Guardsmen to conduct urban training at Arcadia in April

Operation Urban Warrior:www.youtube.com...

(It is better to start at part 2 so you don't have to listen to Alex Jone's crap and silly music)

Part 2 of Operation Urban Warrior: www.youtube.com...

Part 3 of Operation Urban Warrior: www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Jenna


Did you look at any of the links we posted for you, to help you since you woudn't or couldn't find them yourself?

Since we did your homework for you, did you bother to look at any of them?

No? But you're still sneering and mocking?

Not good.

reply to post by OKCBtard


Thank you for the videos. Alex Jones is an alarmist though and turns everything into a major catastrophe.

War Games Come Ashore in East Bay
The exercises, designed to test humanitarian assistance, disaster relief and urban combat readiness in a 21st century coastal environment, will begin today at the former Oak Knoll Naval Hospital in Oakland.

Urban Warfare
Urban warfare is modern warfare conducted in urban areas such as towns and cities. As a distinction, warfare conducted in population centers before the 20th century is generally considered siege warfare.

Urban combat is very different from combat in the open at both the operational and tactical level. Complicating factors in urban warfare include the presence of civilians and buildings of all sorts. Some civilians may be difficult to distinguish from combatants such as armed militias and gangs, particularly if individuals are simply trying to protect their homes from the attackers. Tactics are complicated by a three-dimensional environment, limited fields of view and fire because of buildings, enhanced concealment and cover for defenders, below ground infrastructure, and the ease of placement of booby traps and snipers.

Wars aren't fought in open fields anymore. They are fought in towns and cities. If the troops do not train for urban warfare, bad things can happen. Specifically innocent people can die.

reply to post by Salt of the Earth


Are you still making statements and not backing them up? I thought so.

Did you read my response to the links that OK provided for you?

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
reply to post by Jenna

 

Did you look at any of the links we posted for you, to help you since you woudn't or couldn't find them yourself?

Since we did your homework for you, did you bother to look at any of them?

No? But you're still sneering and mocking?

Not good.

I dont understand what you and tard are trying to get at? Are you saying that because you can find a few links on youtube that are mildly corroborating, isolated incidents that arent really related to the Military, that you have some justification for your claims?

All of this arguing is merely symmantics. The facts of the matter are irrefutable. Simply saying you know something, and posting links to youtube, doesnt mean you suddenly have a foot grounded in reality.

If you want to go on believing that Gi Joe will shoot Americans, as long as they arent his sister, then go ahead. There are millions of dilluded people out there, spreading fear from rumor based, uninformed, theories with absolutely no basis at all. One more of you wont make or break anything.

I get the feeling that you two are just playing devils advocate, and if so, thats fine. Lets play that game to get different perspectives on different topics. If thats what is going on here, then lets openly admit it and stop verbally abusing eachother. Thanks.

I don't say things I don't mean.

And if I put up links to back up what I say, what else do you want from me?

Just wait and see I guess if the Army trucks pull up at your door to see what you have in your house and invite you to camp?

These things are definitely happening. I don't listen to Alex Jones for entertainment. I listen to him because he's the alternative media and actually reports the facts, not propaganda.

Factual videos from the mainstream media (ie hostile media) proving the military DID go out on Katrina and bang on people's doors, handcuff them and steal their guns and rifles -- that's not enough. Let's have some mocking and jeering about how negative, and just accuse me of saying things I don't mean to get a rise out of people.

What kind of proof are you looking for exactly? Probably what I said at the beginning, an Army truck pulling up in your driveway and rounding up your family for camp.

And I'm sure you never checked out any videos on the concentration camps either -- too negative. You'd rather wait and see them for yourself firsthand while you're being escorted in by a guy in camoflage and an assault rifle, right?

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
I understand there are a lot of illegals in our military now, join up and become a citizen. Also foreign mercenaries as per New Orleans w/ Katrina.

I assume you have sources for that ignorant statement? I'd like to see them if you would be so kind.

The troops didn't seem to mind walking up and down the streets of New Orleans, busting in people's homes who were high and dry, handcuffing them and taking their guns, old ladies, people who had no defense against vandals who were out everywhere prowling around. (probably mostly CIA and Mossad provacateurs or BATF, who knows)

Sources? I don't recall any reports of old ladies having their doors busted down and their guns confiscated by the big bad military.

