job.

People work to create revenue for a company and in return they get paid. That is not the same as someone handing you money for nothing.

As for me, I have my own business so nobody hand me anything. If we dont make a profit, I dont get paid. I am last on the list.

reply to post by grapesofraft


i see lol but its from the govenment

hmmm but dont u see how money slows us down technologicly at all

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reply to post by ultratron


What is from the government?

Money doesnt slow us down technologically. If anything it drives the creation of technology and helps people decide what resources they are willing to dedicate to R & D. It drives the creation by rewarding those that succeed and punishing those that fail.

reply to post by grapesofraft


money from the government

but without money we wuld have no need for funding eny research we culd then build watever bkuz it wuld be limitless look how much we waste looking for money for research instead of just doing research we culd even feed third world countries bkuz there wuld be no bribery thats the reason there starving


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reply to post by ultratron


You are still loosing me on the money from the government bit, but whatever.

Look even in the imaginary perfect world, there is not the resources available for every idiot that wants to research something. This is one of the positive roles of money, as it allows investors to weigh the risks/rewards of alloting resources to research a certain product or to improve certain products.

There is time in getting funding, but their should be some time in getting the resources to research something to decide whether it is even a valid or worthwhile thing to pursue and alot resources too.

reply to post by grapesofraft


theres heaps of resorces though theres plants like bamboo that grows extremley fast that can be processed into duerable plastic and a plasma converter can turn waste products in carbon wich can be used in nanotech and organic farming so food can be grown forever in the same area well until the sun burns out

plasma converters exist today and there cool

All you need to do is to be able to interpret the original Matrix movie, metaphorically speaking, into this present day society. If you're unable to do this simple task, this thread, and your reasoning is pointless.