Is "Joe the Plumber" a Plumber? That's Debatable

I was related a stry by a friend about Joe the Plumber. They were having a drinking party and each guy had to pick a phrase to drink to. One guy actually picked "Joe the Plumber". He said not one of them was still awake at the end of the debate, and the porcelin Gods recieved quite a bit of worship.

One other thing. If Joe were to make $500,000, Obama's tax increase would amount to an additional $7500 in taxes. I don't think that alone is going to discourage anyone from going forward with their business plans. Another shameful act by the GOP. Proabbaly could have gotten away with it 8 years ago.

If I had evidence, we wouldnt be debating it, we'd be reading news reports.

Joe the plumber is the perfect poster boy for Mccain.

He's a hard working American
He's an average 'Joe' - boy what a coincidence
And he backs Mccain..

This man is meant to portray the everyday American, showing that the popular vote amongst average working Americans is to back Mccain.

Look at it, I watched that debate, and not ONCE did Mccain nail home anything on Obama.
At the most, he was on Par, but Obama shut down Mccain.

You could see how blatant Mccains ignorance was, he'd completely ignore anything Obama says, and just lambast him for ripping off average 'joe's'
Anyone with an IQ could see, Mccain was hoping people would listen, and not think.

And for 'Joe' to come out saying Mccain had great points and such, just shows me this man never actually cared about what was said, because if he genuinely thought of the policies both were putting forward in that debate, and listening to the answers you would of seen that Mccain infact DIDNT project anything positive or worthwhile.

Greeneye, fair call there mate.
You work hard, you expect to get the fruits of your labour.
I agree,

But, I also say once youve got enough anymore is for show.
Now, im sure these people who earn $250,000.00 worked hard, and are now living life a little easier.

But this type of person constitutes a massive minority, as in a few %.

Now, if the few % can take a pay cut, and still live very comfortable so that a massive majority, 90something % can actually survive instead of struggle tooth and nail.. I think its in their interests, America's interests and humanity's interest to take that pay cut and help your fellow man.

For too long have billionaire's been given tax cuts, while low income earners get nothing.

Those Americans in the $250,000.00 have had it good for a while now, im sure they can take a pay cut to help their country.


on a side note, my typing may come acrss narky, but im not meaning to be like that.
I just like words! )

reply to post by Agit8dChop


I'll give McCain one thing:

He won on being more direct, and firm. He took a ton of cheap shots on Obama, and usually was able to get a pointed last word in.

I wouldn't give him a win simply based off of that except everyone seems to respond to that kind of politics. Look at this board, for example. Everyone loves talking about Ayers, acorn, lapel pins, etc.

Smart move by McCain. Dirty, cheap, and meaningless, but smart.

reply to post by Agit8dChop


I don't have criticism of the tax plan personally. You're right about the GOP using him in the debate(how many times?), whether he was a plant or not *isn't* proven. To find out just look his name up on Wiki in a week.

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i'm an electrician but i have no license.

it's not really complicated.

it just restricts how far legally you can practice

and how far legally you deal with handing out

and recieving money

... Dirty, cheap, and meaningless, but smart.

Sounds like my last relationship...sorry but I couldn't resist!

Did anyone confirm whether or not "Joe the Plumber" is a relative of Charles Keating????? I had a thread deleted earlier today on that topic!!

reply to post by Leo Strauss


If people are going to keep continuing to try to smear this guy it could backfire on Obama. Most people don't like to see someone beat up for no reason, especially when it's a complete innocent who did nothing but ask a question.

Imagine if you were this guy, you asked a question to one of the candidates and next thing you know...your whole life is on tv with people trying to discredit you.

By the way, that connection you made with Keating was hilarious. It was far beyond reaching which is probably why the thread was deleted. The only thing i miss from that thread is my Spaceballs quote...i thought that was a good one....

Dark Helmet: I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.

Lone Starr: What's that make us?