Yeah, remember how FEMA was so "helpful" during Katrina, cutting the phone wires so the local police and firemen couldn't communicate, keeping the food and water away from the people?

And again, sources?

Sources??? Are you kidding? I was there helping family. Regarding the phone lines being cut, google it. Nagin and the head of St. Bernard Parish said it on CNN. Did you not watch the news during the event?

Eyewitness reports, mainstream media news report videos, no, not good enough for people who choose their own reality, these who are living in the higher vibrational levels than we slugs down below who have no imagination as they, who do not look to the love and light.

We're just slugs, all caught up in the reality and truth of the moment, don't know how to dream and imagine as they with their beautiful minds.

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
I don't say things I don't mean.

And if I put up links to back up what I say, what else do you want from me?

Just wait and see I guess if the Army trucks pull up at your door to see what you have in your house and invite you to camp?

These things are definitely happening. I don't listen to Alex Jones for entertainment. I listen to him because he's the alternative media and actually reports the facts, not propaganda.

Factual videos from the mainstream media (ie hostile media) proving the military DID go out on Katrina and bang on people's doors, handcuff them and steal their guns and rifles -- that's not enough. Let's have some mocking and jeering about how negative, and just accuse me of saying things I don't mean to get a rise out of people.

What kind of proof are you looking for exactly? Probably what I said at the beginning, an Army truck pulling up in your driveway and rounding up your family for camp.

And I'm sure you never checked out any videos on the concentration camps either -- too negative. You'd rather wait and see them for yourself firsthand while you're being escorted in by a guy in camoflage and an assault rifle, right?

First off, links from youtube are not proof of anything. Those links are not confirming your position on this. Show me a link from an official government website, saying EXACTLY what your claming, and then you'll have proof to post.

Second, there is a reason why people were being disarmed in the aftermath of Katrina, in New Orleans. THOSE PEOPLE WERE RIOTING, looting, and killing eachother and officals! Disarming looters in the wake of a natural disaster is just plain common sense. They didnt disarm the upstanding citizens, because most had ALREADY LEFT! Most, not all, but most of the people who STAYED, didnt stay because they wanted to loot or take some advantage of the chaos. They stayed because they couldnt get out. But some of the people that stayed, took advantage of the situation, and things like murder, robbery, and rape took place. In order to bring the area back under control, they had to take those steps for officer, soldier, and civilian safety.

This is the same thing Local, State, and Federal officials do to when someone has a deadly weapon, AND is using it for unlawful purposes; ie. murder, robbery, rape, ect.

So while you have some video clips that can be DISTORTED to reflect your idead of what is happening, that doesnt mean you are right.

If your waiting for US Humvees full of Gi Joes to pull up into your driveway and take you off to the FEMA camps for re-education, you'd better put your tin foil hat on and aim the point on top NORTH, to recieve the signal of what to do from the mothership!

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
And if I put up links to back up what I say, what else do you want from me?

That's just it, you didn't. OKC did it for you. And while I appreciate that he(?) did, they depicted events that police were doing, not the military, and the clips from Alex Jones about urban warfare were about a training exercise the military conducted in an empty area to train for when they are in the middle of a town during a war. As I pointed out in my last post, wars aren't fought in empty fields like they were 200 years ago. They are now fought in urban areas where buildings, alleys, etc. are used to gain advantage. Without proper training, our soldiers will be ill-equipped to fight in such a setting.

Originally posted by elston
Sources??? Are you kidding? I was there helping family. Regarding the phone lines being cut, google it. Nagin and the head of St. Bernard Parish said it on CNN. Did you not watch the news during the event?

Not much honestly because I was working 50+ hours a week, taking a full semesters worth of classes and trying to take care of my two year old son while my husband was overseas. I had my hands full and didn't have much spare time to watch the news, sorry. Which is why I asked for sources since I hadn't heard about it. That's what people do when information is new to them.

I've learned not to take anything posted here as fact without seeing where people are getting their information from and then going from there. The way a debate works, which most threads here arguably are, is person A makes a claim, person B asks where they got their information, person A provides something to back up that claim, person B looks at the source and then either agrees or disagrees and provides their own information that disproves the claims of person A. Sometimes person A skips step 2 and provides sources without being asked for them, but either way making claims and not providing evidence relegates those claims to the realm of opinion.

