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Originally posted by bsbray11
Originally posted by ashamedamerican
"There is no official story" I just might add that to my sig below.
I'm waiting for the "thousands" of sources proving god-knows-what about 9/11 that jthomas was talking about.
Emergency Response, Rescue Operations, Firefighting, Secondary Explosions
Conspiracists are afraid to have their fantasies destroyed, so they scrupulously avoid contacting the hundreds of Pentagon 9/11 first responders and the over 8,000 people who worked on rescue, recovery, evidence collection, building stabilization, and security in the days after 9/11. These are just some of the organizations whose members worked on the scene:
Alexandria VA Fire & Rescue, American Airlines, American Red Cross, Arlington County Emergency Medical Services, Arlington County Fire Department, Arlington County Sheriff's Department, Arlington VA Police Department, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic staff, DeWitt Army Community Hospital staff, District of Columbia Fire & Rescue, DOD Honor Guard, Environmental Protection Agency Hazmat Teams, Fairfax County Fire & Rescue, FBI Evidence Recovery Teams, FBI Hazmat Teams, Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams, FEMA 68-Person Urban Search and Rescue Teams Maryland Task Force 1, New Mexico Task Force 1, Tennessee Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 2, FEMA Emergency Response Team, Fort Myer Fire Department, Four U.S. Army Chaplains, Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit, Military District of Washington Engineers Search & Rescue Team, Montgomery County Fire & Rescue, U.S. National Guard units, National Naval Medical Center CCRF, National Transportation Safety Board, Pentagon Defense Protective Service, Pentagon Helicopter Crash Response Team, Pentagon Medical Staff, Rader Army Health Clinic Staff, SACE Structural Safety Engineers and Debris Planning and Response Teams, Salvation Army Disaster Services, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach Fairfax County and Montgomery County, Virginia Beach Fire Department, Virginia Department of Emergency Management, Virginia State Police
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Originally posted by jthomas
Emergency Response, Rescue Operations, Firefighting, Secondary Explosions
Conspiracists are afraid to have their fantasies destroyed, so they scrupulously avoid contacting the hundreds of Pentagon 9/11 first responders and the over 8,000 people who worked on rescue, recovery, evidence collection, building stabilization, and security in the days after 9/11.
Emergency Response, Rescue Operations, Firefighting, Secondary Explosions
Conspiracists are afraid to have their fantasies destroyed, so they scrupulously avoid contacting the hundreds of Pentagon 9/11 first responders and the over 8,000 people who worked on rescue, recovery, evidence collection, building stabilization, and security in the days after 9/11.
Ground Zero EMT: We Were Told Building 7 Was to Be "Pulled"
New Jersey Emergency Medical Technician asked "how could someone have rigged all these explosives?" before towers collapsed, support columns had been blown out
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, February 8, 2007
A New Jersey EMT has gone public on how emergency workers were told that Building 7 was going to be "pulled," before a 20 second demolition countdown broadcast over radio preceded its collapse. The ground zero rescue worker also blows the whistle on how he witnessed multiple underground support columns of the WTC towers that had been severed before the buildings imploded.
In a letter to Loose Change producer Dylan Avery, the individual who wishes to remain anonymous refering to himself only as Mike, 30, NJ, describes how he has repeatedly tried to alert numerous authorities to what he saw on 9/11 but was ignored or told to "shut up" on every occasion, and ultimately fired for disorderly conduct.
The EMT now dismisses the official government explanation of events and slams the 9/11 commission as a "whitewash."
More Ground Zero Heroes On The Record: Building 7 Was Deliberately Brought Down
Testimony of multiple rescue personnel that they were told Building 7 was going to be imploded means FEMA, NIST, Silverstein Properties and federal government all lied, revelations demand immediate grand jury inquiry into insurance fraud, vindicates call for new independent 9/11 investigation
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Prison Planet
Friday, February 9, 2007
Two more ground zero emergency rescue personnel are on the record as stating they were told Building 7 was going to be brought down on 9/11 hours before its symmetrical implosion, completely contradicting the official explanation of accidental collapse.
The new revelations provoke urgent questions about how a building was rigged with explosives within hours when such a process normally takes weeks or months and why the decision was taken to demolish the building amidst the chaos of the situation on that day.
Yesterday we reported on the testimony of an anonymous EMT named Mike who told Loose Change producer Dylan Avery that hundreds of emergency rescue personnel were told over bullhorns that Building 7, a 47 story skyscraper adjacent the twin towers that was not hit by a plane yet imploded symmetrically later in the afternoon on 9/11, was about to be "pulled" and that a 20 second radio countdown preceded its collapse.
Shortly after this article was released we uncovered more astounding testimony of ground zero rescue workers who are fully public and on the record in repeating the same claims, that Building 7 was brought down deliberately and that its collapse was not accidental as the government claims.
