Report: Obama Offers to Scrap Missile Shield If Russia Cooperates on Iran

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Well, Folks, here is Russia's answer, hot off the presses:
drudgereport.com...

RUSSIA BRUSHES OFF OBAMA: NO 'HAGGLING' Tue Mar 03 2009 09:15:17 ET Russian President Dmitri Medvedev on Tuesday showed willingness to discuss the US-planned missile defense system opposed by Moscow, but without 'haggling' linking it to Iran.

In other words, Russia will accept nothing short of UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER by OBAMA. So much for his "touchy-feely-flower-power diplomacy.
When will they realize how much of a hole people like Obama are putting this country in?

Yup he knows we cant afford the system and that it is coming down anyways. Obama is just looking for an excuse to use for the American people to not realize the true reason why its coming down and that is because we are broke. Putin played it off like stfu who are you to come to me and tell me what to do....your broke. Wow sad times for America.

I have a feeling that Russia is not playing along with the NWO agenda.

They have Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela on their side. Not sure where China stands.



So I don't think a missile defense system is in Russia's best interest because it most certainly will not be worthless, as one poster suggested... It would make the EU that much more powerful over Russia if they indeed engaged in WWIII.

score 2 points for the EU and Israel... excellent strategy.

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Putin played it off like stfu who are you to come to me and tell me what to do....your broke. Wow sad times for America.

True, and it proves to me that he truly WANTS another COLD WAR, where he can "re-assert" Russia's place as a major player in the World.
We are all into hard times, but I guess the defense industry is having a ball now. Cold War means more weapons, not less.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by tjeffersonsghost

 

Putin played it off like stfu who are you to come to me and tell me what to do....your broke. Wow sad times for America.

True, and it proves to me that he truly WANTS another COLD WAR, where he can "re-assert" Russia's place as a major player in the World.
We are all into hard times, but I guess the defense industry is having a ball now. Cold War means more weapons, not less.

Oh no doubt Russia will try to capitalize on this and why shouldnt they? I mean lets face it when Russia went broke instead of standing down and showing a peaceful stance we pushed NATO right up to their borders further and further as they started to crumble. Russia has some deep resentment and now because of the two party crime family in Washington they are going to get to make some rules now. At lease we still have nukes so we will have a say in this world but they day of America running the joint is gone......

www.hurriyet.com.tr...

It is "not productive" to link talks over a U.S. missile defense system in Europe with Iran’s suspected nuclear program as proposed by Washington, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Tuesday. (UPDATED)


"If we are to speak about some sort of exchange, the question has not been presented in such a way, because it is not productive," he was quoted by AFP as saying when asked about a letter U.S. President Barack Obama wrote to him regarding the two issues.

and there went peace out of the window....

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by jam321

 

Do you think it is a wise move on Obama' behalf?

My God, NO, NO, NO!!!

This PROVES that Obama is a fool. Isn't there ANYONE in his inner circle that can tell him that you cannot trust the Russians. First of all, the Russians are providing Iran with help in gaining nuclear material. Second, look at what Putin did in Georgia. Third, as a former KGB, Putin's background makes it clear that HE cannot be trusted.
Bush was foolish enough to fall for Putin's "charms", saying that he looked into his eyes, and saw his soul. Yeh, the SAME soul that ordered Russian troops into Georgia, and is threatening to take control of the northern polar area.

If Obama goes through with this, he has just given the Russians the signal to continue to take over former USSR republics, as well as Eastern European countries such as Poland. It is no secret that Russia wants to PUNISH POLAND for their staunch alliance with the US.
Obama is throwing Eastern Europe under the train.

First, he continues the destruction of our economy, then our culture, and now our allies, while Iran, with Russia's covert help, develops nuclear weapons, with NO COUNTERMEASURE.

Georgian genocide in south ossetia forced Russia to move in troops

First, he continues the destruction of our economy, then our culture, and now our allies, while Iran, with Russia's covert help, develops nuclear weapons, with NO COUNTERMEASURE.

your economy was destroyed by Bush already, Obama cannot save you ,
the only person who can is ron paul ,by dismantling american empire and restoring the republic

Why would Obama make such an offer knowing that he would put himself in a dilemma if Russia said no? Now if he withdraws the missiles, the Russians will view him as weak.

And whatever happen to Obama's plan of sitting down with Iran for talks?

Seems like he tried to circumvent or avoid those talks with this offer he made.

Originally posted by jam321
Why would Obama make such an offer knowing that he would put himself in a dilemma if Russia said no? Now if he withdraws the missiles, the Russians will view him as weak.

And whatever happen to Obama's plan of sitting down with Iran for talks?

