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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
It's not a few i've met. In my life i have pretty much alwys had female friends, i get on with them better for some reason, and i have to say that most are like it and lots of them know and agree that they're like it lol. It wasn't an assumption, it's what i've seen, assumption is based on no knowledge or a very limited kind.
My womans magazine comment wasn't hypothetical though, it was based on ones i have picked up and read when bored at the dentist or doctor.
No i don't think we're as bad as people are claiming but women are getting worse in my view.
Materialistic gain drives women even more than men i think. Men see it as a success thing women only want those men who've gained lots of material worth. It goes back to the old evolutionary drive of wanting someone who can provide for their children i suppose but i still find it a worrying trend.
I'm sorry i sounded so cynical of women, i love women as i said nearly all my friends are women! However it does give me some informed insight i think.
At the same time men are getting lost, unable to discern what their role should be. In my time i've been called a chauvanistic pig for holding a door open for a woman, and another time called an insensitive tosser for not holding a door open. You can't win
Originally posted by joecamel
I should have clarified: I wasn't trying to imply that a few girls YOU knew were this way. I was trying to say that out of EVERY WOMAN in the United States, the women you've met through your life represents a fraction of the national number.
Originally posted by joecamel
This is actually where I started getting sad. I was referencing us, as in, humanity. My comment was, "I'm glad to see so many people looking deep into this issue. Humanity isn't as bad off as people say." The fact that you sprung from there to go into this:
Originally posted by joecamel
It has nothing to do with evolution. MEN ran the society that made money all powerful. Not women. MEN ran the society that fought to spread religion that oppressed anyone who wasn't them. MEN ran the society that refused to give women the right to vote. MEN ran the ad firms who created those commercials in the 1920's and 30's and 40's and 50's that created this so-called "materialistic drive" that's oh-so-present in women.
Originally posted by joecamel
If you're going to stick with that old '50's philosophy and assume you know what really drives women, then why don't we just go on and ASSUME what these women are buying. Clothes, furniture, purses, makeup, accessorries!! Things to put on because the society around them (run by MEN remember) continuously tells them that's what they NEED.
Originally posted by joecamel
What do men frivolously spend their money on? So long as we're assuming! Cars, videogames, strippers, beer, sports, geek hobbies. Dates. All of these things are for self gratification. Women are preyed upon by way of emotional response. Men are preyed upon by way of boredom.
Originally posted by joecamel
And here's the coup de grace, actually recognizing and pointing out how you sound, then justifying it immediately. If you heard a woman make a general comment about men then said they have some insight because nearly all their friends are men, what would you say? I'd hate to assume that "uppity" would be the first word of your response.
Originally posted by joecamel
You certainly can. It starts with appealing to an individual woman's likes and dislikes, not what you've come to expect all women to appreciate.
This society has a problem with the male image, male father figures and male status's in relationships.
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
women have been putting up with this crap for hundreds of years. this might just be simple blowback. doesn't make it any more right to do to men...shouldn't be done to anyone...but maybe now at least you all can empathize.
or you might just be being too sensitive...take your example about the man with a burglar downstairs. that's a perfectly possible reaction, much as you all might like to think you're all macho freaks. everyone gets startled or scared, especially woken up out of a dead sleep.
let's not be too sensitive is my overall reaction. makes you look...um not so macho.
[edit on 15-6-2008 by ~Lucidity]