Soaring price of food 'leads to riots'

We should not be talking about abandoning everyone in our communities to "head for the woods".

It is our duty as citizens of whatever country we're in to help and protect our community and the people in it. We should be developing contingency plans on what kind of leadership, coordination, and cooperation we will be offering for our communities upon such disasters.

For all who talk about when are people going to step up and take charge, that would be the most important time. without leadership, all the people will be lost and degenrate into Anarchy. but if we all pitch in, bring reason and empathy. Provide answers and solutions, we can minimize the effects f the anarchy before order is restored.

To abandon our people in the greatest time of need for our own ungauranteed self-preservation is not only selfish and cowardly, it may very well be treason.

I applaud you MikeBoyd and anyone else in the service, that plan to stay in it during the crisis, hopefully I will have gone through enough people to be allowed to serve by that time (Really hoping by the summer honestly, but I dont know how long it could take)

In a time of crisis it is urgent that those with reason, logic, and solutions gather the courage to lead the lost out of sorrow and into prosperity.

*pokes DYepes to see if he's real*

As wonderful and compassionate as your reasoning is, would you apply those same thoughts to those who are turning their back on society as we speak?

p.s; i'm not trying to be a critic here, but a realist.

If there is a difference, shoot me.

[edit on 8-4-2008 by Throbber]

Those who are turnign their back on society are the evil rulers who are more powerful at this time. There is nothing I can do about them until the crisis from their greed emerges.

Do you not understand? Many of the great leaders emerged upon the onset of chaos, as the institution that kept them at bay as a threat to the existing power has dissapeared.

The old leaders will not exist anymore. If you honestly believe the wrold will collapse, and the rich are just going to get away, you are mistaken. They never get away. As they have dissolved the institutions that kept them in power, their own protections have dissolved with it. While they go and hide from the vengeful wrath of the exploited, the new institutions that emerge will atrract the few loyalists tey have left.

Either they are left to wither through time, or their crimes are remembered and they are brought to justice. Most of the time they just wither. Occasionally they are punished, if they stick around close enough.

reply to post by DYepes



Sorry, although what you have to say sounds good, not my cup of tea. I'm primarily going to be worried about feeding my family and self. I can honestly say that I will feed my dog (who I love very much) before I feed anybody outside my "tribe" if you will.

While this may sound cruel to you and your idealistic nature, it's simply Darwinian law.

If you can't hunt, move silently and keep from leaving tracks, keep your mouth shut, or otherwise contribute, you're my competition for that next meal. That makes you my enemy.

In sit x, there is little room for compassion. I will ensure that my gene pool survives, I'm not responsible for the neighbors.

There is absolutely no shortage of food, except to say that this is a man made disaster of hoarding food for greed of peak prices. Suddenly anyone and everyone is climbing onto the futures stock exchange to buy food that will be grown in the next 5 years, like punting their money in a casino brothel game, because the dollar is dipped in crap, stock market is in deep trouble, due to fictitious figures and the only place left to hide is the Food Commodity Market.

These Oil and Food punters say that food is needed for biodiesel, when there is an ocean of looted oil at the terminal, the real reason is Greed

reply to post by DYepes



Just watch. When it's clear to everyone that all this horror has been planned by the usual suspects, we will shake them off like a bad habit and start relying on open, publicly accountable, responsible public agencies to take care of the problems that affect all of us.


Everyone can FEEL something wrong. We all KNOW we are being lied to, if only on a subconscious level.


They keep saying "trust us". Phooey... You're a pack of liars and thieves.

So let's put away the camo and the eye black for a few minutes, and discuss the "problem."

What foods are so scarce suddenly? According to the article, food scarcity is caused by poor weather and rising demand.

Well, neither of those is the case, at least not any moreso than normal. And the allegation that scarcity is cause by the moves to biofuels is unfounded, also.

Commodity speculators cause prices to rise without merit; witness what they do to oil prices.

I think this article is just a gloom and doom attempt at creating panic.

Can i throw in a link to a thread i made a week ago? For a while i have banged on about biofuel, we need to stop it if we wish to feed the people of the world. If we just got rid of this silly idea then we'd be able to lower food prices and feed millions more.

Ethanol - The Wasted Crop - www.abovepolitics.com...'

The thread hasn't received one reply which i don't understand when it's such an important issue. I've included tons of sources and commented on each one so take a look if you can.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by ElectricUncleSam

 

First they have to find me and my food. More than likely though since I'm in the military I'll be in a "Green Zone" and preoccupied with restoring order and quarantine.

There will be plenty of "Green Zones" near and around US military bases. I would suspect the Shreveport-Bossier area of Louisiana will have a hefty one, considering how important Barksdale AFB is and plus the Minden munitions depot is nearby. An hour or so south is Fort Polk in Leesville. These are places where I would warn the locals to not get out of hand. The military will be helping out with humanitarian aid, but if people act like animals there are other types of "aid" that can be provided.



[edit on 8/4/08 by MikeboydUS]

Well if they get too out of hand there is always the Oakdale facility waiting for new customers just outside of Ft. Polk - Can anyone say Rex 84? I knew you could.

I am quoting my entire post from the John Titor American Civil War thread to here, you can find the original post with hyperlinks on page 217:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

8 April 2008
Hungry mob attacks Haiti palace

news.bbc.co.uk...


Crowds of demonstrators in Haiti have tried to storm the presidential palace in the capital Port-au-Prince as protests continue over food prices.