Seems like he tried to circumvent or avoid those talks with this offer he made.

Now if he withdraws the missiles, the Russians will view him as weak.

russian leaders knows usa is going to collapse, don't worry the more you remain in stupid arms race , the faster you collapse ,
russia wants your nation to remain in arms race, while obama is just trying to save USA from impleding collapse

I don't know if this makes sense but I think Russia loves all that money it gets from the Europeans who buy their natural gas! Why would you want to bite the hand that feeds you?

Originally posted by PammyK
I don't know if this makes sense but I think Russia loves all that money it gets from the Europeans who buy their natural gas! Why would you want to bite the hand that feeds you?

it has already formulated a major gas deal with chinese for which it will accept yuan , as USa and EU are in bad mess

The main thing that we can take from this is that the Kremlin pretty much told him to jump.

I bet that this was leaked from their side with the express desire to show that Obama can not play ball in the world court.

As the attack on Georgia shows, Russia has no concern for angering the rest of Europe. The deals that have been made with China also makes sales to Europe not a concern.

[edit on 3-3-2009 by s4dreamlnd93]

The Russians do not trust the West and especially America and not only that they can more than counter what the US has so why should it not back Iran. After all the US backs other nations dose it not.

Medvedev can bloviate all he wants, but what's going on now is haggling, like it or not.

The installations will stay in the pipeline until the Russians come up with something to trade for it, watch. If not cooperation on Iran (mostly pointless anyway, Ahmedinejad is about to lose his job), then something else.

There isn't going to be another Cold War, the Russians are in an even worse position to pay for one than we are, and the people in the US who were gunning for one are now wandering around DC looking for new jobs.

Aside from that, the Cold War was a contest between two ideologies - Putin's Russia is not about ideology but nationalism.

Originally posted by zappafan1
The current financial situation was CAUSED by the same people that want an end to anything even remotely connected to freedom, liberty and capitalism.

Freedom& liberty perhaps but not capitalism; where did you get that idea?Don't they scream bloody murder whenever a government discusses nationalizing banks and other vital sectors which proved that they could not regulate themselves to avoid total financial meltdowns?

Oh...... Einstein...... the anti missile system has worked five times in a row.

Nonsense. Both American and Russian ABm defenses worked fine in he 60's and have worked fine ever since. IF there is a 'problem' with ABM defenses it is in the fact that it would actually defend the American people from almost all forms of ballistic/air attacks thus robbing the imperialist of at least one excuse to go overseas and rob the not well enough armed poor of the world.

And, if anything is out of control and over budget, it's Americas entitlement programs and the 4.3 trillion dollars debt BHO has put us and our great grandchildren into.

Entitlement programs? The BIGGEST entitlement program ever has been the pentagon ( makes many millionaires every year) and no social program ( which the workers paid for in taxes any ways) has ever gotten within a small fraction of the defense budget. This nonsense about 'socialism' ruining America has GOT to stop when it's plain to see that it's the corporate capitalist ( which turn out to be socialist whenever they need a taxpayer bail out) which control and have systematically destroyed the world economy.

Stellar

Originally posted by zappafan1
Ummmmmmm .... excuse me? Have you not been paying attention?

Sure i have and the question is where you have been all these years?

Russia has been using it's quasi-democracy to re-arm and make preparations for becoming a world Communist power again.

Russia is about as Democratic as the US and Putin didn't have to steal two elections like Bush did. Keep the spiteful childish accusations about Russian 'democracy' ( as pathetic as it is) to yourself until you can admit the very large flaws with the system you attempt a defense of. As for 're-arming' Russia never disarmed any faster in the 90's than the US did so there was never much of a reason for a serious re-armament.

Russia was in 1989 the leader in strategic power projection ( who cares about carriers and blowing up third world countries such as Afghanistan) and it has maintained that lead up to this day. No need for 'stealthy' rearming required.

They've been doing it since the early 90's, so don't try to blame Bush on this.

Bush , 'mission accomplished, the hero, Bush?

On the other hand, BHO was surrounded by Socialist/Marxists and Communists since he was 9 years old.

BHO is as far from socialism/Marxism ( presuming you don't mean socialism for the rich which is most certainly not classical Marxism/socialism) as Bush/Clinton was and if you wish to make a argument to the contrary you are going to have to do a whole lot better than off handed accusations. And no, BHO seems hell bent on keeping up the self destructive economic policies Clinton reinforced and Bush defended.

Do some research on Axlerod and his parents.

Oh i have done research and nothing seriously suggests that Americans will be either much better or much worse off under BHO; he was after all bought and paid for by the same guys who gave us the little bush and will be advised by the same political hacks that server under both Clinton and Bush. Talk about revolving doors.

