Police arrest anti-war protester, 80, at mall.

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Do you speak for all?That wasnt hateful-that was my opinion on the results of the global commendiering of society.So b4 you give me a maybe you should not be to quick to judge other peoples opinion and maybe you should read into what people say more:I said nothing of "property rights"you will not put your beliefs into my words my friend.

EDIT to add:If you thought that was hateful-are you in for a shock when you really see the world for what it is.

[edit on 3/31/2008 by jkrog08]

Originally posted by dk3000
I agree that citizens should not be narking each other out and then having the police show up to shirt the blame.

However- it is not beyond the police for this scenario either:

Mall administrator gets customers who are irritated by a citizen who is trying to create an atmosphere to rally attention so they express political/social views. The Mall manager's responsibility is to customer satisfaction then to store owners trying to sell wares to the public.

Mall manager calls the police (policy/procedure????). Police inform Mall manager to have a customer place the protester under citizens arrest for disturbing the peace because unless this occurs they cannot not intervene.

Mall manager requests and conveys information to angry shopper- who agrees to place protester under citizen's arrest as soon as police arrive in the parking lot.

GET A CLUE PEOPLE!!!

True to a point.....a good officer who is called before hand would never tell them to place him under a citizens arrest. As soon as we do and you actually do it, all of our discretion is gone and the arrest by law has already been made. So we cannot pull it or decide he shouldn't be charged.

If they would of just called the Police and said they WANTED him arrested for trespassing, the cops could have decided after getting there and seeing what was going on whether it was something THEY wanted to charge him with, or simply escort him off the property.

Your idea is good, but you gotta keep out the citizens arrest part if you want US to be able to decide what to do legally.

Sounds like some locals haven't heard of the term 'Free Speech'? That is still allowed in the US, isn't it? There must be some film that the residents have seen that would educate them to know this?


Or the old chestnut of may be not agreeing with what your fellow human is saying but defending their right to say it. That should have been the approach of the security/police but may be they are taught different there now? Again there must be some Fox or Disney movie that your law enforcement offices have sat through that again has illustrated this point?

Originally posted by rcwj75

Originally posted by roadgravel
or is it just a on the spot call by the police.

See this is what I mean. Police didn't just show up and arrest the guy! We respond to complaints made by others or as I stated we have rules to follow when someone/security makes a citizens arrest. You people really need to learn more about the laws and way laws are enforced before ALWAYS assuming the police make all the decisons.

I fully understand and agree with what you are saying. However, I fear that the reason the police have been villainized so much is because of what we are witnessing in some of the bigger cities. Especially NYC.

For me, I now live in a very small town in the middle of Ohio. Everyone knows everyone. We know all of the police and sheriffs in town. They respond to calls and such as they are expected to. We appreciate all that they do and I still hold a deep respect for them.

Like I said, it's not 'those' police that are beginning to worry people. It's the ones that make comments caught on tape like, "You see what she had in the front of her car? The Constitution!" Said with a chuckle. It's the police that treat people with disrespect because they claim to know their rights.

I know what you are going to say. These people probably do something to deserve being accosted. Well, let me just say this. I have seen things that didn't deserve it. I'll just put it this way, if an officer of the law decides to pull someone over they had better be prepared to give reasons and answers. Fair is fair. If they ask for someone's ID and registration then they should be willing to say, "You know why I pulled you over? Well, you did this and that." Instead, when asked what they have done these particular style of officer demand their ID without giving the proper response. Then things get out of hand because people DO have rights in this country and many of these people have educated themselves on those rights.

Just my thoughts.

Also, THANK YOU with all of my heart for your work for us all. You are showing why I still respect the police.

Originally posted by AboveTopSecretDotCom
This world is being trained to accept police officers as their masters. The globalists, who believe they can control the world (members of the United Nations & European Union) make so many laws against free people. Expect more people to protest against the wars, which those 2 wicked organizations have started.

Also: expect more unlawful arrests, and a revolution, which will be televised.

You obviously have no idea whats going on in this situation, and definitly haven't read the story, much less the posts up to the point you decided to chime in.

Originally posted by merryxmas
Hey rcwj75 you're a cop in the ATL? You don't happen to work in Zone 6 do ya?

No I work for a county dept just north of the city....I deal with the same element but get paid more then the city guys..

Originally posted by chiponbothshoulders
There is something in between making an arrest,and correcting the problem without making an arrest.

THAT THING IS CALLED DISCRETION.

And even if the police do not believe it is within their options,it still is an option.How about this..if a police officer thinks that maybe what he is being told he has to do in a certain situation is wrong,maybe he should do what he knows is right,and be man enough to answer to the authorities himself for upholding what he..................

AHHHHHH,nevermind,this country is so far gone that there really is no point trying to explain it....most of you would not understand it even if you had better reading comprehension

For someone who wants to question other peoples reading comprehension you sure need to check your own. I as a current LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER will tell it one more time, JUST FOR YOU!!!!