NYPD Officer Heard Building 7 Bombs
"The whole time you're hearing boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I think I know an explosion when I hear it"
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Saturday, February 10, 2007
Following our reports this week about three different ground zero rescue workers who all testified that they were told Building 7 was to be brought down, yet more revealing testimony has come to light - this time from a former NYPD officer and first responder, who states that he clearly heard bombs tear down Building 7 as he ran away from its collapse.
NYPD officer Craig Bartmer awoke on 9/11 to images of the World Trade Center burning. Knowing colleagues who worked inside the towers, he immediately headed for ground zero to help with the rescue efforts. He is now suffering from respiratory illnesses as a result of the toxic dust inhaled at the site. Bartmer was in the immediate vicinity of Building 7 before its collapse at approximately 5:20pm.
It is worthwhile to watch the entire 27 minute video interview below (conducted by Dylan Avery of Loose Change) but in the context of this article, Bartmer's comments on the subject of Building 7 alone are transcribed after the jump.
BARTMER: "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. I didn't see any reason for that building to fall down the way it did -- and a lot of guys should be saying the same thing. I don't know what the fear is coming out and talking about it? I don't know -- but it's the truth."
BARTMER: "I walked around it (Building 7). I saw a hole. I didn't see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, though. Yeah there was definitely fire in the building, but I didn't hear any... I didn't hear any creaking, or... I didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down. And all of a sudden the radios exploded and everyone started screaming 'get away, get away, get away from it!'... It was at that moment... I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. The thing started pealing in on itself... Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the #'s hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... Yeah it had some damage to it, but nothing like what they're saying... Nothing to account for what we saw...
Flashback: WTC1 janitor describes explosions before and after plane hit building; CNN decided not to broadcast interview
Deanna Spingola
The Conservative Voice
Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:23 UTC
William [Rodriguez] had worked for the New York Port Authority for about twenty years. He was in charge of the three stairwells - A, B and C. They were narrow and without windows. There were also 150 elevators in the building. He knew the building well. His job included the maintenance of the three narrow stairwells in the class "A" building - WTC1, the north tower.... Arriving at 8:30 on the morning of 9-11 he went to the maintenance office located on the first sublevel, one of six sub-basements beneath ground level. There were a total of fourteen people in the office at this time. As he was talking with others, there was a very loud massive explosion which seemed to emanate from between sub-basement B2 and B3. There were twenty-two people on B2 sub-basement who also felt and heard that first explosion. At first he thought it was a generator that had exploded. But the cement walls in the office cracked from the explosion. "When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and everything started shaking." said Rodriguez, who was crowded together with fourteen other people in the office including Anthony Saltamachia, supervisor for the American Maintenance Company. Just seconds later there was another explosion way above which made the building oscillate momentarily. This, he was later told, was a plane hitting the 90th floor... This past week I had the great pleasure of meeting William Rodriquez, a humble man from Puerto Rico who worked at the World Trade Center. He looked healthy in spite of suffering from many 9-11 related toxic diseases.
EXPLOSIVE TESTIMONY! / MacQueen NYFD 9/11 witnesses
911 Truth: NYFD say Explosives brought down Towers
HIGHLIGHTS : Interview with John Schroeder 911 FIREMAN
118 Witnesses:
The Firefighters’ Testimony to Explosions in the Twin Towers
Graeme MacQueen
August 21, 2006
One of the greatest mysteries of September 11, 2001 is the collapse of the Twin Towers.
Claims that explosions contributed to the collapses were made on 9/11 and have persisted, but
studies supportive of the U.S. government’s account of events have ignored or denied these
claims. A great deal is at stake in this debate. If explosions were critical to the collapses, the
official al Qaeda narrative may need to be radically altered or abandoned altogether.
In January, 2006 an article by David Ray Griffin appeared entitled, “Explosive
Testimony: Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories.”[1] Drawing on a
collection of oral histories from the New York Fire Department (FDNY), Griffin argued the case
for controlled demolition of the towers. I found myself intrigued by the data he had used and
impressed by his method, but I decided there was room for further research. I wanted answers to
two questions.
(1) Are the roughly 31 witnesses to explosions quoted by Griffin the total of all witnesses
to explosions in these sources, or are there others he does not mention?
(2) Are there witnesses in these sources whose testimony supports the non-explosive
collapse of the Towers—the U.S. government’s perspective?
Summary of Evidence of Controlled Demolition at the World Trade Center
This work is dedicated to Chief of Department Peter J. Ganci Jr. and his
342 fellow F.D.N.Y. members killed in action while trying to save others.
Summary of Evidence of Controlled Demolition at the World Trade Center
(Expansive citations below)
This article appeared originally at FireFightersFor911Truth.org and is the intellectual property of David R. Wayne & Greg Garrison ©2008 with all use permissions hereby granted provided that all copies include this notice of authorship.
