Glenn beck is not your God

Watching Paulers and your typical libertarians here fall for Glenn Beck and Fox is just beyond me. I can understand that there are criticisms regarding Obama and the Democrats, or liberal ideology as a whole but honestly you fellas have got to wake the hell up. Glenn Beck is taking you for a ride and pulling the old "re-branding" stunt and his doing it all on behalf of the Republican party.



Glenn Beck sure has changed his tone over these years regarding Paulers and libertarians. In this video he certaintly had no issue comparing the "growing domestic terrorism" with Paulers... neither did Glenny boy have any issue agreeing with one of his guests David Horowitz when he stated that "Libertarians were virtually indistinguishable from the anti american lefties, totally in bed with the islamists".

And what did Ron Paul have to say about this?
www.youtube.com...

If at anything the mere fact Glenn chose to associate himself with the very rightwing fringe individuals that have insulted Paulers in the past and have purposefully ignored what he has had to say should be clear indication where Glenns agenda is placed.... in his paycheck and under the RNC mouthpiece.

Now there are numerous things Glenn has supported and promoted that no true Pauler would stand for. He had been a strong supporter of the Iraq war and has made every attempt to justify it while Paulers have been verymuch opposed to it and have made it one of the core reasons for their protests. Glenn sure loves comparing anti-war protestors as traitors of america and what she stood for and he has made it clear multiple times.



I think its pritty obvious Glenn is in bed with the rest of the fox and co. anchors... pritty sure Glenn is readily accepting of the republican party and what they did in the name of "conservatism" in the past. Its really beyond me that people can come on here, reference Glenn Beck and act as if his the new freakin Ron Paul. Guys just another neocon hack and you know what? He couldnt give an ass over what Paulers and libertarians really stand for, the man was hired by fox news to attract dis-effected rightwingers and Paulers for the neoconservative establishment, the man is just part of a re-branding stunt.

What amazed me more about Glenn Beck and the first video was how he went on about how crazy and beyond understand Paulers were in protesting against the government and calling for civil war. Just real funny hearing this come from Glenn....typical fear mongerer.



Hey Hannity had no problem welcoming Glenn to the show!



By the way I remember seeing Hannity somewhere before?... now where?



FOX NEWS SUCKS! from Ron Paulers themselves when they saw Hannity... looks like they have totally different feelings about hannity.

I think what angers me most is not just the fact so called "ron paul supporters" and "libertarians" who often do everything to seperate themselves from your typical neocon/conservatives actually now worship Glenn and are jumping on his bandwagon, its that fixed news has managed to use Paulers in their favour... and hows that? apart from re-branding attempts by neocons and fixed news there is also this attempt to mask the mishandling of the Bush administration and to push all of this mess onto the following administration.

I mean folks can just sit here and start going on about "oh if this was Bushh he would be treated unfairly! oh bush was not given fair media coverage!" I mean its as if Paulers now have officially forgotten about the very administration they so opposed and were critical of. Paulers are now justifying and minimizing the lies from the Bush administration, something Ron Paul himself made a center piece for his campaign... along with liberal bashing.

[edit on 3-3-2009 by Southern Guardian]

You know there use to be a time when I could tell the difference between your typical neoconservative and your Pauler. Now I cant tell a thing that’s different. Thanks to the re-branding attempt by fixed news, you all have been taken for a ride. I don’t agree with Ron Paul, I think his a joke.. I think this “revolution” deal is all hype, and actually happen to agree with Beck in his video, there are Paulers that do nothing but call for civil unrest instead of working on solutions… I well and truly believe that 80% of Paulers are just neocons following the crowd on the net and I know Paulers hate Obama and the Democrats more if not the same as Bush. That being said this whole promotion of fixed news by Paulers themselves is just something else. Its blatantly obvious everything Ron Paul himself stood for, some of his supporters have now turned to the very thing Paul himself stood against all these years.

Glenn beck is not your God, his just another neocon working for fixed news and Paulers are not doing themselves a service buying his crap.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
You know there use to be a time when I could tell the difference between your typical neoconservative and your Pauler. Now I cant tell a thing that’s different.

Neocon = not really conservative. don't follow the constitution. love big government and intrusive government at domestic and foreign levels.

libertarian = follow the constitution.

