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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Originally posted by jfj123
Everyone that breaks the law IS a criminal by definition. I can't believe you actually posted that to try and make me look like the bad guy.
Then that means that everyone is a criminal
Have you ever done jaywalking?
Everyone has
Ever watched a fox news or cnn video on youtube? Copyright infrigment
here's some more laws that would make how many criminals?
· Alabama- It was illegal to wear a false moustache in church if it made people laugh
· California- Anyone setting a trap for a mouse had to have a permit
· Florida- All residents had to wear clothing while bathing in a bathtub
· Georgia- beach lifegaurds had to wear bright red bathing suits and a harness around their necks connected to a 200-foot-long lifeline
· Hawaii- Barbers were not permitted to lather their customers with a shaving brush
· Idaho- No one could buy a chicken after dark without permission from the sheriff
· Indiana- Taking a bath in the wintertime was forbidden
· Iowa- It was illegal for a woman NOT to wear a corset.
· Kansas- It was illegal to exhibit the eating of snakes.
· Kentucky- A man could not buy a coat unless his wife was along to help in the selection
· Louisiana- Whistling on Sunday was forbidden.
· Maine- Walking the streets with one's shoelaces undone was forbidden.
· Maryland- It was illegal in parts of Maryland to mistreat an oyster.
· Massachusets- It was illegal to show movies that lasted more than twenty minutes
· Michigan- A womans hair was property of her husband.
· Minnesota- Men's and woman's underwear could not be hung on the same clotheslineat the same time.
· Mississippi- It was illegal to soap railroad tracks
· Nebraska- A person who sneezed in public could be fined.
· Nevada- It was illegal to drive camels onto main highways.
· New Jersey- No one was permitted to delay or detain a homing pigeon.
· New Mexico- Bicycle horns had to have a harmonious sound.
· New York- Card playing on a train was against the law.
· North Carolina- It was illegal to sing out of tune.
· North Dakota- It was illegal to trap birds in a cemetery.
· Oklahoma- It was illegal to eavesdrop.
· Oregon- It was illegal for a dead person to serve on a jury.
· Pennsylvania- There was a 45 cent fine for cursing, but if the name of God were mentioned, the fine went up to 65 cents.
· South Carolina- All citizens were required to carry guns to church.
· South Dakota- An 80 year old woman could not stop in the street to talk to a young married man.
· Tennessee- It was illegal for a motorist to drive unless he had warned the public one week in advance by inserting a notice in the newspaper.
· Texas- A man carrying a pair of plierscould have been sent to prision.
· Utah- it was illegal to wear shoes with heels higher than one and a one-half inches.
· Vermont- It was illgal to paint a horse.
· Virginia- It was illegal to have bathtub it the house.
· Washington- It was illegal to hunt ducks from a rowboat unless one were upright and visible from the waist up.
· West Virginia- It was illegal to sneeze on a train.
· Wisconsin- For each meal sold costing 25 cents or more a small peice of cheese had to be served.
· Wyoming- A license was required to take a picture of a rabbit during Janurary, February, March or April.
As drug cartels continue to terrorize Mexico, Texas officials are planning for the worst-case scenario: how to respond if the violence spills over the border, and what to do if thousands of Mexicans seek refuge in the United States.
Along with Pakistan, Mexico was identified in a Department of Defense report last year as a country that could destabilize rapidly.
If that were to happen, officials are concerned that the drug violence could cross the Rio Grande into southern Texas.
"Do you strengthen the borders so people cannot get in by the thousands every day, or do you create detention centers where people are held until their status is determined?" asked state Sen. Dan Patrick. "This is a potential refugee problem..."
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
reply to post by Jenna
No it's not comparable of course
that was in response to jf's statement that anyone who breaks the law is a criminal
Societies define crime as the breach of one or more rules or laws for which some governing authority or force may ultimately prescribe a punishment.