Sorry, buddy, but there are more ways to prove things than by words on a government website. Boy are you stuck in a rut!

A picture is worth a thousand words. Watching a video, aired by a hostile mainstream media (ie when the enemy admits your point, it's twice as convincing), of soldiers dressed for combat, in helmets, carrying guns, banging on people's doors in beautiful neighborhoods in New Orleans, six or eight of them tromping through the house, demanding the guns -- that is proof for me. And there were many, many such videos shown on television and also on the Internet.

Calling people tin foil hats because they point out the plain truth that is easily verified, even an eye witness who lived through it --

all I can say is you have quite a blind spot, buddy.

YES! I do have a blind spot!! To retarded fantasical claims of things have no salt! Finally, a post from you that I can agree with!

Your previous post that says that the news media is not condusive to people who wish to "create their own reality" is very telling. While I obviously dont believe everything I see on TV (quit doing that when I was like 10), on the same token you shouldnt believe everything in the alternative news sources. Which is apparently what you do, while creating your own reality. Someone says spontanious human combustion is on the rise, and you go put on fireman turnouts and stick an extinguisher down your throat.

SO, no amount of my helping you to control your paranoia is going to work, so, have fun in your own little world.

Originally posted by treemanx
YES! I do have a blind spot!! To retarded fantasical claims of things have no salt! Finally, a post from you that I can agree with!

Your previous post that says that the news media is not condusive to people who wish to "create their own reality" is very telling. While I obviously dont believe everything I see on TV (quit doing that when I was like 10), on the same token you shouldnt believe everything in the alternative news sources. Which is apparently what you do, while creating your own reality. Someone says spontanious human combustion is on the rise, and you go put on fireman turnouts and stick an extinguisher down your throat.

SO, no amount of my helping you to control your paranoia is going to work, so, have fun in your own little world.

Excuse me, but the evidence offered was from the mainstream media -- ABC News and other local TV stations that were reporting a Reuters story. The other source was somebody who said he lived through it himself.

These are not "alternative media."

If you hate alternative media, think it's all hokem, what are you doing on this site? Hmmm?

And I think calling me paranoid and my claims are "retarded." I think this is against posting rules to speak to people this way, is it not?

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
And if I put up links to back up what I say, what else do you want from me?

Originally posted by Jenna
That's just it, you didn't. OKC did it for you.

No, I put up the link to the ABC story that showed the soldiers in camoflage and helmets and military rifles stomping through the suburbs of New Orleans, banging on people's doors, handcuffing women, demanding their guns. Soon as I posted my reply to you telling you to go search your own links, I changed my mind and went online and grabbed it for you. You're welcome.

Originally posted by Jenna
And while I appreciate that he(?) did, they depicted events that police were doing, not the military,

Well, you should have looked at my ABC link that I posted. It was soldiers, not police.

Originally posted by Jenna
and the clips from Alex Jones about urban warfare were about a training exercise the military conducted in an empty area to train for when they are in the middle of a town during a war. As I pointed out in my last post, wars aren't fought in empty fields like they were 200 years ago. They are now fought in urban areas where buildings, alleys, etc. are used to gain advantage. Without proper training, our soldiers will be ill-equipped to fight in such a setting.

You don't practice your war games on American citizens, scare them so they pee their pants and have a heart attack. Come on. You want people landing helicopters in your back yard, blowing up cars and buses on Main Street as though it were all real, and then later on say, Oh it was a drill? They even do this stuff by busting into the schools and dress up with hoods, tell the kids and teachers its terrorists, hold them at bay, make them use the wastebasket for a toilet, so they can get "used" to a terrorist heist. One teacher had to quit her job after this happened. This is what's happening around the country, and it is WRONG.

I don't blame you for finding it hard to believe, but now that you've seen that it's true, don't make excuses for it just to save face. Who cares about saving face? We just need to wake each other up, all of us, before we all end up in the soup.

Originally posted by elston
Sources??? Are you kidding? I was there helping family. Regarding the phone lines being cut, google it. Nagin and the head of St. Bernard Parish said it on CNN. Did you not watch the news during the event?

Originally posted by Jenna
Not much honestly because I was working 50+ hours a week, taking a full semesters worth of classes ...Which is why I asked for sources since I hadn't heard about it. That's what people do when information is new to them.

