NEW- UFO Hunters - Feb. 25, 2009 - Area 51

UFO hunters is a great tv show. Here a clip on google video about large ufo's , from the tv show...

Google Video Link

Pretty amazing stuff these pilots encountered...

The season finale really tanked big time. Not only was Bob Lazar used as a main reference point, but I lost it when John Lear was brought in. The man believes there is a breathable atmosphere on the moon, and that the government has a Stargate (the Stargate one came up after the MGM movie was released). They then drove around a perimeter of a restricted area and acted surprised when the security detail showed up.

When the show wants to be good and informative, it can do so. When it wants to pander to the lowest common denominator, it can do that equally well. The last two episodes were much less than what I was hoping for. I kept my expectations low for this one, so the disappointment is not there. If they start of season three like they ended season two, I will not be there with them.

To those who want a download of this episode, save your time and keep that hour you will never get back.

Dont worry or take it too seriously, obviously they had to make a show out of SOMETHING and like it or not, Bob Lazaar is the man who really brought area 51 into the light. Personally he's always sounded credible to me and I think it would be very easy for the people in control to totally erase his history and make him seen like a loon.
UFO hunters has plenty of good shows too so just focus on those ok?

Besides take as entertainment and there's worse things you could have lost an hour on, like American Idol!

This show was really amazing, in my mind the witness's where extremely credible, they even had radar data in one of the events and to my mind there is no mistaking that those objects where as real as they said, and couldn't have possibly been anything human made.

Originally posted by teklordz
UFO hunters is a great tv show. Here a clip on google video about large ufo's , from the tv show...

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Pretty amazing stuff these pilots encountered...

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I totally agree on the John Lear thing. That man in my mind has Zero credibilty, although I still really like UFO HUNTERS.

I have been to the main entrance road and the infamous signs and was chased out by the "camou-dudes" but not before taking a few pics.

It was exhilarating but damn scary. That road is soo long and we were chased all the way to the highway by one of their trucks.

We also stopped at the "Area 51 Research Center" which no longer exists and had a "Close Encounter" drink at the Little Ale-e-inn.

That was probably about twelve or thirteen years ago.

Memories...

edit:
I just checked and it was in 1999 that I went.

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Here is a youtube link for those who want to see the 8 minute section they shot that shows the base during the day they shot it with a 1140 HD camera which they explain in the video.

www.youtube.com...





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Just wondering if anyone had tried the power demonstration with element 115


It should be easily testable in the lab...

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The world of secret government projects is quite parochial, because of that I am more likely to believe that vetting is imperfect, and that people without hard scientific credentials could be employed as part of secret projects. I think it is possible for someone with poor scientific credentials to be employed, particularly by subcontractors, adjacent or in tertiary roles to somewhere like Area 51. But not as a scientist. Generally even people who are qualified as scientists don't call themselves scientists unless they're actively engaging in science.

As far as I can see Lazars stories are just stories. His disappearing academic credentials are indicative of all of his Area 51 stories. It would be very difficult to attend any top universities without coming in to contact with other people. I don't know anyone who doesn't keep the certificates for their qualifications – there's too much work involved with getting them to not have a sense of pride. It would be like someone doing a marathon and not keeping the certificate. So I would expect other classmates to vouch for him and for Lazar to be able to produce certificates. Even in the event of a cover up. At the very least he should be able to produce his MS thesis.

His claims about element 115 don't add up either, from what I've read about elements over 100 and their half-life.

Over-all, in totality, I'm very sceptical of him.

One issue I had was about Bob Lazar claiming of all the workings going on at Area 51 and then the interview with the retired electrical engineer stating that he wasn't aware of any other projects because of everything being so compartalmentalized(?). He stated that when something was being tested in the open everyone was sent to the mess hall and blackout curtains drawn over the windows.
Fine. Bob Lazar claimed to be a pysicist, but was he that high up to be privvy to all the happenings at Area 51? If he was I'm sure the gov't would have kept some pretty tight reigns on him.
But on an affirmative note, I thought the bit on that new huge hanger was interesting.