The label of "crime" and the accompanying social stigma normally confine their scope to those activities that are injurious to the general population or the State, including some that cause serious loss or damage to individuals. The label is intended to assert an hegemony of a dominant population, or to reflect a consensus of condemnation for the identified behavior and to justify a punishment imposed by the State, in the event that an accused person is tried and convicted of a crime.
to those activities that are injurious to the general population or the State, including some that cause serious loss or damage to individuals.
Originally posted by Jenna
I have read every single one of your posts, they just don't make any sense to me. This is why I have only commented a few times. I'm just trying to figure out what thought process has gotten you to the point where every white person in the US is the descendant of people who raped and murdered everyone they saw as soon as they set foot on this continent.
Originally posted by Jenna
I'm trying to figure out what thought process has gotten you to where the effects of illegal immigration is as benign as not having a permit for a mouse trap. I'm trying to figure out why you don't seem to understand that while yeah everybody has broken a law at one point or another whether it was speeding or not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign, those who do should accept punishment for breaking the law.
Originally posted by Jenna
If I speed, I get a ticket, I pay the ticket. I broke the law, was punished, and accepted punishment. If I continue to speed they will take my license away. If I don't pay my ticket they will take my license away. If I drive without a license I go to jail. If someone enters the country illegally, they broke the law, they should be sent back to whichever country they came from, that's the punishment, and if they want to come back they should do it legally. If they continue breaking the law, they shouldn't be given a free pass just because they are forcing their way in and taking what they want.
I am NOT comparing petty crime or misdeameanors to illegal immigration.
Then that means that everyone is a criminal
Have you ever done jaywalking? Everyone has
Ever watched a fox news or cnn video on youtube? Copyright infrigment
here's some more laws that would make how many criminals?
· Alabama- It was illegal to wear a false moustache in church if it made people laugh
· California- Anyone setting a trap for a mouse had to have a permit
· Florida- All residents had to wear clothing while bathing in a bathtub
· Georgia- beach lifegaurds had to wear bright red bathing suits and a harness around their necks connected to a 200-foot-long lifeline
· Hawaii- Barbers were not permitted to lather their customers with a shaving brush
· Idaho- No one could buy a chicken after dark without permission from the sheriff
· Indiana- Taking a bath in the wintertime was forbidden
· Iowa- It was illegal for a woman NOT to wear a corset.
· Kansas- It was illegal to exhibit the eating of snakes.
· Kentucky- A man could not buy a coat unless his wife was along to help in the selection
· Louisiana- Whistling on Sunday was forbidden.
· Maine- Walking the streets with one's shoelaces undone was forbidden.
· Maryland- It was illegal in parts of Maryland to mistreat an oyster.
· Massachusets- It was illegal to show movies that lasted more than twenty minutes
· Michigan- A womans hair was property of her husband.
· Minnesota- Men's and woman's underwear could not be hung on the same clotheslineat the same time.
· Mississippi- It was illegal to soap railroad tracks
· Nebraska- A person who sneezed in public could be fined.
· Nevada- It was illegal to drive camels onto main highways.
· New Jersey- No one was permitted to delay or detain a homing pigeon.
· New Mexico- Bicycle horns had to have a harmonious sound.
· New York- Card playing on a train was against the law.
· North Carolina- It was illegal to sing out of tune.
· North Dakota- It was illegal to trap birds in a cemetery.
· Oklahoma- It was illegal to eavesdrop.
· Oregon- It was illegal for a dead person to serve on a jury.
· Pennsylvania- There was a 45 cent fine for cursing, but if the name of God were mentioned, the fine went up to 65 cents.
· South Carolina- All citizens were required to carry guns to church.
· South Dakota- An 80 year old woman could not stop in the street to talk to a young married man.
· Tennessee- It was illegal for a motorist to drive unless he had warned the public one week in advance by inserting a notice in the newspaper.
· Texas- A man carrying a pair of plierscould have been sent to prision.
· Utah- it was illegal to wear shoes with heels higher than one and a one-half inches.
· Vermont- It was illgal to paint a horse.
· Virginia- It was illegal to have bathtub it the house.