You flat out said I was wrong, called me an idiot or something. Since you admit now you didn't know what you were talking about, you should not have called me an idiot, or whatever you said. You should have gone and done a Google to check out what I said if you found it hard to believe. THEN you can come back on the board and call me names. Don't you agree? Even after the links were posted, you were and still are calling me names.

People need to learn how to say three very special words: "I was wrong." Life would be so much nicer of people would do that.

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
No, I put up the link to the ABC story that showed the soldiers in camoflage and helmets and military rifles stomping through the suburbs of New Orleans, banging on people's doors, handcuffing women, demanding their guns. Soon as I posted my reply to you telling you to go search your own links, I changed my mind and went online and grabbed it for you. You're welcome.

I had already responded to OKC's post about the same video prior to your adding it in your edit. Sorry I didn't go back to double check and make sure your post hadn't changed. I was unaware that I needed to.

And as I said when I responded to it once before, it was very clearly the police who were pounding on doors and confiscating guns. You could clearly see their police patches. And yes the military was there, as back up during a natural disaster. That's what they do. The National Guard responds to natural disasters when called up by the Governor.

You don't practice your war games on American citizens, scare them so they pee their pants and have a heart attack. Come on. You want people landing helicopters in your back yard, blowing up cars and buses on Main Street as though it were all real, and then later on say, Oh it was a drill? They even do this stuff by busting into the schools and dress up with hoods, tell the kids and teachers its terrorists, hold them at bay, make them use the wastebasket for a toilet, so they can get "used" to a terrorist heist. One teacher had to quit her job after this happened. This is what's happening around the country, and it is WRONG.

First I've heard of the military blowing up cars or buses on Main Street. Which Main Street? Which town? When did this happen? I haven't heard of them making kids get "used" to a terrorist heist before either.

I don't blame you for finding it hard to believe, but now that you've seen that it's true, don't make excuses for it just to save face. Who cares about saving face? We just need to wake each other up, all of us, before we all end up in the soup.

I'm not trying to "save face". Why would I need to? You claimed that there are all kinds of illegals in the military, so I asked for a source. Which by the way I'm still waiting for. You claimed that the military was going door to door and snatching weapons from people, I asked for sources. Turns out it was the police of New Orleans who were confiscating guns.

You flat out said I was wrong, called me an idiot or something.

No, I said your claim that there are "a lot of illegals in the military now" was ignorant. I never called you an idiot.

Since you admit now you didn't know what you were talking about, you should not have called me an idiot, or whatever you said. You should have gone and done a Google to check out what I said if you found it hard to believe. THEN you can come back on the board and call me names. Don't you agree? Even after the links were posted, you were and still are calling me names.

Once again, I didn't call you an idiot. I didn't call you anything. I called your claim ignorant, which if you care to check the T&C isn't against the rules. I was not discussing you with that comment I was discussing your claim. And again, if you make a claim it's your job to back it up not mine. Don't see me making claims without backing them up myself do you? Nope. If I make one, I back it up. I don't expect someone else to do the leg work for me. And I have been looking up your claims, but that doesn't mean that I am required to prove them for you or even that I am required to disprove them. You are so convinced you are right about everything so lets see something that backs you up.

edit: fixed quote tags

[edit on 21-2-2009 by Jenna]

Go look at the post I put up. I deliberately chose something that would not confuse you, skipped over a lot of the posts that the other person put up.

It is the M-I-L-I-T-A-R-Y banging on the doors. Not the police.

In fact, the police were stood down by the feds. The phone lines, communication lines, were cut by FEMA because they DID NOT WANT THE LOCALS INVOLVED.

The police had to repair those wires by holding the feds at bay with their weapons.

Read up on what happened in Katrina.


P.S: Jenna, there is no reason for your hostility to me. It's not my fault what is happening. I hate it as much as you do. I wish I were wrong. So does Alex Jones who has been warning people for 15 years now, making films, documenting all this stuff about martial law, the police state, the plans of the elite. They have reports and journals that people can read, people who are interested enough to do so, and Alex Jones did that. He went out and documented what was happening, made films on a shoestring that look like million dollar efforts, with a lot of original footage that is shocking and disturbing.

Hiding our heads isn't going to make this all go away. It's happening now. It's all coming down on our heads at this moment. The military is getting ready to launch an attack against us right here in America, our own military.

