(Website Claims..) Iraqi Cilvilians Massacared By American Soldiers (Highly Graphic)

In Vietnam soldiers where called Baby killers then also, demonstrated against and branded, most of it a vast majority of it was false.

But IMO it doesn't really matter who did it, just that its atrocious, disgusting, and inhumane, it happens but it shouldn't, and anti war campaigners get more points if people are convinced US soldiers did it am i right?

Like the family who attend the funerals of American soldiers, they seem to have it in their heads what they are doing is right, they couldnt be further from the truth, long after Iraq, Iran, North Korea are all over and done with that family will still have their tag and people just wont forget what they do.

Every part of these wars is for the benefit of those who sell weapons, drill for oil, prvide protective equipment , all of i boils down to one thing, Making money, and unless people wake up, and soon, this is all going to be on our doorsteps, and that will be our children lying dead in the road.

No way on earth did an Apache helicopter do that in that video, there would be nothing much left of anyone or anything, but as i said its not who did it, it is still inhumane, and disgusting. and only a few people can be blamed whoever was responsible, start with the current admin, then those who voted the bastards in.

Originally posted by tomfrusso
Another "joke" post condeming the USA.

This video is as real as the "alien autopsey" video of several years ago.

This is just more evidence that ATS is killing ATS.

Those bodies don't look real to me. And I think I saw a bottle of heinz ketsup in some ones pocket.....

WHAT!

Are you serious????? this isnt a UFO video, its a video showing dead people some of whom are kids? and you think the bodies are fake? you need to do a retake dude.

I think your post is the least funniest thing ive ever read, esp the ketchup comment, nobody else has said they are fake bodies, feel the need to be different do we? just too sad for any more words..

reply to post by azzllin


can you prove that they are real bodies? im not saying i think they are fake, the don't look fake to me. but that doesn't mean they COULDN'T be fake bodies, and hollywood style gore make-up. we aren't the only country in the world with a film industry.

As a former weapons specialist in the military I can tell you that you are looking at the damage that an AK 47 does to flesh when the rounds hit. AK 47 rounds do not spin like a normal bullet....instead they come out flipping. This flipping of the round leaves the type damage to flesh you are seeing in this video. You can see the effect particularly well when you see the damage done by the rounds that hit some of these poor people in the face. It leaves an almost saw like wound. I can also tell you that if a helicopter gunship firing 20 mm rounds would have hit this car the car would look like swiss cheese and the remains of the occupants of the car would not be recognizable in any sense.

This was the work of insurgents and is being used as propaganda to make people think the "evil" Americans did it.

For people who still don't believe that some U.S. soldiers find enjoyment out of terrorizing innocent Iraqi civilians, I suggest you watch this video:

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

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A helicopter would have shredded that car those were like rifle bullet holes. Brutal video, i couldnt handle lookin at that kid

reply to post by paradigm619


I know I put a fairly strong response up to something similar... to clarify, I don't doubt that there are a small number of sickos that manage to squeeze into our ranks. But by and large, they're usually caught before they can do any harm and they never see the field with their buddies. For those that manage to 'pop a few camel jockeys' I've seen how we deal with it.

I know it's raw opinion so it's pointless, but I'll say this anyways. I believe our military does as well or better than most counties in weeding out such behavior. That garbage is no way to fight a war, and by and large we don't tolerate it.

I watched the video and YES it was gruesome but that's all I saw. I didn't see the helicopter and US troops coming in to finish the "job". I know I didn't see weapons because THEY would have been confiscated before this video was taken. I know I didn't see any drugged up Americans?

What I did see was the aftermath of WAR and what a dirty job it is when it's viewed unedited... More Americans should actually SEE what sort of carnage happens in actual war. This footage was obvious propaganda, pure and simple, but it serves a purpose. More American citizens should see this and maybe they'd understand what our troops see everyday! It's not an easy job too view the death that they've wrought but it is a job they've done for their country.

reply to post by jhill76


sad...

how can humans kill humans?

this is not who we really are...humans in their natural state are peacefull beings...

it's sad to know that the military around the world train humans to kill humans..


people need to think about this stuff imo.

are we going to kill each other forever?

I have never seen anything so fake in my whole life!!!!!!!!

Ahhhhh, can anyone prove they are real bodies????????

And yes, the alien autopsy video was faked - why not this one????

reply to post by GradyPhilpott


That being said, you can't simply assume that it's enemy propaganda. It's not posited by the enemy as a massacre by American forces, in fact, it's only been established as such by one news source. There has been no claims by any militant groups, enemies as you put them, that this was an act of unnecessary aggression by American forces.