Originally posted by atsbeliever
Bob Lazaar is the man who really brought area 51 into the light. Personally he's always sounded credible to me and I think it would be very easy for the people in control to totally erase his history and make him seen like a loon.

I couldnt agree more. As well as other creditable witnesses who have come forward only to be called liars and kooks.

Why would he make all this up....

Sorry, double post...

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I expected better of this show as it has been on a roll. With a few exceptions, this has been a good season. The finale was text book TV at its best, without anything new to add this time. The only thing they did was showing the actual base, which looked like any other Air Force base.

To keep a show on its toes, it is good to praise it when its good and tell them when it is bad.

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If the cammo dudes were serious about stopping you, they could have easily done so. Their main purpose is to keep out onlookers and curious people. Remember, it is a restricted access area, and they are authorized to use deadly force. I was in the military for over ten years, and I never messed around with the restricted areas. Those security specialists did not play if someone tried to penetrate the area.

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This is an article by Stanton Friedman on Bob Lazar. Stroll down until you see it:

www.stantonfriedman.com...

He brings up a lot of points, especially about element 115.

I also have issues with his claim to have immediately started working on what would have been highly classified projects, even though he would of been assigned more routine duties until his security clearances went through.

To answer why he is doing it: publicity and attention.

Originally posted by geo1066
... I thought the bit on that new huge hanger was interesting.

That's what I took away from this episode.
I liked the HD clarity of the pix from Tikaboo, and what a lens!

Someone who had been unaware of Area 51, its history and the cast of characters involved, might have gotten more out of the show.

Originally posted by jackphotohobby
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The world of secret government projects is quite parochial, because of that I am more likely to believe that vetting is imperfect, and that people without hard scientific credentials could be employed as part of secret projects. I think it is possible for someone with poor scientific credentials to be employed, particularly by subcontractors, adjacent or in tertiary roles to somewhere like Area 51. But not as a scientist. Generally even people who are qualified as scientists don't call themselves scientists unless they're actively engaging in science.

As far as I can see Lazars stories are just stories. His disappearing academic credentials are indicative of all of his Area 51 stories. It would be very difficult to attend any top universities without coming in to contact with other people. I don't know anyone who doesn't keep the certificates for their qualifications – there's too much work involved with getting them to not have a sense of pride. It would be like someone doing a marathon and not keeping the certificate. So I would expect other classmates to vouch for him and for Lazar to be able to produce certificates. Even in the event of a cover up. At the very least he should be able to produce his MS thesis.

His claims about element 115 don't add up either, from what I've read about elements over 100 and their half-life.

Over-all, in totality, I'm very sceptical of him.

Bob Lazar's "poor scientific credentials" are dubious only due to his records being erased...which can happen when top classified projects are a priority and keeping the "nothin's goin' on" status quoe.

George Knapp, who first interviewed him in '89 for the CBS affiliate KLAS-TV news, dug up that Lazar did in fact work at Los Alamos (they repeatedly denied this) by finding his name listed in their phone book and employees vouching that he did work there as well as former Area 51 employees corroborating his details and layout of the secret base.

I don't think one can work at a place like Los Alamos without having the scientific background and passing their rigorous/screening/interview/background checks.

As far as Lazar having a publicity motive, that's ridiculous. Lazar dodged reporters for months after anonymously coming forward. Then interviewed later, disguised. Finally, revealing himself later after attempts to intimidate him were ramping up.

He never cashed in either on this notoriety either. He is now out of the public eye, refusing further media requests. He divulged what he knew because the American public had a right to know what was going on there with impunity.

He had little to gain, actually being worse off for stepping forward. That takes alot of balls. Most people would not endure what he has.

As far as what he says about element 115 not adding up according to what you (jackphotohobby ATS member) read...there are alot of things that you will never know about, nor will be able to read about. There's still plenty of things that top scientists will not be able to comprehend for some time, let alone release it.

Gene mapping/genome project was science fiction not too long ago.


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I suppose I'm easily amused, so I liked this episode, but I was also slightly disappointed at the same time. I was hoping they'd get more people to speak out or something. But they did do some interesting things. I liked the HD footage and the talk with the former employee at the end. That guy said just how secretive it is even for employees at the base. Just working there doesn't get someone access to everything. And that hanger was pretty big!

