Santelli Sreaming for Sanity and ACTION!!

144,061 voting, 93% in favor.

Originally posted by John Matrix

Originally posted by dawnstar
and yet...
they are still crying socialist when it comes to putting a roof over a needy person's head!!

I take it that you and I have some agreement on this issue?

to an extent, ya..
but well, in the US, our social service does more to create those irresponsible needy people than anything else....
ya see, if you are a stay at home mom with little ones, and well, you have a child with a chronic illness, or maybe you do, well, the cost of insuring you and your kids is liable to blow you budget!! or at least that's how it was when I was raising my kids. so, what are you going to do? let the kid or yourself go without the medical attention, jump from doctor to doctor because you can't pay for the service, or are you gonna let the government reward you for being irresponsible and kicking the only wageearner out of the house and let the government take care of all your needs...
so that these "conservatives" can use you as an example whenever someone gets the idea that those working families out there that are finding themselves in a bind might need a little help.
by denying those working families a little assistance now and then, you are creating more of those "irresponsible" people who are gonna be needing you assistance 24/7!!! what can I say, that survival instinct is pretty strong in most people!

I think the quickest way to kill our economy right now would be to just stop with all the bailouts!! ya know, no more going anywhere, no hud, no food stamps, no help to struggling businesses, no medicaid, nothing!!

heck just cut the assistance going to the needy for their medical assistance, and well, I bet the healthcare system would start to shrink in a major way!!

but, as it is now, if you have two families who truly need assistance with their healthcare bill, well, there is no constitutional basis to take money from the one family just so you can help the other family get it. either quit helping the one family, or help both!

and well, unless I am wrong about weather or not there's gonna be enough AFFORDABLE rental units for all these people losing their homes, well, you tell me, what gives the government the right to take money out of the paychecks of those homeless workers so they can give that "irresponsible" single mother of three a hud voucher for the home she is living in?

if you can't help the people who are footing the bill when they run into the rough times, well, don't help anyone! and well, the corporate and the business world can just adjust to that new dynamic!

I am loving this.
This has made my last 24 hours.

reply to post by dawnstar


You know I can sympathize, but today there was a story about a bus driver living in an 800,000 dollar home,

Excuse me?

She admits she made a mistake, but it was just to easy to get the loan.

I wonder about these numbers.

What fricken planet are these people from?

reply to post by dawnstar


Why don't you do a little research! The banks and a credit freeze?
What a crock of crap! All the "credit" that they give out is made
from thin air! They pay nothing for it. But in the bailout, we give
them real money.
If everyone knew the truth, everyone told their bank to stick it, this bs
would have an end to it and the Fed. Res. Bank scam that has gone on
for 96years!
If the Tea Party is all we get, then I suggest we have it in DC instead.
While we are at it, dress in a blue coat and if you happen to have a gun,
bring it.

But a pitch fork will do!

What is the penalty for Treason? so one? anyone?

Originally posted by mrsdudara

Originally posted by John Matrix
To join a group of fools at a Tea Party is archaic and foolish.

Speak for yourself!

The foolish thing to do is sit on our arses and say "yes sir, what ever you say, sir". Cant exactly get the govt to kiss my dairyaire if Im sitting on it.
[edit on 20-2-2009 by mrsdudara]

Did I advocate doing that? Dummy up will ya!

There are many people whose worth is a number in a computer and they want to find a way to have that computer add digits to that number. Doesn't sound like a practical method for maintaining a society.

A person's worth should be skills and integrity, not manipulating numbers in a machine. This is our reality now.

housingdoom.com...

Bus driver Minta Garcia admits that she and her husband bought more house than they could afford, but she said "the lender made the purchase all too easy." Now the home that she purchased for $800K is worth $675K and she wants Obama to "Stop the foreclosures". [Hat tip to J.K!]

So will she be able to make the payments after being bailed out?

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by dawnstar

 

You know I can sympathize, but today there was a story about a bus driver living in an 800,000 dollar home,

Excuse me?

She admits she made a mistake, but it was just to easy to get the loan.

I wonder about these numbers.

What fricken planet are these people from?

This is why this crap was engineered. The banks risk is nothing. If I could sit at the computer all day and make money "credit", out of thin air, what do I care if you can pay it. I'll put it back on the market, drain you of what you had, and press on to the next fool and drain them with the same house.
Maybe the guy down at the local bank does not think like that, but they just take orders on whom to give loans to. He is not in a position to have morals in the overall scheme, of things. Scheme should actually be scam.

Thank you Baney Frank for giving them permission!

Most in Congress either are crooks and know this, are to stupid to know this, or are like Ron Paul and call them out!

‘Today’ Triple-Teams Santelli

After his top-of-Drudge-worthy remarks [video] yesterday on CNBC, you knew Rick Santelli would be on NBC’s Today this morning. Perhaps equally predictable was that the man who argued against making the 92% of responsible Americans paying their mortgages bail out the 8% who aren’t would be subjected to the third degree. Or in this case, a triple team.

Steve Liesman, also of CNBC, was there to take the other side, but he was clearly playing for the home team alongside Matt Lauer and Brian Williams, pinch-hitting for Meredith Vieira. Neither Lauer nor Williams hit Liesman, who favors the huge mortgage bailout, with one hardball. All the tough stuff was reserved for Santelli, who held his groun

finkelblog.com...

How about a couple hundred thousand emails to the Today show?

www.msnbc.msn.com...

