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Originally posted by nicepants
Then you must not be using this method, because all of your witnesses corroborate the impact.
Originally posted by hybridx
I really want to see what your side of the story is. ON THIS SITE!
Yep. You own witness
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by beachnut
Nothing has been "cherry picked".
We provide independent verifiable evidence PROVING a deliberate military deception in regards to the impact.
You have provided zero independent verifiable evidence of a 757 impact.
"A plane just flew into the Pentagon," Boger
I got it now, everyone who does not support your theory is a liar for the Government, and that includes your witnesses except where they support your made up path, fly over, or other ideas you have made up without real evidence. Make up the rules and you win in only your own mind. Your witnesses are a perfect source to show your conclusion are made up.
"... we saw a plane coming toward us, for about 10 seconds ... It was like watching a train wreck. I was mesmerized.... At first I thought it was trying to crash land, but it was coming in so deliberately, so level ... Everyone said there was a deafening explosion, but with the adrenaline, American Airlines 737 twin-engine airliner strike the building.we didn’t hear it.
Marine Corps officer Mike Dobbs was standing on one of the upper levels of the outer ring of the Pentagon looking out the window when he saw an
"It seemed to be almost coming in slow motion," he said later Tuesday. "I didn’t actually feel it hit, but I saw it and then we all started running." Dobbs, Mike
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Originally posted by nicepants
You're rejecting the "hard evidence" that AA77 hit the pentagon.
Now who's biased?
Please provide independent verifiable evidence specifically that a 757 hit the Pentagon as the challenge in the OP requests.
So far none has been presented.
Originally posted by nicepants
? Did you watch your own video? All of your witnesses state that the plane hit the pentagon.
Originally posted by beachnut
"A plane just flew into the Pentagon," Boger
Thus proving you cherry pick what your witnesses said, and you ignore the independent verified statements made well before you started making up stories and using just part of witness statements to support your false story.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Originally posted by nicepants
? Did you watch your own video? All of your witnesses state that the plane hit the pentagon.
Everyone knows the north side claim and impact are mutually exclusive.
Everyone knows the north side claim proves a deliberate military deception and to suggest that all the witnesses were wrong about the north side would have to mean that they all simultaneously hallucinated the exact same thing.
But you are off topic which is against the rules in this forum.
Please stick to the topic and present independent verifiable evidence of a 757 impact or concede that your belief in this conspiracy theory is purely faith based.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CITWhy are you so concerned with CIT that you sign up to forums specifically to cast doubt on our claims?
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CITWhy do you embrace faulty logic and faith over evidence?
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CITEveryone knows the north side claim and impact are mutually exclusive.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CITEveryone knows the north side claim proves a deliberate military deception and to suggest that all the witnesses were wrong about the north side would have to mean that they all simultaneously hallucinated the exact same thing.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Originally posted by nicepants
? Did you watch your own video? All of your witnesses state that the plane hit the pentagon.
Please stick to the topic and present independent verifiable evidence of a 757 impact or concede that your belief in this conspiracy theory is purely faith based.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Sean Boger saw the plane bank over the Navy Annex and fly north of the citgo. This proves he was mistaken in regards to the impact just like the citgo witnesses.
Originally posted by nicepants
You are the one using faulty logic:
You claim that corroboration makes your eyewitness claims correct, yet when they corroborate something that contradicts your theory, you claim that they are wrong. That's faulty logic. (Confirmation bias)
Your own witnesses contradict themselves, you simply reject the claims which disagree with your theory.
Originally posted by nicepants
If 2 mutually exclusive claims are made, how were you able to determine which one was correct, and which one was false?
How do you know that they were not correct about the impact and therefore mistaken about their "north of citgo" claims?
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Since the claims are mutually exclusive everyone must choose which to accept.
There is strong scientific logic involved in choosing the north side claim.
1. The witnesses were all much closer to the plane as it passed by the station compared to when it reached the building giving a hard physical reason to accept the north side claim first.
2. In order for the impact claim to be true the witnesses would all have had to have simultaneously hallucinated the same thing which is a drastic mistake that would be virtually impossible for anyone to make due to their vantage point. The north side claim proves a deliberate military deception which is much different.
Originally posted by nicepants
1. The plane was moving approximately 530 mph which would have made it extremely difficult for these witnesses to determine an exact location. Seeing it hit a building, however, doesn't require the same degree of precision.
2. In order for the NOC claim to be true, the witnesses would all have to have simultaneously hallucinated the same impact.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Originally posted by nicepants
1. The plane was moving approximately 530 mph which would have made it extremely difficult for these witnesses to determine an exact location. Seeing it hit a building, however, doesn't require the same degree of precision.
2. In order for the NOC claim to be true, the witnesses would all have to have simultaneously hallucinated the same impact.
1. They don't have to determine an "exact location". They merely needed to be able to tell the extremely general and simple claim about what side of the property on which they were standing it flew. For anyone to get such a simple and general claim wrong would be extremely difficult if not impossible but for ALL of them to get it wrong the same way is certainly impossible.
2. The north side claim proves a deliberate deception. Perhaps you aren't familiar with what that means but it has nothing to do with hallucinations.
Now stick to the topic unless of course you are not able to provide any independent verifiable evidence that a 757 hit the Pentagon then either concede your belief in the official conspiracy theory is faith based or go post in a thread with an appropriate topic.
[edit on 7-4-2008 by Craig Ranke CIT]
Originally posted by nicepants
1. Are you saying that it is impossible for all of them to have been wrong about the plane being north of the citgo? Even though we know that the flight path they described is impossible?
2. Wait.. If they are wrong about NOC then they were hallucinating, but if they were wrong about impact it proves a deception? Faulty logic indeed.
The DNA of the passengers of AA77 was recovered from within the Pentagon, as were parts of the plane,
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
It's not impossible. That is a jref lie from fabricated and tweaked numbers.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
If the plane hit there was no deception meaning they all simultaneously hallucinated the same thing.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CITIf the plane was north of the citgo it proves a deliberate deception that has nothing to do with hallucinations.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
The DNA of the passengers of AA77 was recovered from within the Pentagon, as were parts of the plane,
That is not independent verifiable evidence, that is unverifiable faith based evidence.
Originally posted by nicepants
DNA is not "faith based evidence".
Please explain, then, what you consider to be "verifiable independent evidence"?