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Bob Lazar's "poor scientific credentials" are dubious only due to his records being erased...which can happen when top classified projects are a priority and keeping the "nothin's goin' on" status quoe.

Even if you accept that on face value it doesn't explain why he can't produce his thesis, any kind of certificates, or tell sceptics to speak to people he met at university. I think Stanton Friedman is credulous and disagree with a lot of the things he's done - but I do think he did the background work on Lazar.

I contend that even in the case of an extensive cover-up he'd be able to say that he'd met various people at university.

It doesn't check out. Not because of a cover-up, but because he hasn't provided information that adds-up.

George Knapp, who first interviewed him in '89 for the CBS affiliate KLAS-TV news, dug up that Lazar did in fact work at Los Alamos (they repeatedly denied this) by finding his name listed in their phone book and employees vouching that he did work there as well as former Area 51 employees corroborating his details and layout of the secret base.

Was he an employee of LANL or a subcontractor? I think that he was a subcontractor in a non-essential role. Places such as LANL employ many people who aren't scientists. From office managers to people who clean out the urinals.

I don't think one can work at a place like Los Alamos without having the scientific background and passing their rigorous/screening/interview/background checks.

Working somewhere that does secret work doesn't mean you have access to secrets.

As far as Lazar having a publicity motive, that's ridiculous. Lazar dodged reporters for months after anonymously coming forward. Then interviewed later, disguised. Finally, revealing himself later after attempts to intimidate him were ramping up.

Sounds like a good back-story.

He had little to gain, actually being worse off for stepping forward. That takes alot of balls. Most people would not endure what he has.

Nothing to gain? He wasn't someone I think we ever would have heard of if not for his claims. Making extraordinary claims is a quick was to go from a nobody to a somebody. Most people don't go around making extraordinary, stunningly unverifiable, claims.

As far as what he says about element 115 not adding up according to what you (jackphotohobby ATS member) read...there are alot of things that you will never know about, nor will be able to read about. There's still plenty of things that top scientists will not be able to comprehend for some time, let alone release it.

I'd love to be wrong. I don't think Lazar has provided anything to change my mind.

Gene mapping/genome project was science fiction not too long
ago.

So was a great deal of other science fiction that, alas, remains science fiction.

I still want my rocket car and have a bit of a thing for green women.

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Was he an employee of LANL or a subcontractor? I think that he was a subcontractor in a non-essential role. Places such as LANL employ many people who aren't scientists. From office managers to people who clean out the urinals.

The extent of his role is the question to restate the context, however, he did work there*. And whether you've read the transcripts or seen the interviews, he knows physics, even built a rocket car..which they don't teach in office manager & urinal cleaning classes...unless that is part of a graduate degree.

*His name appears in an old telephone directory of Los Alamos scientists

*An article in a July, 1982 edition of the Los Alamos Monitor, which shows a picture of Bob by a jet car and refers to his employment as a scientist with Los Alamos.

Nothing to gain? He wasn't someone I think we ever would have heard of if not for his claims. Making extraordinary claims is a quick was to go from a nobody to a somebody. Most people don't go around making extraordinary, stunningly unverifiable, claims.

He did not gain anything financially, actually he lost jobs because of it. He did gain alot of public scorn for years though. Knowing the ramifications of this disclosure, he stepped forward anyway. So, as you said, most people don't go around making extraordinary claims...He endured alot of derision and bankruptcy to make his claims..not much incentive for him.

Re: element 115

I'd love to be wrong. I don't think Lazar has provided anything to change my mind.

So, your reasoning is; if there isn't something provided for you, then it cannot be true/change your mind.

Classified anything is not provided for your perusal, yet still exists like military weapons and recon planes/jets.

So was a great deal of other science fiction that, alas, remains science fiction.

As far you know...

I still want my rocket car and have a bit of a thing for green women.

I still want that real-time hologram video pojector device seen on CNN during presidential election coverage and have a bit of a thing for Latin women.

Lazar here enjoys his self built Rocket Car, the fruits of his graduate education in office managerial and urinal
arts and sciences:




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