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posted by SPreston
Where are these thousands of first hand reports from ordinary people you allude to?
posted by CameronFox
Would FDNY staff be considered "ordinary?"
If so:
A rich vein of city records from Sept. 11, including more than 12,000 pages of oral histories rendered in the voices of 503 firefighters, paramedics, and emergency medical technicians, were made public on Aug. 12. The New York Times has published all of them.
12,000 pages Spreston... I suggest you grab a hot chocolate and a comfy chair. You have some reading to do.
FIREFIGHTER JOHN AMATO
Interview Date: January 2, 2002
The south tower collapsed first. We
didn't know what kind of collapse it was. We
thought it was a partial collapse. We thought it
was maybe two floors pancaking.
I looked, and
I could see the antenna on the top of the roof
coming straight down.
FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BANACISKI
Interview Date: December 6, 2001
We were there I don't know, maybe 10, 15
minutes and then I just remember there was just an
explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up
these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the
way around like a belt, all these explosions.
Everybody just said run and we all turned around and we
ran into the parking garage because that's basically
where we were. Running forward would be running
towards it. Not thinking that this building is coming
down. We just thought there was going to be a big
explosion, stuff was going to come down.
FIREFIGHTER PAUL BECK
INTERVIEW DATE DECEMBER 12 2001
1st paragraph redacted
Q: WHICH BRIDGE
A: BROOKLYN BRIDGE THINK WE WERE JUST PAST
THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE ON THE MANHATTAN SIDE WHEN THE
FIRST TOWER CAME DOWN AND OF COURSE OUR CONCERN THERE
WAS NOW WEVE GOT TO FIND ENGINE 205 AND WEVE GOT TO
FIND LADDER 118
posted by CameronFox
A rich vein of city records from Sept. 11, including more than 12,000 pages of oral histories rendered in the voices of 503 firefighters, paramedics, and emergency medical technicians, were made public on Aug. 12. The New York Times has published all of them.
12,000 pages Spreston... I suggest you grab a hot chocolate and a comfy chair. You have some reading to do.
Originally posted by SPreston
I am quite aware of the oral histories of NYC, but we are discussing the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY in this thread and the oral histories in no way, shape, or form support the OFFICIAL STORY.
There are thousands of accounts contained within the oral histories and in other areas, which support demolition of the towers. I suggest you have never bothered to read nor study them.
Originally posted by bsbray11
I wonder if Cameron has read many of them, because I have, and many of them raise serious questions about the official explanation of events.
Off the top of my head, one of the first NYPD officers in WTC1 said when he got there that the lobby windows had all been blown out (which we already knew), that people were laying on the ground still alive but with all their skin burned off,
"He was burned terribly," said Rodriguez. "The skin was hanging off his hands and arms. His injuries couldn’t have come from the airplane above, but only from a massive explosion below."
Harry Waizer: It wasn't burning. I got hit by a fireball that just -- if you can imagine a barbecue grill with too much gas, that just suddenly explodes, that's what I had. It just hit me in the face, then it was gone.
...I saw the look on many of those faces turn to sympathy or horror as they saw me. At one point I noticed a large flap of skin hanging off my arm. I did not look any further.
Even as people streamed down the stairs, the cracks were appearing in the walls as the building shuddered and cringed. Steam pipes burst, and at one point an elevator door burst open and a man fell out, half burned alive, his skin hanging off. People dragged him out of the elevator and helped get him out of the building to the doctors below
Originally posted by bsbray11
....that the lower level (including basement) elevators had been blown out of their hinges but the elevators.......commonly suggested by the duhbunkers.
The sources are listed on a previous post. Or, simply google each of the quotes and voila! you will see them.
Originally posted by cashlink
However if you refused to show your sources then your whole statement with all those names is only fabricated which I expected.
posted by CameronFox
Darn it! I keep forgetting those NWO elevator technicians planting those bombs on the elevators. I wonder is BsBray has looked into the injuries & deaths by those on the elevators.
Take them as fabricated then. I made them all up.
I tell you what. Why don't you start with the 500+ first responders that I listed. Read the 12,000 + pages of statements from them.
hint: (maybe some of the quotes you want sourced are in there)
THEN tell me which ones believe that the towers were brought down with explosives. Keep in mind, these folks were there. Not at home watching Youtube videos.
Thanks
Originally posted by cashlink
reply to post by CameronFox
Take them as fabricated then. I made them all up.
I will! So will everyone else.
If you expect people to take you seriously then you need to show your sources, however, if you keep this up then no one will pay any attention to what you post, I mean they will not even read your post anymore.
No, you need to supply us with your sources.
Why is it so hard for you to do this?
We are not playing a game in here! We are trying to have a Debate in here of why do you support the Official story. You have been ask repeatedly to produces your sources and you refuse to do so.
I see what you are about. You ignore ANYTHING that goes against your fantasy of an inside job.
posted by mmiichael
I think those who want to believe 9/11 was a US govt controlled operation will continue to dismiss what conflicts with their focus on the details they think proves their case.
Originally posted by mmiichael
The controlled demolition and missile to the Pentagon infromation is convincing in isolation, bu just falls apart when stacked against the overwhelming weight of evidence, testimony, pictures, and documeentations from reliable sources.