We do NOT have discretion BY LAW when a citizen makes a lawful arrest. Security Guards are citizens...so once they did so, we are bound by law to make the official arrest. Had there NOT been a crime commited THEN we could have said he is not under arrest and just needs to leave the property...but that didn't happen here.

I will agree it would be nice to show up and tell the citizen, "Sorry bud, but we are just going to escort him off the property and your arrest is null and void at this time" but it can't happen..that means WE just broke the law. If you don't like it, have your state change their law on the books. Until then stop blaming the wrong people....AGAIN! As for being man enough to challenge the authority over you...sorry but use some common sense, picking your battles wisely assures you won't be out of a job to quickly!!!

Originally posted by tyranny22

I believe you're right in this instance ... and many others.

But, there are many cases in which police, when dealing with less than favorable conditions, abuse the system only because they lack the mental stability to stay calm under pressure.

Such as when police are called to a domestic dispute that has already been resolved by those involved, only to be insulted by one of the suspects. Rather than back down and admit that there is no longer any problem, they grab the suspect, slam him to the ground, shove a knee into the suspects kidney, proceed to cuff and arrest the suspect ... for an insult.

Can you show me a law that states it's illegal to insult a police officer? There are none ... unless a local law for foul language can be applied.

I'm sure the charges were listed as disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, or some other bogus at-will statue that the officer conjured up - yet in all actuality, there was no reason to make an arrest. Other than the officer couldn't handle an insult with integrity.

I'm not saying I side with the suspect. I think insulting ANYONE is a sign of a weak and insecure individual ... but the inability to deal with unfavorable circumstances makes some police officers just as weak and insecure as those they're trained to deal with in serving and protecting.

[edit on 31-3-2008 by tyranny22]

I understand your point and NO its not illegal to call an officer a name or cuss at him. But it is illegal to do it excessively and to the point where we cannot do our jobs. So if your standing there flipping a lid and we are trying to talk to a suspect or witness and take statements etc...and they won't shut up its obstruction. We aren't out there to be someones venting bag....and just like every other human, we have limits....personal limits...

As for your domestic scenerio...one major problem...in A LOT of states they have a Family Violence Law...which means it don't matter if we show up and Billy Bob and Mary are no longer fighting...BY LAW (again not the cops doing, its the states doing) someone has to be arrested and taken out of the house. We have to determine who the aggressor was and make the arrest.

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Okay,since you are an law enforcement officer let me ask you this:Can I then using this same right for a citizen to make a lawful arrest,place President Bush under citizens arrest for crimes against America and humanity?

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No, 'cause the Secret Service would blow your brains out. Did you really even have to ask?

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Agreed,but dont I legaly have the right to arrest him?

Originally posted by dariousg
I fully understand and agree with what you are saying. However, I fear that the reason the police have been villainized so much is because of what we are witnessing in some of the bigger cities. Especially NYC.

For me, I now live in a very small town in the middle of Ohio. Everyone knows everyone. We know all of the police and sheriffs in town. They respond to calls and such as they are expected to. We appreciate all that they do and I still hold a deep respect for them.

Like I said, it's not 'those' police that are beginning to worry people. It's the ones that make comments caught on tape like, "You see what she had in the front of her car? The Constitution!" Said with a chuckle. It's the police that treat people with disrespect because they claim to know their rights.

I know what you are going to say. These people probably do something to deserve being accosted. Well, let me just say this. I have seen things that didn't deserve it. I'll just put it this way, if an officer of the law decides to pull someone over they had better be prepared to give reasons and answers. Fair is fair. If they ask for someone's ID and registration then they should be willing to say, "You know why I pulled you over? Well, you did this and that." Instead, when asked what they have done these particular style of officer demand their ID without giving the proper response. Then things get out of hand because people DO have rights in this country and many of these people have educated themselves on those rights.

Just my thoughts.

Also, THANK YOU with all of my heart for your work for us all. You are showing why I still respect the police.

Thanks...and I don't disagree with you...in larger cities they don't have the lexury of hiring the best people. As bad/sad as that sounds, talk to any city officer and they will tell you there are PLENTY who shouldn't be wearing a badge, but there are quota's to be met. Also in a city like NY where you have 20,000 cops, its REAL hard to keep track so I am sure bad things happen....BUT

Don't lose sight of the element in NYC either. Sure there are bad cops but unlike your small town there are 5 times more criminals. Everyday in NYC there are more felony homicides, robberies, rapes, gang shootings, drug deals etc then the entire population of the town you currently live in...lol....so you can see that cops WILL act and WILL respond different then what small town people are used to. Do they have too...sometimes I would say yes...its just the element in which they are dealing....is it right in all situations to act that way...NO.

As for the ones caught making comments...like i said, we will always have some who are just idiots and with any luck get weeded out...

