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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
My God, NO, NO, NO!!!
This PROVES that Obama is a fool. Isn't there ANYONE in his inner circle that can tell him that you cannot trust the Russians.
First of all, the Russians are providing Iran with help in gaining nuclear material.
Second, look at what Putin did in Georgia.
Third, as a former KGB, Putin's background makes it clear that HE cannot be trusted.
Bush was foolish enough to fall for Putin's "charms", saying that he looked into his eyes, and saw his soul.
Yeh, the SAME soul that ordered Russian troops into Georgia, and is threatening to take control of the northern polar area.
If Obama goes through with this, he has just given the Russians the signal to continue to take over former USSR republics, as well as Eastern European countries such as Poland.
It is no secret that Russia wants to PUNISH POLAND for their staunch alliance with the US.
Obama is throwing Eastern Europe under the train.
First, he continues the destruction of our economy,
then our culture,
and now our allies,
while Iran, with Russia's covert help, develops nuclear weapons, with NO COUNTERMEASURE.
I don't think Iran cares, they know they do not pose any threat therefore they have nothing to worry about.
This is what the future will hold, America will scrap its missile shield program without having Russia's cooperation on Iran.
Originally posted by jam321
Why would Obama make such an offer knowing that he would put himself in a dilemma if Russia said no?
Originally posted by jam321
Now if he withdraws the missiles, the Russians will view him as weak.
Originally posted by jam321
And whatever happen to Obama's plan of sitting down with Iran for talks?
Originally posted by jam321
Seems like he tried to circumvent or avoid those talks with this offer he made.
Originally posted by xmotex
Medvedev can bloviate all he wants, but what's going on now is haggling, like it or not.
Originally posted by xmotex
The installations will stay in the pipeline until the Russians come up with something to trade for it, watch. If not cooperation on Iran (mostly pointless anyway, Ahmedinejad is about to lose his job), then something else.
Originally posted by xmotex
There isn't going to be another Cold War, the Russians are in an even worse position to pay for one than we are, and the people in the US who were gunning for one are now wandering around DC looking for new jobs.
Yes, for power generation which is perfectly legal.
What did he do but respond in kind to stupid Georgian attack on Russian citizens?
Bush kept up the pressure with the new shield while moving NATO boundaries closer and closer to the Russian federation. What led you to believe that Bush ( or rather the American national security state) were 'fooled' by the Russians?
Which former republics are they taking over? Aren't most trying to join the European union and or NATO? How is Russia taking them over?
I dont see how Eastern Europe is better off under capitalist/western 'protection' than it was under the USSR and neither are Russians really.
There never was a 'ally' of the US that didn't regret being forced into the arrangement which largely rests on accepting US debt and creating a profitable environment for global corporate capitalism .
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Oh, I see, for power generation. Iran, the country that is sitting on one of the largest oil reserves in the world, needs more power.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
If there were living in Georgia, they were Georgian citizens, not Russian.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Russia has been eying the Ukraine for quite a while now.
You can't be serious? The amount of non intended humor is rather saddening.
Russians will welcome dialogue with Obama
www.dw-world.de...
Russian President Won't "Haggle" Over US Missile Defense Plans
Israel draws 'red lines' for Obama on Iran Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:24:20 GMT
Israel prepares a set of red lines for Washington to inject into its Iran policy as the current US approach toward Tehran rankles Tel Aviv.
The revelation that the White House will be briefed on its 'red lines' came ahead of a visit by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to Israel and the West Bank, during which she is scheduled to meet with various high-ranking Israeli officials.
The Israeli Foreign Ministry and the defense establishment have been working together to formulate a set of redlines for the newly-established US administration of President Barack Obama.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Yes, I am serious. South Ossetia and Abhazia, like it or not, Tovarich, are part of Georgia.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Just as the US would not allow individual states to break away, Georgia is not allowing South Ossetia and Abhazia to break away
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
regardless of how many ethnic Russians live there. If they love mother Russia, let them emigrate to Russia.
Sure, that'w why they told Obama to shove it, concerning Iran.
www.dw-world.de...
Russian President Won't "Haggle" Over US Missile Defense Plans
The Russian president welcomed the "positive signals" coming from the Obama administration with which he said he hoped to reach "agreements." "Haggling," however, was "not productive," added Medvedev on Tuesday, March 3.
The Russian president also said Obama's letter had not presented the issue in such a way.
Obama on Tuesday said the Times report did not "accurately characterize the letter" he sent Medvedev.
On Sunday, the Russia president was quoted as saying that Moscow was waiting for new US proposals to resolve the missile dispute.
Remember that there is also an issue of trust. Russia has many reasons to distrust the US, after various US actions of the last 15 years. Similarly the US is cautious of trusting Russia. This will take a while to overcome.
No sane person wants war, it is the insane we must worry about.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
My God, NO, NO, NO!!!
This PROVES that Obama is a fool. Isn't there ANYONE in his inner circle that can tell him that you cannot trust the Russians.
Originally posted by Foppezao
Pretty ironic, Reagan got the USSR financially on its knees in the 80's through the last arms race[of the cold war] with the Star wars program.
Now Obama bows before Russia to cancel the shield program.
One way or another the Russians already know the shield is worthless cause their RS-24 ICBM's can counter the shield.
Maybe the Russian still don't like those toys in their backyard and cooperate,
on the otherhand maybe they also make more profit from a war with Iran,
in fact both the US and Russia can gain some, still they're both the same countries with its militairy-industrial complex..its like xman_in_blackx said, they might be handy to each other..
Originally posted by Gregarious
Guy, you are absolutely right about the Demoncrats and the reBumblicans both being anti-our best interests. But you are not watching BO bin Kenya very much.
He was THE most leftist congressman, when he actually voted, not just 'present' votes.
We have another Adolph in power right now, thanks to criminal manipulation and funding by ACORN and others.
He is a very persuasive speaker, says what the people want to hear, and does the exact wrong thing, subtly.
If/when the whole thing about his actually being an illegal immigrant is exposed, all his signed laws will be moot.
There are currently massive demonstrations going on all over the US, in spite of the leftist medias' best efforts to squelch.
The Demoncrats will be set back to their Civil War status.
It may not happen right away, as he has Lucifers support.
But eventually, his destroying Americas' constitution and freedoms, not mentioning the reckless financial stuff, will make him the most hated man in America.
Many Democrats are actually good people, trying to do the right thing. They are just misled. Same with Republicans.
They are being misled by a lot of rich and powerful people who do not want the public to suceed.
America's government is the worst in all the world, with the exception of all the rest.
Originally posted by jam321
How do you think the Iranian's will respond to this effort?
We will trust - without verification - and even if we send in verification, the truth will be hidden from us until it is too late.
I think he is rather working his way up to these talks with Iran. At this point it is far easier for the US to hold dialogue with Russia rather than Iran. So if a consensus can be reached with Russia, US would be far more confident going into talks with Iran.
Russians will welcome dialogue with Obama, and frankly Russia has more pressing issues (economy, social concerns) to worry about right now than about how weak or strong America appears to be.