Witnesses say the protesters used metal bins to try to smash down the palace gates before UN troops fired rubber bullets and tear gas to disperse them.

Several people are reported to have been injured in the clashes.

At least five people have been killed in Haiti since the unrest began last week in the southern city of Les Cayes.

The demonstrators outside the presidential palace said the rising cost of living in Haiti meant they were struggling to feed themselves.



Thats whats going on today, here in reality, 680 miles off the coast of Miami, in the Americas.

also,

5 April 2008
Food riots turn deadly in Haiti

news.bbc.co.uk...


The UN said its personnel had opened fire at some of the armed protesters.


and

4 April 2008

Food Riots Occur in Seven Countries

www.drudge.com...


Sharply rising prices have triggered food riots in recent weeks in Mexico, Morocco, Senegal, Uzbekistan, Guinea, Mauritania and Yemen, and aid agencies around the world worry they may be unable to feed the poorest of the poor. In the Philippines, officials are raiding warehouses in Manila looking for unscrupulous traders hoarding rice, while in South Korea, panicked housewives recently stripped grocery-store shelves of food when the cost of ramen, an instant noodle made from wheat, suddenly rose. The shadow of "a new hunger" that has made food too expensive for millions is the result of a sudden and dramatic surge in food prices around the world.


24 March 2008
The Associated Press: Food Prices Soaring Worldwide

ap.google.com...

Clashes over bread in Egypt killed at least two people last week, and similar food riots broke out in Burkina Faso and Cameroon this month.



The World's Growing Food-Price Crisis
Feb. 27, 2008 By VIVIENNE WALT

Food Price Hikes Roil Pakistan
Feb. 27, 2008 By SIMON ROBINSON/ISLAMABAD

Food crisis: India teeters on brink
April 1, 2008 Thaindian News

Venezuela Imports 74,000 Tons Of Food To Avert Crisis
January 22, 2008 Vittorio Hernandez

Seeding the food crisis
April 1, 2008 By Linda Chavez

Global Food Crisis Expected to Produce Social Unrest
April 03, 2008 Susan Jones

Food Crisis
Mar 14, 2008 Washington Post




The trick is to not turn off your fear when you'll need it the most,

Sri Oracle

I beleive there is enough food to feed everyone. Or potentialy enough food to feed everyone and more than enough energy to accomodate everyone. Those of you prepared to bug out, I'd rather you lead and teach the rest of us how to dig in. When the time comes I mean.

reply to post by ElectricUncleSam
I guarantee you'll have a lot of company when you do! That's what everyone plans to do unfortunately. What will actually happen is a lot of home invasions, looting, robberies, and killing.

Hati is hardly Kansas.....Food prices might be up in places because there is less farming and more people. The prices HAVE to go up. supply and demand says that. In a free market economy why should money not be made?? If you want free food, grow it, or kill it. short of that EVERYTHING is going to get more expensive as the population gets bigger. I have only noticed a rise in gas prices here. Food prices went up a long time ago. It is good to have a month or so of food stocked up, along with meds, ammo, and gas. Have a hand pump for yer water well if you can. If not get a bunch of Fiji Water. And AMMO AMMO AMMO.....That will go away before guns ever do. Get 9mm .308 .22 and 12GA. IMHO You can never have too much ammo or water.

reply to post by LLoyd45


That could happen..............I know that if it does and I am hungry enough, the home invaders are going into my deep freeze.

Yum People jerky

reply to post by jsobecky
I imagine most of the guys here don't do the shopping for their families, well I do. Nothing has become scarce yet, but the prices in the last year have almost double on most items.

This time last year rice was .99 cents for a three pound bag, it is now $1.89, milk was $2.29 a gallon, now it's $3.69, and cannned goods have risen about .25 cent in the last six months. Flour, which is made from wheat has also went from .99 cent for 5lbs to $1.69 for 5lbs. I can't wait to see the prices this week. It seems lately every 2 weeks the prices edge up just a little more.

I raise most of our meat, so I can't vouch for meat prices, but I imagine they've risen proportionately as well.

Stock up now while you still can afford to. Buy a few chickens and rabbits too if you have a place to keep them. They cost little to raise, and can provide you with a lot of protein during lean times.

A great read on survival living is a web site called Possum Living. It has a lot of great information on how to live with little to no money. It's got a good storyline as well.



[edit on 4/8/08 by LLoyd45]

reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
That's definitely one way to make the best out of a bad situation. As they say: Improvise, adapt, overcome.

All I know is that, I am activley becoming involved with my community more and more everyday as I begin to reduce my time in front of time consuming screens.

It is amazing how productive two hours can be when you are out in youe neighborhood instead of watching a movie. I now routinely clean the pond in front of my building, gotten more acquainted with my neighbors, feel more active, and just enjoy the outdoors.

My 15 month old son lvoes being otuside with me, meeting new people and just watching what I do.

Take a stand. do not allow your community to fall into disarray in a time of crisis without trying anythign to help. You would be amazed at how many people are actually willing to just listen and look for guidance. There will be much conflict, but obviously the need for a moderatly trained group of friends can go a long way, so long as the intentions and ideals are in the right place.

I do not plan on abandoning society to condemnation. I am goign to stay, and I am going to do my part as a citizen. I will die trying to make sure our land does not dissolve into an unstable anarchy without hope.

If you do not try, you have already failed.