#ing despicable. That's all I'm going to say. Wars does not have to involve civilians and everyone here knows that. There were women and children in that pile. Seeing fracture skulls makes me sick and what makes me even more sick is the monstrosity caused by the U.S. soldiers.

This is absolutely possible, 1+ million people have been killed and those people are probably in that count. And of course the U.S. government would not let you see this.

I swear, if you think this is fake then forget about all the evidence against China.

[edit on 6/30/2008 by die_another_day]

Time to calm down people

Why oh why, in every single thread like this does one of the mods have to point out that Courtesy is Mandatory

As has been said a million times before attack the post and not the poster

There are people on this thread who have restored to schoolyard rhetoric who really should know a whole lot better.

There are also some excellent replies on the calibre of arms that appear to be used which cast doubt on the story.

So instead of sounding off without thinking, how about everyone take a breather and then come back and prove this didn't happen as described - or conversely link to some sources that prove that it did.

Oh yes this is all a big lie! The enemy always lie and the US news is always right. Get your heads out of your rear ends! US media lied about the war on Iraq...so how are they still right? Most of the US citizens are lied all the time.

So you think the US military are not capable of killing innocent civilians? That is just rubbish. My heart goes out to the innocent. I hope God takes his vengeance on the wickedly evil.

while I do think that the video is graphic, and shows abvious civilian casualties(namely that children) it doesn't show who killed. It also doesn't an american in it. If it was a helicopter gunship that attacked this, I believe they carry a 50 cal on board. I could be wrong, but if the 50 cal was opening up on the cars, I would expect more damage to them to be honest. While my heart goes out to the children, I think its clear that we don't truly know the circumstances behind this, and as such can't clearly state what is, and what isn't wrong with this.

Just my 2 cents,

Cheers,

Camain

Originally posted by manson_322
reply to post by SRTkid86

 

except that the videos are a investigative doumentary of the famed journalist John Pilger documentary 'War on democracy '

by the way, intellnet.org is website that contains the chronological events of US invasions,Genocides and destruction performed by USA

a website that calls the american gov't a terrorist organization is something to disregard as well, as it is ovious it's a biased source that will put a spin on anything bad that happens to try and track it back to the US having something to do with all the bad in the world.

lol, USA sponsored death squads in latin america and islamic terror in 80's

lol, USA is state sponsor of terror

believe what you want, but what you posted is not what i would call hard verifiable and credible evidence

and you have no evidence at all...to show that USA has not performed grievous war crimes against humanity

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[edit on 30-6-2008 by manson_322]

While you're scouring the internet looking for anything and everything you can to cast blame on the United States, I challenge you to find one country that has a military who has never been accused of war crimes.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

reply to post by sos37

I bet all the countries in the "coalition of the willing"...


...before they were willing.

Here's what you wrote in your most recent thread, jhill76:

"Then we have other topics (various ones) that have no proof and they get like 100 flags and 200 pages of debate."

With this thread you started here you are unconditionally blaming American troops for the actions in the video. Care to explain where your proof is this was done by Americans? If you cant, then you yourself are one of the very people you are complaining about in your most recent thread.

Why assumed this is true, your sources our from the very people that want to kill us, do you think they dont have cgi, do you think they wouldnt kill there own and blame it on us...this is amazing. People are more willing to believe propaganda put out by the enemy than there own goverment. We live in a sad time, to bad it gonna take a very big slap in the face to wake people up...

reply to post by alienj


So are you saying that your media does not put out bogus stories for your leaders agenda? How did the administration sell the war against Iraq? It was
MSM. Saddam was a perfectly fine leader. Sure he killed people, but the war has taken more lives, injured more people and misplaced a lot more Iraqi's then Saddam ever will.

But since you are fed propaganda from your MSM, I guess it is okay.

Here is more propaganda from the "enemy".

Source # 1

Reuters

In the most recent incident, in the town of Ishaqi north of Baghdad last week, Iraqi police said that US troops had shot 11 people, including five children, in their home. The local police chief, Colonel Farouq Hussein, said that all the dead had been shot in the head, according to autopsies. "It's a clear and perfect crime," he said. In an incident in the town of Haditha in western Iraq on 19 November last year, US soldiers went on a rampage in a village after a bomb attack and killed at least 15 civilians, according to witnesses and local officials cited by Time magazine in an investigation.
The Independent

So are the other sources lying? I don't think so.

[edit on 30-6-2008 by Equinox99]