Originally posted by jkrog08

Agreed,but dont I legaly have the right to arrest him?

Yes you can IF you can show he broke a law in your state thats on the books. Your chances of getting close enough to actually arrest him...SLIM...but yes...he is a citizen!

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And thats where the tyranny begins-his employer(the people)not able to even get close to him,what a same-what is he a god?

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Well, the Secret Service has no idea what your true intention is. You may say you want to arrest the President, how are they to know you don't really want to stab him?

David Icke on the Totalitarian Tiptoe to Fascist Rule Over Citizens

I know not everyone on here respects David Icke, but he certainly knows what he's talking about when it come to fascism.

He said that for months he had been on ’special duties’ coordinating a top secret operation, meeting with ‘top brass’ from the police and national and local government. This was happening all over the country, he said, and certain officers had been chosen - or were having to do - what he was doing.

The officer asked for another promise from Andy not to reveal details of the conversation before saying that the government was preparing for what he was about to reveal ‘well, well, in advance’. They were expecting …

‘… a war, a lot of riots, a lot of very big trouble.’

The officer said that he understood that Andy and his colleagues had been given a number of cards, one with the Pace caution and one giving permission to enter various premises.

‘Let’s just say, I know, now, the reason you have been given them is because when all of this happens, and it will, we [the police] will be on the front line with the armed forces and people in your kind of jobs … parking wardens, security officers, CCTV operatives and so on will be required to do our job.’

‘You must be joking, that’s crazy’, Andy replied.

Link to full article
salonesoterica.wordpress.com...

War with Iran maybe... Gordon Brown off to America to meet Bush.

Silly or sinister ? More EU directives....

Bar managers and store owners face large-scale compensation claims if their customers ogle their barmaids, waitresses or check-out staff.

New sex discrimination laws also mean that landlords who allow loud sexist jokes or banter among drinkers could be taken before a tribunal.

The regulations say that bosses are responsible for protecting their staff from sexual harassment by customers - and that those who fail to do so can face unlimited compensation claims.

They mean that a pub landlord could be sued if a bar worker complains about being called "love", or over customers telling each other off-colour jokes.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

This government has completely lost the plot.....they are completely nuts or simply a bunch of fascist control freaks and they won't be happy until they've destroyed everything that was once good about this country.

Jacqui Smith to defy rebels with plans for 42-day detention without charge..I wonder what New labour's definition of a terrorist is? Nodoubt anyone who speaks out against this crazy government..

www.thisislondon.co.uk...

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I would say that it's no so much that people disrespect Icke as it its that they disbelieve him.

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Well even if I was searched and found not to be a threat they would never give me an apointment anyways and if they did they would never let me have him arrested.

Also the ATL police officer taking about obstruction of justice-well cant you all(police officers)just DETAIN the individual until the situation is resolved,I have heard that you get bonuses for making a number of arrest's(I dont know if this is true,maybe for some dept.'s,but thought I would ask.

Originally posted by jkrog08
And thats where the tyranny begins-his employer(the people)not able to even get close to him,what a same-what is he a god?

Yeah its sad...just like the rest of the suits in DC feel like they are ABOVE the normal people. Go to DC and try to talk to a congress person, or house person and see what happens....they don't talk to PEOPLE.

As director of the Northern Nevada Chapter of Artists Alliance of Nevada, as well as an outspoken poet and activist, I am very worried about this. People are being put through the wringer over t-shirts next my NPO will be shut down do to "subversive elements"(If you hear about this happening then you know we're in trouble, because we cater to mostly kids). Life in America is taking a turn for the worse.

America...Please stop hurting yourself like this.

Originally posted by mlmijyd
Sounds like some locals haven't heard of the term 'Free Speech'? That is still allowed in the US, isn't it? There must be some film that the residents have seen that would educate them to know this?

Yes, freedom of speech is still allowed. But you have NEVER had the absolute right to freedom of speech on private property in the United States. Ever.

I don't have to allow you to stand on my front yard espousing political beliefs I don't agree with, so why should a privately owned business have to allow it?

Originally posted by jkrog08
Also the ATL police officer taking about obstruction of justice-well cant you all(police officers)just DETAIN the individual until the situation is resolved,I have heard that you get bonuses for making a number of arrest's(I dont know if this is true,maybe for some dept.'s,but thought I would ask.

No, to detain someone you have to show that you feared for your safety or the safety of others. Just because he is an idiot and spouts off and cusses doesn't make him a threat...it makes him an obstructor...because we can't do our jobs. I know what your saying....but we just can't do it...once you cuff someone, by law, they are under arrest....again, unless you can show he was a physical threat.

The bonus rumor is WAY untrue. My god could you imgane if we got paid per arrest.....THAT would be trouble! No there is no bonuses for any arrest, and no kickback, etc. When an officer makes a drug bust for $2 million bucks...get what he gets...a hand shake and a news article. ALL that money goes to the Dept. and City......