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Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
Personally I don't think that sexuality is a "psychological" thing. I'm going to admit right here and how that I am bi-sexual. I never chose it and I knew it at a young age. I can't choose who I find attractive or not, rather I am simply attractive. I don't find every single person on the planet attractive.
For me, it's more like I see everyone as a soul with a body. I am attracted to the soul of a person rather than their genitalia.
Originally posted by americandingbat
reply to post by Aermacchi
Wow, that was quite a rant. I'm afraid you lost me at the end though. I think what you're saying is that you resent men who are attracted to men because the best sex you've ever had was with a man but that's not what you're attracted to? Or maybe just, it's what you're attracted to but it causes you guilt and remorse?
Originally posted by ravenshadow13
My new theory- there is no such thing as sexuality or gender based on attraction. There are only hormone amounts that lead to different physical organs and different roles in reproduction, if reproduction is possible.
Our attraction is mostly based on hormones. However, I don't believe people "only like boys" or "only like girls." I think gender/sexuality would be based on our roles during reproduction and birth. But in general, humans are attracted to other humans, and even if you don't think you like one gender over another, it just means you are attracted to one person or another.
Gay, bisexual, straight- Not really a fan of those terms.
Are people with sexual genetic disorders- like xxy and xxxx syndromes neither male nor female? According to most definitions, yes. So if somebody with xxy syndrome liked a male, what does that make them? Bisexual? Ugh. Too confusing.
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by ravenshadow13
Yup, being gay myself i can definetly say it's not a mind thing at all. I"ve been with women, prior to really knowing or understand myself. And i can honestly say it didn't FEEL the same.
And it wasn't just the attraction that was different, it was the over all feeling of the relationship, something was missing from it, something was....un-connected.
Now over 20 years, a divorce and the raising of 3 children with my partner, i don't have that void anymore, i feel content. Am i still attracted to women? Ofcourse (IMO you'd have to be crazy not to really) but it's more than attraction, it's my personnal preference, it's really excuse the over used term, the way i'm built.
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by ravenshadow13
Yup, being gay myself i can definetly say it's not a mind thing at all. I"ve been with women, prior to really knowing or understand myself. And i can honestly say it didn't FEEL the same.
And it wasn't just the attraction that was different, it was the over all feeling of the relationship, something was missing from it, something was....un-connected.
Now over 20 years, a divorce and the raising of 3 children with my partner, i don't have that void anymore, i feel content. Am i still attracted to women? Ofcourse (IMO you'd have to be crazy not to really) but it's more than attraction, it's my personnal preference, it's really excuse the over used term, the way i'm built.
If you would have waited till you DID understand yourself, perhaps you may not have had the false sense that you thijnk you understand yourself now merely because you have found your sexual niche.
It is a dead giveaway you unknowingly share a glimpse of one of the many contradictions of the human condition in this last paragragh and one that permeates all of mankind in many ways. The abberations we hide usually expressed in the sexual arena are the kind where the unsaid rule is that we don't screw each other over but we can still screw.
This again is often elevated to our identities of self but whether you comply with that idea or not is up to you, but it isn't something we should force society to comply with simply because it is a false dichotomy.
The idea that such self imposed mis representations of ourselves should be characterized and protected under the umbrella of equal rights is one of the most absurd arguments I have seen given by the gay movement and one they are quite willing to be willfully ignorant about regardless of the societal misgivings and repercussion it may cause them and others.
Aids comes to mind as one of the manifestations for this kind of lack of self discipline by ignoring everything modern medicine has said is a slippery slope all the way to religion and BOTH of them have every reason to rub it in the face of this kind of behavior acceptance and ALL are having to pay for it in increased taxes and billions in aid to other countries where it is the same lack of respect and discipline NOT for gay sex but sex in general where places like Africa have so many affected and infected by ignoring everything from medical advice to religious rebuke.
The FACT is we are told we are the product of darwinian natural selection and cannot help but act on our sexual impulses and without a conflicting force, be it religious or by the consequences of desease, the FACT is, when it is culturally approved, only exascerbates the final and tragic outcome and it is undeniable
Are they indeed "born that way"? Or is is troubled pasts?
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by ravenshadow13
Yup, being gay myself i can definetly say it's not a mind thing at all. I"ve been with women, prior to really knowing or understand myself. And i can honestly say it didn't FEEL the same.
And it wasn't just the attraction that was different, it was the over all feeling of the relationship, something was missing from it, something was....un-connected.
Now over 20 years, a divorce and the raising of 3 children with my partner, i don't have that void anymore, i feel content. Am i still attracted to women? Ofcourse (IMO you'd have to be crazy not to really) but it's more than attraction, it's my personnal preference, it's really excuse the over used term, the way i'm built.
If you would have waited till you DID understand yourself, perhaps you may not have had the false sense that you thijnk you understand yourself now merely because you have found your sexual niche.
It is a dead giveaway you unknowingly share a glimpse of one of the many contradictions of the human condition in this last paragragh and one that permeates all of mankind in many ways. The abberations we hide usually expressed in the sexual arena are the kind where the unsaid rule is that we don't screw each other over but we can still screw.
This again is often elevated to our identities of self but whether you comply with that idea or not is up to you, but it isn't something we should force society to comply with simply because it is a false dichotomy.
