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Originally posted by rcwj75
Here we go again is right! Lets blow one incident out of proportion.
Originally posted by atsfanoffthescalez
oh brother , obviously you haven't encountered the bad cops... If you had you would have a totally different opinion. As it doesn't take much to become a police officer, I believe they need stricter rules and stricter recruiting practices, because alot of these guys are people straight out of highschool and still very much not ready for the job. I think they need mental checks and all that good stuff for this is an epidemic not an isolated incident.
yo fleabit check out my forced blood draw thread, I mean would you give your consent to a blood draw even though you've done nothing wrong? I think not...
[edit on 15-3-2009 by atsfanoffthescalez]
Originally posted by atsfanoffthescalez
oh brother , obviously you haven't encountered the bad cops... If you had you would have a totally different opinion.
Originally posted by atsfanoffthescalez
100-200 incidents that number seems low to me(bet theres like 1000 unreported)...
And yes it's not difficult to become a police officer, If you have half a brain you can become one. Sorry for being so non chalant, but I just feel thats the way it is.
I appreciate your service, but I for one don't like being racially profiled or falsely accused due to another humans negligence. I mean how crowded are our prisions? We are the biggest prison state in the world obviously there's something wrong.
Originally posted by rcwj75
Originally posted by aorAki
That's all well and good as a crisis control statement, but what do you have to say about the OP?
It appears to be becoming increasingly common.
As an 'insider' you must have some information you can share regarding this.
I think an officer made a mistake. Was he WRONG, I wasn't there, do not know ALL the facts. Reading the OP and going off the information given to me, I have no idea why he was worried about the camera and if he did the things as stated then I see or would think he could should be suspended. And depending on his history, I wouldn't want him on my team.
I did take the camera away from a bystandard one time a few years back. He was on a public street taking video of the scene and I went to ask him to stop. He told me to F-off, I'm on a public street, and all that jazz...so I snatched the camera from him and told him when the scene was clear he could have it back. No before you get as mad as this guy was understand something....the scene he was filming included a victim who was an 11 year old girl, WHO WAS STILL THERE while this JA was filming. Sorry but I WILL NOT let ANYONE film a kid, especially a kid who was just victimized for your own little game. Needless to say when we cleared the scene and he got his video camera back, MINUS the tape, he wanted my name, badge number blah blah blah...I told him sure thing, just make sure your MAN enough to tell the little girls parents/father that your sick behind was filming their victimized daughter. He said he was sorry and went home....because he knew there were limits. So no matter what you think understand there HAS to be limits on stuff like this.
Again my case is MUCH different then most of these but still. Common Sense should play a part. But as I said, if you really want to film me doing my job...fine by me. Just don't cross that line like I mentioned above, or bye bye camera.
Originally posted by verylowfrequency
The data should be ours unless a court Subpoenas it or it is believed to be a witness in a certain level of crime - not just because they want to destroy it. It would have to meet defined criteria before they could confiscate it or censor it. Now they just do what ever they feel like on a whim with each making up their own rules as they go.
Originally posted by Griff
Originally posted by verylowfrequency
The data should be ours unless a court Subpoenas it or it is believed to be a witness in a certain level of crime - not just because they want to destroy it. It would have to meet defined criteria before they could confiscate it or censor it. Now they just do what ever they feel like on a whim with each making up their own rules as they go.
rjc is the perfect example of this by taking away someone's camera for filming him while dealing with an 11 year old girl.
Originally posted by rcwj75
So let me get this straight. YOU want to be able to film an 11 year old girl who has just been rented out, pimped out, and forced to do sexual acts with the parents friends BY the parents for cash? You honestly think WE as LE shouldn't step in and protect this child from even further damage, i.e. being put on some douchbags video and that video ends up god knows where.
And anyone, ANYONE who thinks it should be ok to put a child on film like this in my eyes is a waste of space and that mindset is FAR more dangerous then a cop with an attitude problem.
Originally posted by fleabit
I feel bad for most cops. They have one of the most thankless jobs now, due to this sort of nonsense, they are painted as the 'bad guys' more often than not. They have to contend with all the drug dealers, crooks and dangerous criminals, and then deal with the public who wants to paint them as wicked, cruel members of some NWO.
Some are good but as many are bad? What utter hogwash. It's certainly easy to invent #'s like that — where is your proof? I'd say there are a fair # of cops that get power hungry and act like idiots, and set a bad example for all.
But I think it's the tiny minority.
So, in this case in particular, the way cops are being demonized by the public, I can understand why cops would NOT want to be filmed trying to do their jobs. They probably realize full well it's going to be thrown onto youtube, with edits and incomplete footage, to paint them in the worst light possible.
There are absolutely bad cops. And there are also bad teachers, fruit salemen, priests, dishwashers, maids, cooks, lawyers, judges, CEOs.. the list goes on and on. With cops, it's unfortunate, because the extra laws and power they have by virtue of having to do their jobs, can easily target them with negative press. So the bad apples have a very negative affect on the whole.
But I think it IS a fraction. They have to deal with crap from ALL sides. Apparently now, they are the enemy to ALL!
And people don't realize how screwed we'd be if there were no cops. We need law enforcement. I feel badly for them. It's a job I'd NEVER want now. Nothing but hate pouring to them from all sides, no matter what they do.
Originally posted by rcwj75
not to mention a drug test, oh and a credit history run. Does your job require all of this? Probably not...
Originally posted by rcwj75
We aren't perfect, never will claim to be, but the fact that people can't understand the human aspect of an officer really leaves me shaking my head.
Originally posted by Griff
Previously, you stated that you said to the guy about telling the parents/father of the girl about filming her. Well, you yourself, jus said that her parents/father were the ones pimping her out.
So what is actually against the law? Pimping out your own 11 year old daughter or filming her dealing with the police?
I think you (the police) need to get your priorities straightened out.
And anyone, ANYONE who thinks it should be ok to put a child on film like this in my eyes is a waste of space and that mindset is FAR more dangerous then a cop with an attitude problem.