I don’t agree with Ron Paul, I think his a joke.. I think this “revolution” deal is all hype, and actually happen to agree with Beck in his video, there are Paulers that do nothing but call for civil unrest instead of working on solutions…

I don't agree with Barack Obama. I think he is a joke. I think his "change" mantra is all hype. I think Obamaniacs actually do nothing and call for change and social justice; when in reality its all an anti-elitist campaign to tax the rich and put the poor into government dependence.

I well and truly believe that 80% of Paulers are just neocons following the crowd on the net and I know Paulers hate Obama and the Democrats more if not the same as Bush.

What you believe is irrelevant. Paul's campaign was and is based on the constitution and constitutionality. And you're damn right we dislike Obama... his plans are gravely unconstitutional.

Glenn beck is not your God, his just another neocon working for fixed news and Paulers are not doing themselves a service buying his crap.

If someone speaks for the cause (constitutionality), his motives are unimportant. The message that he is putting out there is more important than his motives. This is primarily because the general public are, by and large, morons. They will believe what the MSM tells them to believe; and if Beck is sending them down the path of constitutionality then I'm all for it.

Beck isn't my god, but neither is Obama yours.

reply to post by 44soulslayer


Fixed news never gave a damn about the constitution or the anti-war Pauler protestors until their man went out of power and they knew Paulers and their gathering ability on the net. How convenient for them to all of a sudden act as if they give a damn.

Neoconservative a liberal? certainly thought they were well and true conservatives when they were paraded by the conservative base back in 2000 and 2004. All of a sudden Bush is a liberal who has nothing to do with conservatives. What an extreme way to distance yourselves from him.... tell me how did the "core conservatives" vote a liberal socialist in then? twice? and then outright support him and company?? Where were you in 2000 and 2004 slayer? Were you speaking out against that government this much? Were you speaking out at all that time?

[edit on 3-3-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Now now... if I may...

Sometimes, it doesn't matter what you call yourself, or how others label you. If you make a good solid and valid point, then people are going to pay attention and listen.

I used to listen to Rush; I thought that he had some good views that I agreed with. I didn't agree with everything, but enough to where he kept my interest. Same thing goes with Beck; I may not agree with him completely, but we do have some similar views.

I don't see one person being liberal, or another conservative. A well thought out point is still a well thought out point, no matter who says it. No one, and I mean NO ONE 100% completely fits any label 100% of the time. I am an extremist leftist who has moderate conservative views, from a right point of view.



And, for the sake of argument... I don't like Obama, but I am not against him; I'm waiting to see what he does with the sinking ship he was handed. And I disagreed with Bush on both elections.

If all of you people had just voted for Nader in the first place...

Oh, he is a showman...but yet as much as he bothers me you have to give him credit for being the only one to admit he has changed his way of thinking, and that he wishes he didn't know what he know realizes is true. He would like to think he is wrong. Write him and ask he will tell you. He wishes the NWO was a made up conspiracy theory.

I still can't believe Pelosi was re-elected. That alone shows a lot. Change? yeah, what I got in my pocket.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

Amen to the OP

Glen Peck is working hard for the machine that built BUSH... Muddy the truth and suggest an ideology that is the same that brought us to this point, vales in a new wrapper.The psychology involved is simple yet staggeringly effective as far as I can tell. Revise the truth slowly and shift blame for this disastrous position from BUSH to OBAMA - from bad CONSERVATIVE economic policy to "SOCIALISMS" and OBAMA.
WHILE completely IGNORING THE PRIVATE SECTORS HUGE share of blame for this mess. This is what is missing from the equation and it is criminal. BUSH let business take advantage, steel and destroy our economy. BUSH let these entities run FREE and WILD and here we go...BECK now suggests that the problem is business is not allowed to be FREE and run wild and that government intervention is LUDICROUS...

I'd like to see PECK in a dark alley that for sure

Anyhow

CONSERVATIVES eat it up, because the ONLY know way to STAVE OF A DEPRESSION is to correct supply or demand - in this case the supply of capital - in this case the FED's
are the only ones with such large sums - OBAMA has now infused the economy with that money and PECK and likes jump in and act as if the spending is unwarranted...

ONCE AGAIN ignoring the fact that BUSINESS gone wild was the root of this in the first place.

To compound it, PECK and other NEOCONS (not DAVID) pretend that OBAMA is spending just to spend. At the same time insinuating impending doom so that the
efforts of the GOV to correct monetary supply fails via FURTHER LOWERD CONFIDENCE.

IT's slimy as the day is long and conservative leaners eat it like cake, because it allows them to ignore the cause in the first place and not question the RR economic policies that started this ball rolling some 28 years ago...