The idea that such self imposed mis representations of ourselves should be characterized and protected under the umbrella of equal rights is one of the most absurd arguments I have seen given by the gay movement and one they are quite willing to be willfully ignorant about regardless of the societal misgivings and repercussion it may cause them and others.
Aids comes to mind as one of the manifestations for this kind of lack of self discipline by ignoring everything modern medicine has said is a slippery slope all the way to religion and BOTH of them have every reason to rub it in the face of this kind of behavior acceptance and ALL are having to pay for it in increased taxes and billions in aid to other countries where it is the same lack of respect and discipline NOT for gay sex but sex in general where places like Africa have so many affected and infected by ignoring everything from medical advice to religious rebuke.
The FACT is we are told we are the product of darwinian natural selection and cannot help but act on our sexual impulses and without a conflicting force, be it religious or by the consequences of desease, the FACT is, when it is culturally approved, only exascerbates the final and tragic outcome and it is undeniable
i never said I understood myself solely on the fact that i had found my sexual niche. My response was meant to show that in my uncertainty i dabled in all areas of things to gain a better understanding of who i was. Now MANY events and experiences have led me to the person i am today, i don't falsely believe i understand myself, trust me, i know who i am, inside and out.
Also my being with another man, isn't a sexual impulse that I can't control. It's a choice, it was my personal choice to follow that path that best suited me, and me alone. No other factor other than my full fledged happiness ever came into the equation. It was simple. Am i happy being with a woman...no, and i happy being with man...yes. My choice was made.
Originally posted by ravenshadow13
Note- it is NOT okay to support AIDs/religion to take care of these things. HIV occurs often in straight people, too, and not only drug users, if you haven't noticed- there is no disease that ONLY gay people get. Just a thought.
Also a sexual impulse is like... well, I'm not getting into that, but it has nothing to do with deciding who to have a relationship with or spend your life with.
It's just not so clear cut, but again, I think that people like other people and even the most diehard anti-gay people could, with an open mind, be attracted to a member of their same sex, either psychologically or physically.
Originally posted by ravenshadow13
Note- it is NOT okay to support AIDs/religion to take care of these things. HIV occurs often in straight people, too, and not only drug users, if you haven't noticed- there is no disease that ONLY gay people get. Just a thought.
WSJ: Obama Breaks Pledge on Inauguration Donations
Friday, January 9, 2009 12:14 PM
By: Jim Meyers Article Font Size
A full 90 percent of donations to fund Barack Obama’s Jan. 20 inauguration have come from well-heeled fundraisers — including Wall Street executives whose companies have received federal bailout money.
A total of 207 fundraisers have collected $24.8 million of the $27.3 million in donations disclosed by Obama through Thursday, according to an analysis by Public Citizen commissioned by The Wall Street Journal.
Slightly more than 2,000 donors accounted for the $27.3 million raised, but 378 of those people each contributed the maximum $50,000 allowed by Obama, raising almost 70 percent of the total, or $18.9 million, the analysis found.
Wall Street employees have been the largest single source of private donations, and many of the contributions have been channeled through financial-services executives who have put together bundles of donations worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.
“The preponderance of large donors and the fact that so many come from an industry receiving government handouts comes as the president-elect has sought to keep his inauguration free of special interests,” The Journal observed.
Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits? Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?
You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code. Congress does. You and I don't set fiscal policy. Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy. The Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president and nine Supreme Court justices - 545 human beings out of the 300 million - are directly, legally, morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered but private central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman or a president to do one cotton- picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it.
No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.
A CONFIDENCE CONSPIRACY
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a SPEAKER, who stood up and criticized G.W. Bush ALONE for creating deficits.
The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes.
Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow Democrats, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto.
REPLACE THE SCOUNDRELS
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts - of incompetence and irresponsibility. (and all should be convicted of dereliction of duty as defined by their oath of office, and in some cases outright treason.)
I can't think of a single domestic problem, from an unfair tax code to defense overruns, that is not traceable directly to those 545 people
When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red. If the Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in IRAQ.
There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power.
Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exist disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation" or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone, have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess.
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Originally posted by ravenshadow13
Note- it is NOT okay to support AIDs/religion to take care of these things. HIV occurs often in straight people, too, and not only drug users, if you haven't noticed- there is no disease that ONLY gay people get. Just a thought.
Also a sexual impulse is like... well, I'm not getting into that, but it has nothing to do with deciding who to have a relationship with or spend your life with.
It's just not so clear cut, but again, I think that people like other people and even the most diehard anti-gay people could, with an open mind, be attracted to a member of their same sex, either psychologically or physically.
Actually i think that most hardcore anti-gay people do have attraction to the same sex, but they've been told for so long that it's wrong, the only way in they're minds to rid themselves of those so called sinfull thoughts is to rise up against the threat.
It's all about fearing what you don't understand, so people try to find reason by saying it's nothing but choice and anamalistic impulses. In the end it isn't cut and dry, black and white. Everybody's experiences are different, and led them to different conclusions about who they are, and who they'd like to be with.
People are just gonna have to accept that it happens, for whatever reason, and it's not going away. Let bygones be bygones.
It's just not so clear cut, but again, I think that people like other people and even the most diehard anti-gay people could, with an open mind, be attracted to a member of their same sex, either psychologically or physically
there is no way that people are BORN with that. your attraction towards the opposite sex is just that..NATURE.