They did it in New Orleans, and don't think they won't or can't do it in another place, or in the whole country.




[edit on 22-2-2009 by Salt of the Earth]

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
Go look at the post I put up. I deliberately chose something that would not confuse you, skipped over a lot of the posts that the other person put up.

It is the M-I-L-I-T-A-R-Y banging on the doors. Not the police.

Really? Cause I watched the video and while the military was knocking on doors to find the people who still hadn't left, it was the police who were taking the guns.

In fact, the police were stood down by the feds. The phone lines, communication lines, were cut by FEMA because they DID NOT WANT THE LOCALS INVOLVED.

Still not the military.

P.S: Jenna, there is no reason for your hostility to me.

Any hostility you percieve is imaginary. I have none.

It's not my fault what is happening. I hate it as much as you do. I wish I were wrong.

Didn't say it was. And you are wrong on several points.

So does Alex Jones who has been warning people for 15 years now, making films, documenting all this stuff about martial law, the police state, the plans of the elite.

I don't consider ranting and raving about things that aren't happening to be warning people. More scaring people needlessly.

They have reports and journals that people can read, people who are interested enough to do so, and Alex Jones did that. He went out and documented what was happening, made films on a shoestring that look like million dollar efforts, with a lot of original footage that is shocking and disturbing.

He videos soldiers conducting training exercises and then claims they are going to take over towns.

Hiding our heads isn't going to make this all go away. It's happening now. It's all coming down on our heads at this moment. The military is getting ready to launch an attack against us right here in America, our own military.

As I said, too much paranoia can't be good for you. And I have yet to see definitive proof that they are going to launch an attack on US citizens. In fact, all I have seen is proof that they are training, as they should be.

They did it in New Orleans, and don't think they won't or can't do it in another place, or in the whole country.

Thank you, Alex Jones, for stopping the military gun confiscation "drill" in Iowa.

God bless you, Alex Jones, American hero.

We all should take Alex's example to heart, see what good can come from exposing the NWO and it's wicked plans to destroy America, to kill most of us, to use the police and military to crush and enslave us.

I've been listening to Alex's broadcast this past weekend, the replay on KLBJ radio, and Alex is not crowing about the so-called "retreat" by the plans to stage gun confiscation "drills" in Iowa.

He says it's a lie, that they will do it anyway.

He says it's typical military propaganda. When you are at war, you lie to the enemy (that's us, the American people, the "enemy,") and before you charge and gun people down you first tell them, it's okay, we're here for peace, and nobody will get hurt, just come on out and everything will be fine." Then when you come out, as the Branch Dividians did, you then gun them down.

As they say, "All's fair in love and war."

In war you lie. Alex says the Pentagon spends, I think he said $60 billion a year on propaganda to give a good image to the military. I might not have that figure exactly right, but close. Anybody watch the disgusting "Citizen Soldier" propaganda ads played during the SuperBowl? Catch Alex online, some clips, how he blows the lies apart in that ad.

I heard Alex interview the colonel in charge of the Iowa drill. I was happy to believe they had pulled back, but if Alex says not to believe them, I figure he knows, since he was the one who got the Guard to back down on this horrendous plan to "practice" taking the firearms, busting gun shop dealers to get their lists and then proceeding house to house -- which is what the "drill" was supposed to teach. I see no reason to think it was a pretend thing, that any town would agree to such a thing, "You can practice on us but don't take our guns, just practice so you can figure out how to go take somebody else's" -- it just doesn't make sense.

Northcom is over the United States, openly works for offshore banks, openly carrying out operations against the American people. Remember New Orleans and Katrina as a foretaste of what the military is going to do to us, the American people.

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
I was happy to believe they had pulled back, but if Alex says not to believe them, I figure he knows

That right there is by far one of the most frightening statements I have ever read. You put way too much faith into what comes out of his mouth. But at least I now understand why you post some of the things you do. You have completely given up thinking for yourself and take everything Alex Jones says as gospel.

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
I was happy to believe they had pulled back, but if Alex says not to believe them, I figure he knows

That right there is by far one of the most frightening statements I have ever read. You put way too much faith into what comes out of his mouth. But at least I now understand why you post some of the things you do. You have completely given up thinking for yourself and take everything Alex Jones says as gospel.

AMEN Jenna,

second line.