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Originally posted by AlexG141989
If this God truly was omnipotent in the sense that he knows all, past, present, and, future, then humans do not have free will. In another debate I was involved in, a theist told me that God already knows whether I am going to heaven, or hell... If God already knows then how do I have freewill??? Every choice that I make, God knew that I was going to make that choice, so all along I was destined to make that "choice".
if God truly knew “all”, then there is nothing God should have to “do” because it is all written. God is in a sense, watching a movie. He knows all the scenes, and what will happen, how it began and how it will end. In the process of watching a movie that you already know all the scenes, and lines to. If you had to wonder, or hope a scene would turn out the way you like. If you got mad that the movie wasn’t good. Any of those emotions would clearly indicate that you haven’t watched the movie before, and therefore didn’t know what would happen… God clearly exhibits childish humans emotions such as those, which indicates he doesn’t know. If he truly knew all, past, present, and future, there would be nothing that he should have to be jealous of, or angry of, or want… You stating that God wants his children to go to heaven tells me he doesn’t know who really is going to heaven. God shouldn’t want anything like that if he was truly omnipotent, because he would already know who was going to heaven, and who wasn’t. God cannot want something, and be omnipotent.
God knows everything. Past, present, and future. It would be better to say that God knows all possible outcomes in every situation. Today we are finding out that quatum physics scientists can coduct precise tests based on pure math. Taking into all account the variables in any forseeable outcome possible. God is better than that. According to quantum physics all the knowledge that there can be already is. Scientists call it simply, "information". Because of this, they believe time travel will be possible because of quantum information. God is higher than this. He made everything and therefore knows everything, past, present, and future. This does not take away free will. When you do something, God knew it would happen because of all the possibilities and he can see ahead to where you will go. So freewill exists along with total knowledge by God.
you my friend have nailed it. that is the exact question I have been asking believers and people of the cloth for years. If God knows everything then your life is predestined, and if it is already preordained then there is no free will. You do not need to know your future for it to be predetermined, just the fact that it is already known makes it preordained.
So if God is Omnipotent then when he created my spirit he knew whether or not I would repent or be saved. So If he knew that I would not be saved then why did he allow me to be born and grow knowing full well I would spend eternity in Hell. If that is exactly what has happens that makes God a bit of a Sadist doesn't it?
Originally posted by AlexG141989
If this God truly was omnipotent in the sense that he knows all, past, present, and, future, then humans do not have free will.
Normally I wouldn't recommend a book when responding to a post but if you really are seeking an answer, at the very least, The Shack is a brilliantly written book that will get your mind thinking about who God is in a whole new way.
So says a human being that is not a Ominpotent being. If God is Ominpotent, then God is the only one that can truly understand the term Ominpotent Being. You're basic level understanding of what a Ominpotent being is like is a falicy.
Are you one of those people that would get an Inturnship at a fortune 500 company and think you knew better then the President of the company? Maybe you are...
Originally posted by Incarnated
So says a human being that is not a Ominpotent being. If God is Ominpotent, then God is the only one that can truly understand the term Ominpotent Being. You're basic level understanding of what a Ominpotent being is like is a falicy.
Are you one of those people that would get an Inturnship at a fortune 500 company and think you knew better then the President of the company? Maybe you are...