reply to post by 12.21.12
Christians, what do you have against science? What do you have against logic?
Nothing at all, my friend. Do you really assume that Christians are against science? I count hospital consultants, doctors, PhD and research
scientists, a research mathemetician, lawyers, etc., among my personal friends who share my beliefs - and I'm just a single believer. Among my former
acquaintances who have reached the same conclusion are a world-renowned professor of archeology, a not-world renowned professor of archeology, a
top-level engineer, etc., etc.
Around the world countless thousands of people of the same calibre have examined the evidence and come to the same conclusion: Jesus Christ is God
come in the flesh.
All of the above reject evolution too, incidentally - as do I - on the basis of scientific evidence and argument. It was a long journey for me:
fossils & dinosaurs had been a favourite subject throughout my formative years. (Nevertheless I believed in Christ and assumed evolution to be true
for many years, as do plenty of Christians to this day.)
Why is it that you can simply believe that Jesus was the one and only son of God without seeing any evidence or proof?
You're now saying there isn't any evidence whereas above you previously indicated you'd examined it. Sorry if this sounds harsh. I don't mean it
that way - it's just a friendly challenge.
We don't have
proof. But we've accepted that certain facts are true whether or not they can ultimately be demonstrated by total proof.
We have examined evidence, though. Our faith is based on a process more akin to an examination of evidence in a court case than to a scientific
experiment. That's because by definition the scientific method cannot be applied to events that are not repeatable. How the world came to be, or the
question of whether Christ rose from the dead are both questions that require inference and deduction after examining the evidence that is
available.
Just as court cases cannot literally repeat a crime in full view of the jury, the evidence sometimes convinces, sometimes fails to do so. The jurors
decide whether to exercise
faith in the evidence.
Therefore just as the fact jurors exercise faith says nothing about their attitude to science or logic, so Christian faith does not preclude
scientific or logical analysis.
Some scientists hold an a priori position that all phenomena can be explained without an ultimate Creator, and try to give the impression faith is
incompatible with the practice of scientific research. It's bias, pure and simple.
The totally materialistic view of life has arguably blinded a lot of scientists from many promising avenues of research. An atheistic perspective is
often assumed in the literature to such an extent it is often no different from a religious dogma. It blindly ignores the fact many scientists, plenty
of whom are leaders in their field, have a deep faith in God.
Your taking the book placed in your hands, by those who modified it and taking it for the truth not only plays into the hands of the elites,
but also keeps human kind in the state of slavery and oppression. You taking these oppressors at their word, by a creation of their own works with a
bit of truth sprinkled here and there has kept us slaves for thousands of years.
I've spent 30 years examining the evidence for the reliability of the manuscripts and am of the firm belief they are reliable. I've taken no-one at
their word, least of all any opressors.
Here's a good example of the evidence I find convincing:
The New Testament Documents: are they reliable?
I've read the above and studied countless other sources over the years. I've made up my own mind. Nobody thinks for me: my faith is not blind, but
evidence-based.
As for the connection between Christian state-organized religion and its manipulation of and by governments through the centuries I agree: it is
abhorrent. It has nothing to do with my faith, however, which is just a matter of seeking to honour and obey what Jesus Christ taught.
I believe in things that are tangible and have at least a very large amount of evidence to back it up.
And I believe the ordered nature of the universe, and the incredible intricacy of many things that are tangible, such as the biochemistry of living
organisms, are overwhelmingly indicative of intelligent design. Is it logical to assume that when people have a different interpretation to your own
it means they are not logical?
Christians, the story doesn't add up. Your faith has no basis.
Here is a quick summary of the basis of my faith:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Our faith does have a basis, 12.21.12. I challenge you to seriously look again at the evidence, such as the book above. You never know - it may open
up possibilities you never dreamed existed.
[edit on 28/12/08 by pause4thought]