Stellar

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
So, the president is making this offer in hopes that Russia will help convince the Iranians to release the American hostages they're holding...

What did Carter offer the Russians for 'help' with the Iranian issue. What , ray tell, economic/military bargaining power did the US have in that time to get the Russians to do anything they didn't want to?

Wait, damn! Wrong crappy liberal president who's economic decisions are further wrecking a horrible economy he inherited... Sorry, I get confused sometimes.

Clearly. What was Obama supposed to do when this has always been why the banks and others hired him to become to next American president? Who believed OBama , or Carter, when they said they would 'fix' the economy? What the hell does it have to do with their alleged 'liberal' status when liberal in the US is about the same as right wing reactionaries in Europe?

I am not pleased with this idea at all. I have felt (and have posted this right here months ago when this missile shield issue was heating up) that this shield could be a catalyst to a second cold war and an arms race between us and the Russians.

The US is bankrupt and the Russians have already built up a very significant lead that Obama can't quickly fix by giving the US armed forces more money with which to blow up innocent Iraqi and Afghan ( and now Pakistani) civilians. The first cold war never ended any ways so how can the second one have started?

Furthermore, I said then and say now that a second cold war would be exactly what the doctor ordered to get us out of this economic free fall.

So you don't think it's the pentagon budget that seriously crippled the US economy in the first place? That IS funny. More of the same is the EXACT solution OBama's advisers are giving us on the economy and on the military front so how pray tell is that going to yield a different result?

Never in this country's history has the American middle class experienced a greater growth in wealth and status than at the height of the cold war.

Nonsense. The American middle class was created in the post war years ( late 40's to late 60's ) and have been under sustained economic attack from that point onwards. The second world war only made American people 'wealthy' in the sense that the American government failed to quickly undo the labor union system they had to implement to allow the US to win the second world war. Wars, hot or cold, have never created middle classes and they wont do so now.

I am 100% opposed to the US making any concessions or cutting any deals that lead towards anything but high tension between us and them.

Your about thirty years too late to stop the concessions that in my opinion gave strategic superiority to the Russians. Good luck on undoing that or trying to gain concessions from a country the US government is still desperately trying to undermine and impoverish at every turn.

Stellar

So, um, am I the only one who realllly likes the idea of a shield? Or two? Or five million. Especially one right over my house. One that protect me from missles and stupid people. (I have a list of stupid people -- starting with every politician and 99.99% of the media....) Okay, tell me what I'm missing. Why should I be against a shield? The crazy commies and alquaida (yes I know how to spell it, I just don't think they deserve it spelled correctly) really would love to kill us all, and they don't care about consequences.

reply to post by Ownification
To add the Biblical prophesy side to this, America has 6% of the worlds' population, and 56% of the worlds' wealth. (historically, earned and created, not stolen like they all pretend). We are the only superpower now. Many think America is Mystery Babylon which will be nuked by a coalition of Russia and China. BUT. Mystery Babylon is a CITY. America is a whole lot of cities. Maybe it is just Washington, or just New York. But if in fact Russia/China nuke anything in America, the missile shield would not be there. So I believe that the shield is only wishful thinking. However, Israel will SOON strike Iran with nukes, and quite possibly Mecca and Damascus as well. Iran is no threat with only one WMD. They are not going to nuke what they consider their own holy city, Jerusalem, and they are not going to start a war they know they would lose. So they have to have more nukes than just one. Israel does. ALL Israels' enemies will attack her, try to wipe her out. One nuke is not going to do much.

reply to post by StellarX

Guy, you are absolutely right about the Demoncrats and the reBumblicans both being anti-our best interests. But you are not watching BO bin Kenya very much. He was THE most leftist congressman, when he actually voted, not just 'present' votes. We have another Adolph in power right now, thanks to criminal manipulation and funding by ACORN and others. He is a very persuasive speaker, says what the people want to hear, and does the exact wrong thing, subtly. If/when the whole thing about his actually being an illegal immigrant is exposed, all his signed laws will be moot. There are currently massive demonstrations going on all over the US, in spite of the leftist medias' best efforts to squelch. The Demoncrats will be set back to their Civil War status. It may not happen right away, as he has Lucifers support. But eventually, his destroying Americas' constitution and freedoms, not mentioning the reckless financial stuff, will make him the most hated man in America. Many Democrats are actually good people, trying to do the right thing. They are just misled. Same with Republicans. They are being misled by a lot of rich and powerful people who do not want the public to suceed. America's government is the worst in all the world, with the exception of all the rest.

russia wins... obama admitts with it that he can live without the shield...