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Originally posted by rawsom
What's more, most skeptics have NOT made their mind about anything regarding subject of alien life. This is very important thing to understand, they have accepted that they do not know. This is the main big difference between those who have belief and those who are skeptics. Others have made up their mind, while others have accepted that there is a thing in universe they cannot know nothing about. That is, nothing for certain. I do love speculation, which is a great thing that human mind is capable of. In that, all roads are open until deduced not possible.
Originally posted by Malcram
Originally posted by rawsom
What's more, most skeptics have NOT made their mind about anything regarding subject of alien life. This is very important thing to understand, they have accepted that they do not know. This is the main big difference between those who have belief and those who are skeptics. Others have made up their mind, while others have accepted that there is a thing in universe they cannot know nothing about. That is, nothing for certain. I do love speculation, which is a great thing that human mind is capable of. In that, all roads are open until deduced not possible.
Hi Rawsom.
I have no idea about what 'most' skeptics think. I can say that, in my experience, many so-called skeptics seem to have their minds made up and firmly closed and do not bother to examine the evidence carefully or fairly. Many are happy to accept all sorts of things which they have not personally observed based on the testimony of others, and yet when it comes to the UFO issue they suddenly apply radically different standards, and so, avoid having to reach the conclusion which would be inevitable if they DID apply those same standards which are rightly applied to every other field of research. That is not real 'skepticism', that is 'Bogus Skepticism'.
Originally posted by MarrsAttax
It may have been the case thirty years ago but now when I hear about parallel universes, time travel, extra dimensions being talked about by serious scientists why is it such a stretch to believe in the possibility of extraterrestrial/extradimensionals visiting earth?
Originally posted by nablator
You have a serious misunderstanding of the nature of scientific evidence. There is just no compelling evidence of aliens anywhere, get over it.
... avoid having to reach the conclusion which would be inevitable if they DID apply those same standards which are rightly applied to every other field of research. That is not real 'skepticism', that is 'Bogus Skepticism'.
"Bogus skeptics cherry pick evidence on the basis of a pre-existing belief, seizing on data, however tenuous, that appears to support their position, while declaring themselves "skeptical" of any evidence, however compelling, that undermines it."
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Threads such as these are pointless. They serve only to make a certain group of believers feel better about themselves. I refuse to participate in them other than to urge you to focus on the evidence not on how much you hate skeptics.
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Threads such as these are pointless. They serve only to make a certain group of believers feel better about themselves. I refuse to participate in them other than to urge you to focus on the evidence not on how much you hate skeptics.
Originally posted by platosallegory
So we can examine the evidence while also pointing out how pseudo or bogus skepticism stands in the way of good evidence.
Originally posted by platosallegory
The skeptic wants to keep these things in the realm of possibility without weighing these things within reason so that all possibilities are given equal footing.
Let me ask the skeptics a question, can extraterrestrials or extra-dimensional beings be the most likely explanation for these things?
If no, please explain why.
Originally posted by Malcram
It's about identifying the flaws in the arguments skeptics use and learning to spot the 'bogus skeptics' hiding among the real skeptics who undermine rational and fair debate.
Originally posted by Malcram
Any why the concern? There are countless threads of infinitely worse tone in which scorn is heaped on various 'believers' in the community...
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Threads such as these are pointless. They serve only to make a certain group of believers feel better about themselves. I refuse to participate in them other than to urge you to focus on the evidence not on how much you hate skeptics.
Originally posted by nablator
Equal? You must be joking. If we're talking about UFOs, first comes Venus, then the Moon, satellites, meteors, aircrafts, balloons, kites and many other prosaic explanations.
Originally posted by nablator
Let me ask the skeptics a question, can extraterrestrials or extra-dimensional beings be the most likely explanation for these things?
No.
Originally posted by nablator
There is no way to prove a very general negative assertion like "no time traveler will ever show up" or "no UFOs are piloted by ETs".
You have stated your opinion, I have stated mine.
What conclusion? What are you talking about? ETs?
I know a few guys like that. They're as biased and illogical as some believers. Glad to hear you have nothing against real skeptics.
Originally posted by platosallegory
We use reason to weigh things all the time but the skeptic doesn't want to do this when it comes to evidence within ufology because they want all possibilities to share equal footing and that's illogical.