BUSH'S redistribution of wealth via tax cuts and give aways
And BUSH turning a blind eye to ELITE ABUSES in CORPORATE AMERICA.

SIMPLE cause and effect -

SCREW the LAWS
coupled with laws that were INTENDED to help lower income families secure loans - did not help either....

The myth building continues and its not me spinning one out...

I would feel a fist fight would be more substantial than debating GENERAL PECK'S garbage.



www.abovetopsecret.com...

You should read my thread, OP SG - read it and you can visualize the manipulation mapped out...

And , I stand firm - IRAQ and now this makes me BELIEVE conservatives are not INDEPENDENT thinkers - easily guided.

FORGET HOVER blame ROOSEVELT

CLINTON STARTED THE WAR AND OBAMA CRASHED THE ECONOMY

God bless amerika

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Because the Republican party, for the last 20 years, has been fractitious.

Bush got voted in using the evangelicals and social conservative right. These people are not true conservatives, as their views involve a larger government intervention into private life.

Bush isn't a liberal, and I never suggested he was. You are quite deluded into thinkin that its as simple as conservative vs liberal. The real question is constitutional vs authoritarian. All your political parties fail when it comes to that.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Glenn beck is not your God,

I haven't seen the messianic language used in reference to Glenn Beck that I've seen used in reference to Obama. So I'm not sure why you said this.

I've seen Glenn Beck a few times. He says he's a Libertarian. His shows are usually pretty good. However, one time he was really obnoxious. He had a guy on who wanted to legalize a certain illegal substance. Beck acted rather immaturely towards him.

I don't watch him often enough to be able to say one way or the other on him. My limited viewing says he's usually okay.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Fixed news ...

You mean MSNBC? They are fixed. No news .. just agenda.

All of a sudden Bush is a liberal

Bush pretended to be a conservative. However, his actions - especially in the last half of the second term - show he definately wasn't a conservative. He was just a puppet of the NWO - just like Obama is.

I see no difference between Obama and Bush.
Just window dressing issues like Abortion.

If voting really changed things, it would be outlawed or a good example would be all the democrats like Pelosi who were elected in for saying they would end the war would be voted out.

Very.awesome.post S&F all the way
That being said

Originally posted by FlyersFan

You mean MSNBC? They are fixed. No news .. just agenda.

No, I don't think so. Fixed News, Faux News.
Can we talk about Scott McClellan admitting they handed Fox News (and Fox only) all the Bush Admin's talking points?
“There were (FOX) commentators and pundits who were useful to the White House.” Former Bush White House Press Secretary, Scott McClellan, Hardball, 7/24/08

steveyoungonpolitics.com... -for-a-private-meeting-with-president-bush-just-prior-to-the-2006-election-are/

I'm not understanding something.

Anytime someone stands up and speaks on behalf of the Republican party someone rushes to this site to discredit them. What are you guys so affraid of? Are you defining the Republican party by one man? What makes your party any better, I haven't seen anything that seperates them.

In the past few days we have had a thread to discredit Jindall, Rush and now Beck.

Maybe instead of attacking people who will not have anything to do with the Preisidency in 4 years you should concentrate on the Obama threads. God knows his actions of late need a little defending.

Why as soon as Obama does or says something someone rushes to this site to discredit him and his party?

Originally posted by awake_awoke
Why as soon as Obama does or says something someone rushes to this site to discredit him and his party?

He is the President, what he says or does affects you and me. What Beck, Rush or Jindall says doesn't affect me one little bit. When Bush was President this forum was filled with Bush threads. Those who supported Bush defended him, although I'm sure it didn't change any minds, but we did.

No one is trying to discredit the President except those who are in need of help. We question his decisions and call him out on it. Like we all should.

Our President needs his followers to defend him and you do that by attacking people who are pretty much irrelevant for the next 2 years or so.

By followers I am not insinuating that he is your messiah. Sad I have to specify that isn't it?

Originally posted by jd140

We question his decisions and call him out on it. Like we all should.

I couldn't have said it better.
No one in politics is entirely irrelevent. Four years ago, many would have called Obama irrelevent.

Originally posted by awake_awoke

Originally posted by jd140

We question his decisions and call him out on it. Like we all should.

I couldn't have said it better.
No one in politics is entirely irrelevent. Four years ago, many would have called Obama irrelevent.

Thats why I said they are irrelevant for 2 years or so. Depending on how soon they announce they are running this time around.