· Washington- It was illegal to hunt ducks from a rowboat unless one were upright and visible from the waist up.
· West Virginia- It was illegal to sneeze on a train.
· Wisconsin- For each meal sold costing 25 cents or more a small peice of cheese had to be served.
· Wyoming- A license was required to take a picture of a rabbit during Janurary, February, March or April.
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
reply to post by jfj123
Listen, it's not a reply to the entire thread
it was a reply the ONE post where you said if you break ANY law you are a criminal
is that beyond everyone's comprehension?
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
if you go through my posts in this thread you will see that I don't think that every us person is a descendant of an illegal. But many yes.
Whether you want to remember or not, whether you think it's currently important or not all white caucasians in North America are the sons and daughters of not only illegal immigrants but crusaders that came here with Genocide as their passports.
So the logic where, your grandfathers crusaded over here, then killed, raped, murdered the natives and then stuck the rest of them in 'reservations', and now after settling here through amnesty(because children born here are citizens even though their parents are immigrants) you call other illegals immigrants when they are just more peaceful and hungry versions of you great grandfathers is so very sad and has no logic whatsoever.
if your parents came here legally then correct me if i'm wrong but you are not a white caucasian.
Your race does not own this land, and it is imperative that you understand this.
I never said everyone is an illegal immigrant you must have not understand my post.
All Caucasians are DESCENDANTS of illegals
Are you serious
the first statement here quoted i already replied to it on this SAME PAGE.
I am NOT comparing petty crime or misdeameanors to illegal immigration.
and to ur 3rd point quoted so everyone is a criminal?
Dude ur gonna have to at least come up with one argument at the very least where I don't say look at my prior posts.
1) I believe in stronger border security while you all only speak in a derogatory manner against illegals
2) I am not saying illegals shouldn't be deported or tried, but why focus on them and not a weak infrastructure to keep them out?
3) I am against the strong anti-illegal sentiment.
How many times do I have to repeat this in this thread?
Originally posted by Primordial
ModernAcademia
Forget about what happened 100's of years ago. You can debate the morality of past events all you like, it doesn't change what's happening NOW. The illegals are crossing the borders NOW,
Originally posted by Primordial
against the laws of the land they are entering, thus the label of "illegals". If you think the world should be some other way that's fine but as of NOW, it's not. We have laws just like Canada does. I'm sure as a perfect citizen you follow the laws of the nation in which you reside. What we expect is that those entering ours do the same. If their first act in our nation is committing an illegal act, I have little sympathy for them. Their first act was to disrespect the laws of the land they are entering.
Originally posted by Primordial
If the government does a poor job of securing the borders after being repeatedly asked for help, what are people affected by this supposed to do?
Originally posted by Primordial
If some of the people crossing the border are intent on criminal activity, how do you differentiate them from some poor person just looking for a better life?
Originally posted by Primordial
If your home, or your neighbors homes, were targeted by this criminal element, would you defend yourself knowing the government will not?
Originally posted by Primordial
Through various statements you seem at once to think everyone should just 'deal' with it because of some illogical reasoning, then go on to imply stronger border security should be the answer. The problem is those people 'dealing' with the problem have asked for stronger security only to be ignored.
Originally posted by Primordial
Again, please forget about what someone somewhere did 2 or 3 hundred years ago. The people on the border NOW didn't conquer, rape and pillage any native races. They are having problems NOW. Just answer the questions without a long diatribe about past injustices which no one alive today had anything to do with.
Originally posted by Primordial
ModerAcademia,
I see you have avoided or skirted around some questions asked of you in this thread by others and myself.
Please answer my questions on page 15 of this thread.
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Right now the same thing is happening in Iraq
How do you differentitate between criminial american citizens vs. loyal law abiding american citizens?
Originally posted by Primordial
If your home, or your neighbors homes, were targeted by this criminal element, would you defend yourself knowing the government will not?
You are not speaking out of experience.
you are trying to only empathize with perhaps a rancher that may look like you.
focus on the root of the problem not the symptoms