The evidence summarized below proves conclusively that 3 World Trade Center buildings collapsed on 9/11/2001 as the result of controlled demolitions. It makes no attempt to determine why, or to imply by whom. From a scientific standpoint, it is inadvisable to leap to conclusions because there are always scenarios we may not be prepared to imagine. In science, as in life, an open mind is a good thing. It is conceivable that there was a bio-threat airborne in the CIA undercover New York station in Building 7 capable of wiping out 20 million people if it wasn’t immediately neutralized by the use of Thermate. Although that is unlikely, it remains possible and therefore, scientifically, it stands as an unknown, as do many other unknowns.
However, we do know via established empirical evidence that a series of observable events took place that can be analyzed. If we learn the temperatures at which steel melts and at which jet fuel burns we can then determine whether burning jet fuel can melt steel. Proof of evidence can and should preclude personal opinions and lead us to logically necessary conclusions. A fair examination of the evidence establishes unequivocally that 3 skyscrapers collapsed as the direct and proximate result of planned demolition and that the official explanation is literally physically impossible and a blatant contradiction of established laws of science and nature.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Originally posted by jthomas
Emergency Response, Rescue Operations, Firefighting, Secondary Explosions
Conspiracists are afraid to have their fantasies destroyed, so they scrupulously avoid contacting the hundreds of Pentagon 9/11 first responders and the over 8,000 people who worked on rescue, recovery, evidence collection, building stabilization, and security in the days after 9/11.
So your "thousands" of sources are really just 8,000 first responders?
So, in most cases, especially the ones dealing with how exactly those buildings fell, you mostly have about 8000 cases of hearsay and mass confusion.
Originally posted by jthomas
In case you missed it, the topic is the Pentagon.
Originally posted by jthomas
Why do you think that whatever the media or the government said or didn't say about 9/11 from the moment of the first attack is a substitute for all of the lines of independent evidence from thousands of sources and individuals of the media and government
posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
Why are you insisting on avoiding the obvious question with a relevant answer? Could it be because you don't have one? Quit answering questions with nothing but off topic questions or go derail another thread. You're making this thread into something it is not, and blatantly doing so on purpose.
There must be tens of thousands of pages of documents, books, articles, untold numbers of photographs and hours of video, that support the belief that the US was complicit in what occurred on Sept 11, 2001.
“Ain’t it the truth?”
posted by mmiichael
Outweighing all that are millions of relaibly substantiated pieces of physical evidence, primary source documents, and thousands of first hand reports from ordinary people with no political or egocentric
axe to grind.
I don’t want to devolve into characterizing Truthers, but seeing their body of evidence, reading their words, and guaging their responses has given me considerable insight to this sub-culture. It’s more than just willing, it’s almost an aggressively self-righteous self-deception.
Originally posted by cashlink
Mmiichael, great post! You are right, obviously; you have done your research well.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Originally posted by jthomas
In case you missed it, the topic is the Pentagon.
No, that wasn't the topic. I was responding to this:
All you're doing is hacking away at keys every time you suggest there are thousands of independent studies confirming the media/federal government version of what happened that day. There aren't.
Originally posted by SPreston
Would you mind sharing with us those millions of reliably substantiated pieces of physical evidence which support the Bush Regime 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY?
I have seen none. I see blocked investigations and gagged eyewitnesses and confiscated and censored evidence. I see official investigations with their conclusions conformed to a pre-conceived final outcome.
Originally posted by SPreston
Would you mind sharing with us those millions of reliably substantiated pieces of physical evidence which support the Bush Regime 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY? I have seen none. I see blocked investigations and gagged eyewitnesses and confiscated and censored evidence. I see official investigations with their conclusions conformed to a pre-conceived final outcome.
Where are these thousands of first hand reports from ordinary people you allude to? I have seen no attempt by investigators or media persons to track these persons down to expand upon and verify their accounts. Most of the alleged reports you seem so convinced by are one line statements which really tell us nothing. When real investigators track these people down and really question them, we learn that they saw something entirely different than what was scripted in the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY. Why would that be?
Originally posted by SPreston
Where are these thousands of first hand reports from ordinary people you allude to?
A rich vein of city records from Sept. 11, including more than 12,000 pages of oral histories rendered in the voices of 503 firefighters, paramedics, and emergency medical technicians, were made public on Aug. 12. The New York Times has published all of them.
posted by cashlink
reply to post by mmiichael
Mmiichael, great post! You are right, obviously; you have done your research well.
There must be tens of thousands of pages of documents, books, articles, untold numbers of photographs and hours of video, that support the belief that the US was complicit in what occurred on Sept 11, 2001.
“Ain’t it the truth?”
It sure is!
posted by CameronFox
Cash... Mike is not a truther. He agrees with the "official" story. Do you still think he has done his research well?