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posted by hinky
I believe the official story. Chances are I'm older than most of the people here so I actually know a few things both good and bad about our government.
posted by hinky
What most of the non-believers of the official story have in common is their total disregard of the over-riding theory that a person or small group of people who are willing to commit suicide for an act of terror, can actually pull off a spectacular terrorist attack.
Originally posted by cashlink
Why Do You Support The 911 Official Story?
Hello everyone.
I am starting this post to understand why some people believe in the 911 Official Story. Moreover, why do they feel they need to defend it?
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Originally posted by SPreston
Interesting that jthomas would return again and again to Paul Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's beloved minister of propaganda. There must be something in common there.
"You know, these things really are all connected... after JFK, many people who were trying to get the truth out said, you know, if we don't get it exposed, they'll be emboldened, they'll do it again... and sure enough, Martin, Bobby and then 9/11. And, of course, before that, we had the original Pearl Harbor, and they got away with that too... and we may not like to think about it, but that one also was an inside job... This is non-denominational; Republicans and Democrats have participated in these events... If we do get a real investigation or a trial, there is simply no doubt of what the verdict will be because now... the evidence that 9/11 is an inside job is now overwhelming..."
David Ray Griffin
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Originally posted by hinky
I see engineering terminology used in wrong forms or just plain bad English.
I can not disallow the wordage of engineering terms though. I see this commonly throughout threads or web sites of the people trying to show that airplanes can not bring buildings down. To me, just a plain ordinary guy will a little education and a decent job, this is a problem.
And friends, please use entire quotes while dismantling my posting again so it can be in total context.
Originally posted by cashlink
Ok Griff, what has sold you into believing the OS story why do you rally believes in the Government story and I am not picking on you.
I read a lot of your posting and I find a lot of your work very interesting. I do respect your work, and you have changed my mind on a few things.
However my opinion is, I feel the Government is lying about most things concerning 911.
Originally posted by jthomas
You already know that there is no "official story" and you already know that the burden of proof is on the shoulders of you Truthers to support your claims. You know full well that your obligation is to debunk the massive evidence against your claims and you know that you never have been able to so it in seven whole years.
By repeating the same known falsehood over and over, you are just admitting what you and we have know all along:
you cannot demonstrate in any manner whatsoever that the government is even a suspect in 9/11.
Despite Goebbels's statement that propaganda is the art of repeating falsehoods often enough will make people believe them, it hasn't and never will work for you 9/11 Truthers.
Originally posted by hinky
Facing the truth hurts at times, and within this thread you see example of people's responses to this. They strike back in with inconsequential responses or off topic responses. But then, I have kids over 30 so I'm used to it.
I'm not an uneducated man living in a tent connecting to the internet from some internet cafe I happen to be digging garbage from their trash cans. Words have meaning. I can see from the writings within this thread there are kids posting their worldly responses trying to make themselves feel self important.
No, the real question should be "Why are you a minority in this matter and why do you question an official report?". My government provided an official report of this terrorist act.
Originally posted by ashamedamerican
Originally posted by jthomas
You already know that there is no "official story" and you already know that the burden of proof is on the shoulders of you Truthers to support your claims. You know full well that your obligation is to debunk the massive evidence against your claims and you know that you never have been able to so it in seven whole years.
I love how you constantly claim "there is no official story" in thread after thread. Really?
What's the 911 Commission Report?
What do you call the fairytale involving 19 hijackers who were coordinated by a man in a cave in Afghanistan who was fingered as the main suspect before the towers had even fallen?
As for the burden of proof:
If you tell me that the moon is made of cheese, and I prove that isn't scientifically possible, and you still insist on claiming that it is made of cheese the burden of proof lies on you, not me.
Therefore since a ridiculous number of holes have been proven to exist in the official story, the burden of proof isn't on me.
I'm not the one claiming that jetfuel dropped a skyscraper into it's footprint, I'm one of the people that on the side of the arguement pointing out that this isn't physically possible.
The government story has already been debunked, by architects, engineers, scientists and scholars. It has been left with so many holes in it that a block of swiss cheese would be jealous.
you cannot demonstrate in any manner whatsoever that the government is even a suspect in 9/11.
As a matter of fact I can. If the government has nothing to hide then why are there 80+ tapes that they claim show a 757 hitting the pentagon, but they refuse to release?
Originally posted by ashamedamerican
You may want to check the current 911 polls, the people who do not believe the myth and the majority, you my friend are in the minority not us.
Originally posted by cashlink
Why Do You Support The 911 Official Story?
Hello everyone.
I am starting this post to understand why some people believe in the 911 Official Story. Moreover, why do they feel they need to defend it? What has absolutely convinced you with proof, and please show your sources, which the Government is telling us the truth of what happened on 911. As for me, most of you wonderful 911 posters already know I do not believe the OS.
I would like to see some real science that supports the Government 911 story, however I have read NIST report and I am not happy with their results. My next question is why do some still support NIST report after it has been proven to not stand up to Sciences.
[edit on 12/3/2008 by cashlink]
If I need to provide sources proving that one of the most heavily defended
On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.
The poll is the first of its kind conducted in America that surveys attitudes regarding US government complicity in the 9/11 tragedy. Despite the acute legal and political implications of this accusation, nearly 30% of registered Republicans and over 38% of those who described themselves as "very conservative" supported the claim.
The charge found very high support among adults under 30 (62.8%), African-Americans (62.5%), Hispanics (60.1%), Asians (59.4%), and "Born Again" Evangelical Christians (47.9%).
Less than two in five (36%) believe that the 9/11 Commission had "answered all the important questions about what actually happened on September 11th," and two in three (66%) New Yorkers (and 56.2% overall) called for another full investigation of the "still unanswered questions" by Congress or Elliot Spitzer, New York's Attorney General. Self-identified "very liberal" New Yorkers supported a new inquiry by a margin of three to one, but so did half (53%) of "very conservative" citizens across the state. The call for a deeper probe was especially strong from Hispanics (75.6%), African-Americans (75.3%) citizens with income from $15-25K (74.3%), women (62%) and Evangelicals (59.9%).
The poll is the first scientific survey of Americans' belief in a 9/11 cover up or the need to investigate possible US government complicity, and was commissioned to inform deliberations at the June 2~4 "9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future" conference in Chicago. Poll results indicate 42% believe there has indeed been a cover up (with 10% unsure) and 45% think "Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success" (with 8% unsure).