[edit on 082828p://bFriday2009 by Stormdancer777]

Now to add to all that, this stink of a plan by the grand Obama, will just pay the same bankers more money to do the same scam again on the same house.
Kind of like the unemployment crap.
The states are paying the banks to give out debit cards, and then nickle and dimeing them to death with the little they do get with bank charges.
It was a good system just to print a check.

reply to post by dawnstar


I understand what you are saying and I agree with you. I flat out believe in universal healthcare for all citizens.

The bail out money should be going directly to the people who need it most...for basic needs such as keeping their homes, feeding, clothing, and educating.....and above all Job creation.....where is the Job creation?
Give employers incentive to hire and keep employees, don't spend it all to bail out the big guys.

The Justice System needs a huge rebuilding from the ground up. Too many people are thrown in jail for non violent crimes. Too many men are treated poorly and unfairly by the family courts. There is too much injustice and corruption...all costing us money. I could go on forever.

Anyway, I'm pleased to make your acquaintance


[edit on 20/2/09 by John Matrix]

reply to post by Stormdancer777


yep, and I remember the single mother of three kids, with the 10/hr job...who bought the 250,000 house!!

me and my husband have three kids, and when they were young, well, many times his salary was around $10/hr...
ya know what, we knew we couldn't afford no $250,000 home!! but, well, we also knew we couldn't keep up with the rising rents on the duplex we were renting either, ya know what.....our neighbors, many who were single moms, had no problem paying it, nor did they have any problem paying for the heat even when after leaving their windows wide open every morning in the middle of the cold winter months!!! we ended up moving into a substandard apartment that hud wouldn't touch because of the sewage that often accumulated in the cellar!

it's quite possible that this single mom found herself in the same situation, not even being able to afford the housing that her taxmoney was paying for other people to enjoy...and she was offered a deal of a lifetime, and well, only a fool would refuse it!


we have one of those subprime loans now... when we began looking for a new home, well, I warned my husband about the subprime things, told him I didn't want to buy a house if it was with one of those. well, I didn't find out it was a subprime loan till we had moved in, and then sat down to sign the papers!! by then it was too late...oh well....
I knew that even with the market being overinflated, the house was more than likely worth more than we were paying, and well, we have an income that will pay for the mortgage even after it adjusts. ....AS LONG AS WE CAN KEEP WORKING!!! there was no way we could have anticipated that these companies would be so foolish as to give out the kind of loans as they were to people who so horribly fell short of being able to pay! nor could we have anticipated that the problem would have been so big, that our fine government would have to throw the kind of money they have been into the solution (and I doubt that they had to throw this kind of money at the problem, but well, friends are friends and deserve nice rewards once in awhile!)... and we certainly didn't anticipate that it would be so much harder to get a loan now, than it was when we first took the loan out!

so, who is more irresponsible? those single moms, (heck, I know one, having her third kid, all by different fathers, unmarried, who, well, we taxpayers are paying for the medical expense for her to have or third kid), or those taxpayers out there who have been working hard for decades, struggling to just reek out a living, going without medical care when we are sick or hurt, living in substandard housing whenever hud decides to hike the price they will pay for the "needy's" housing, ect....

but, oh, ya, it a moral hazard to help us out??

THE MORAL HAZARD HAS BEEN THAT YOU HAVEN'T HELPED US OUT!!!

reply to post by Stormdancer777



I knew they would try to shut him down.

Patriotic duty my ass!

Why don't they ask the Fed. Res Bank to do their patriotic duty and not tax all of our tax money as interest which is 100% profit to them?

There is nothing patriotic about it. We are being scammed!
This makes it so evident that the MSM is either really stupid, or in on it and controlled. I don't think they are stupid.

reply to post by j2000


they are watching what is left of their savings dwindle down, and will latch onto anything that they see as possibly saving them from losing everything! so, ya, they will go on the tv every night and try to con you into investing your money into the dying dinosaur, in hopes that you might buy what they are holding for a little more money than they could get now...

only a fool would refuse it!

I must be a fool then.

reply to post by dawnstar


Well, sorry for your troubles.

I hate to sound cold but maybe you might just be pissed off enough now to do something about it! They scammed you!
This public needs to find a breaking point soon.

Make them prove to you they put up real risk for the house. That could get you another year in the house. Most likely if yours is subprime, it's been sold about 10 times and they do not have the original contract.
This can tie it up for a long time. There are some threads on here that give the information.

I have never gotten a bail out when things were tough, and I've had some really tough times in my life.

Bail outs are not the answer. Only pissed off people are.

reply to post by j2000

This makes it so evident that the MSM is either really stupid, or in on it and controlled. I don't think they are stupid.

This is a question I ask myself often,

What is wrong with them?

Are they getting paid to be stooges, oh yea, they are.

Originally posted by dawnstar
reply to post by j2000

 

they are watching what is left of their savings dwindle down, and will latch onto anything that they see as possibly saving them from losing everything! so, ya, they will go on the tv every night and try to con you into investing your money into the dying dinosaur, in hopes that you might buy what they are holding for a little more money than they could get now...

You totally missed his point to begin with.
He wants the Govt out of where they don't belong. They are the one's that did this in the first place.
He is not saying to invest anything. Most of the regular guys on wall street are just pons to the big bankers.

Sorry for the hijack, but I have to ask. Stormdancer777, what is the source of your avatar? It is perhaps the finest I have seen on this site.