Dark Helmet: Absolutely nothing! Which is what you are about to become

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reply to post by David9176


"Spread the wealth around"
"Spread the wealth around"
"Spread the wealth around"
"Spread the wealth around"
"Spread the wealth around"
"Spread the wealth around"

THIS IS THE ISSUE!...OMG.....it doesn't matter who asked the question, it is Obama's answer!

Socialism 101!!!!

You can't make this BS up..........

A good example of socialism is the government buying shares in private banks with citizen tax dollars. Nationalizing banks! Now that is socialism!

Originally posted by Pinktip
reply to post by David9176

 

"Spread the wealth around"
"Spread the wealth around"
"Spread the wealth around"
"Spread the wealth around"
"Spread the wealth around"
"Spread the wealth around"

THIS IS THE ISSUE!...OMG.....it doesn't matter who asked the question, it is Obama's answer!

Socialism 101!!!!

You can't make this BS up..........

A good example of socialism is the government buying shares in private banks with citizen tax dollars. Nationalizing banks! Now that is socialism!


I agree! Socialism on both sides......but my problem is Obama's answer is what the story should be, not who asked the question. It's a total diversion.



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reply to post by Leo Strauss


yep, it's a good start...do you think it's going to end with Obama who wants more government? At least McCain speaks out against this crap and corruption in our government, but unfortunately he voted for the bailout, which was a poor decision on his part. Obama says nothing on this because there are too many friends and supporters that are a large part of the cause of this whole mess. At least the majority of Republicans voted against this thing...in the HoR that is. Pelosi and Frank...American Heroes.

"Joe the Plumber" -- real or fabricated--is not the average American. The average American makes far less than 250k (I recently read the national average is around 30k) a year. If "Joe the Plumber" makes that much then he is, by definition, not average.

People need to face the facts and forget about this partisan bickering. Our country is underfunded by over half a trillion dollars each and every year and we're forced to borrow that money from China, Japan, Russia, Saudi Arabia and even frigging Mexico just to meet our annual budget and pay the interest on the already $10.5 trillion debt from previous years borrowing. The reason we're underfunded is simple - we spend too much money and don't collect enough tax dollars. There is ONLY one solution, spend less and collect more taxes.

Somebody is going to have to pay more taxes - the middle class can't do it and the wealthy don't want to do it. That's the difference as I see it and the wealthy are going to have to suck it up, regardless of what each party says they'll do when elected. Taxes are going up and spending is going to be slashed, and you can take that to the bank (if your bank hasn't been looted and burned to the ground by January).

Never let the tuth get in the way of a good story.

Whether Joe (the Plumber) Wurzelbacher was a put up or not, this video of the original questions to and answers from Obama is worth seeing. As an erstwhile tax accountant, I can say that Obama knows his stuff and was able to provide a very good answer to him. In response, Joe is smiling and appears to be won round. Seriously! It’s over 5 minutes long, Obama gives him that much time, and no soundbite broadcaster is going to show it all. Instead, those like Fox have picked out the bits which they reckon show Obama in a bad light (”share it around”), taking that quote out of context and dong their best to convince voters that Obama is a clean-shaven slimmed down and blacked-up version of Karl Marx. What they don’t show is Obama’s clear explanation of why his plans would have been of benefit to Joe the Plumber *and* that Joe appears to understand this

Travelsmart, do you have a link to the video? I'd like to see that.

Ok, just found it. He did in fact give a very good answer to Joe's question.

reply to post by David9176


I think this is how the media and Obama will treat any dissenters if hes elected. Anyone who disagrees with Obama will be labeled racist and the media will smear them until they lose all credibility. All the while everything the media reports about Obama will be positive. People have no idea what their walking in to with this guy.

reply to post by Marcus Calpurnius


McCain used him, not Obama. McCain used a plant who in the end turned out to be a bad plant. McCain, McCain, McCain.

reply to post by GamerGal


Any facts to back up this claim? I'm guessing no?
Next thing you'll say is that he's in the AIP and a terrorist.