Asteroid 2007 TU24 has NASA concerned.

reply to post by hantavirus


I've learned most of what I know about this subject in just following this thread.

Not much help in answering your question, I'm afraid.

It seems no one really can say with any certainty exactly what's going to take place.

I don't think they're even sure of the asteroid's composition at this point.

But they are going to take another look on the 23rd, I think, so perhaps we'll learn more at that point.

reply to post by hantavirus


Nobody knows for sure what hit Tunguska or its size, there are size variations from 30 metres up to 1200 metres, and some say it could have been a comet instead of an asteroid.

Comparing a little know (before this time) asteroid with a completely unknown object is pure speculation.

I found this site but I'm assuming it's been posted already?

www.tu24.org...

Originally posted by Brad.T
Please do forgive me if this has already been addressed and answered, but could someone kindly tell me why, in the following set of NASA TU24 calculations, has a data entry for January 29th 2008 been either deleted or not entered at all?

2007 TU24 Planning

2008 Jan 20-21 21:10-03:13 5 -20 0.044 204 91 7
2008 Jan 21-22 21:04-03:13 6 -19 0.039 231 150 11
2008 Jan 22-23 20:57-03:15 6 -18 0.034 265 270 18
2008 Jan 23-24 20:50-03:19 7 -17 0.029 311 530 33 X-band monostatic
2008 Jan 24-25 20:41-03:25 7 -16 0.023 376 1200 68
2008 Jan 25-26 20:30-03:37 8 -13 0.018 473 3300 170
2008 Jan 26-27 20:15-03:59 9 -8 0.013 634 13000 560
2008 Jan 27-28 19:52-04:53 13 2 0.008 700 79000 3200
2008 Jan 28 19:12-14:49 26 39 0.004 700 852000 35000
2008 Jan 30 01:47-17:14 167 54 0.007 700 133000 5500
2008 Jan 31 04:32-17:04 177 41 0.012 700 20000 820
2008 Feb 01 05:01-16:56 179 35 0.017 700 5600 230
2008 Feb 02 05:12-16:50 181 32 0.022 676 2100 89
2008 Feb 03 05:16-16:44 181 31 0.027 570 930 42
2008 Feb 04 05:18-16:39 182 29 0.033 493 470 23
2008 Feb 05 05:18-16:34 182 29 0.038 435 260 14
2008 Feb 06 05:16-16:29 182 28 0.043 389 160 9
2008 Feb 07 05:14-16:25 182 27 0.048 351 98 6

I actually brought that up earlier as well. And I also stated if you look at the 0.004 for the 28th and days before it goes down roughly .004 daily that means on the 29th it would be 0.000

Which means to me we now know why they are all hiding out.

Hilda

I appreciate your replies and your ideas on this one. I'm just surprised no one in the media has picked this up. But then again, I think everyone else is feeling the same way.

reply to post by hildar


wow hildar! Good find...I missed that when I posted earlier...Maybe it will miss us by just a hair...I hope! The reason I say this is because they put the calculations back up again after the 29th. Why would they do that if it is going to hit us? Is someone trying to send a message that it is really going to hit?



[edit on 22-1-2008 by wrangell76]

Don't know if anybody has posted a link to this site yet (this is my first visit to this thread and I haven't gone thru all 29 pages)

The site is:
www.tu24.org

The wesite site states that:

This website was created to discuss the possibilities and to distribute information on the TU24 and WD5 events.

But this is what it says about the asteroid TU24

Although the chances of a direct impact are nearly NON-EXISTENT, there is a much greater chance that there will be a degree of electromagnetic interference as TU24 traverses Earth's magnetosphere in the manner of Tunguska 100 years ago.

It also set a threat level for the planet from the asteroid TU24

TU24 THREAT LEVEL
LEVEL 3: low distubance,
No pattern of electromagnetic disturbance
PROBABILITY OF IMPACT at 0.0%

And on THIS PAGE it says the TU24 will pass about .0037 AU's from Earth.

An AU is 149,598,000 kilometers, which I believe will mean TU24 will stay at least 500,000 kilometers (310,685 miles) away from Earth.


I have no idea how credible this site is, but if there is somebody who could dig into the site and find out when it was started and if it seems legit, I'd appreciate it.

[edit on 22/1/08 by Keyhole]

reply to post by hildar


I thought the 29th was supposed to be .0045.

Interesting find though, make sure you have plenty of water and dry food available in case # really does happen...

GOLDSTONE: G = 0.94 K/Jy, Tsys = 18.0 K, P = 440 kW, elev >= 20.0 deg, unhopped
(DSS-14 is unavailable for the best dates.)

Monostatic
UTC Dist. # SNR/ SNR/
start date window RA Dec (AU) runs day run
----------------------------------------------------------------------
2008 Jan 20-21 21:10-03:13 5 -20 0.044 204 91 7
2008 Jan 21-22 21:04-03:13 6 -19 0.039 231 150 11
2008 Jan 22-23 20:57-03:15 6 -18 0.034 265 270 18
2008 Jan 23-24 20:50-03:19 7 -17 0.029 311 530 33
2008 Jan 24-25 20:41-03:25 7 -16 0.023 376 1200 68
2008 Jan 25-26 20:30-03:37 8 -13 0.018 473 3300 170
2008 Jan 26-27 20:15-03:59 9 -8 0.013 634 13000 560
2008 Jan 27-28 19:52-04:53 13 2 0.008 700 79000 3200
2008 Jan 28 19:12-14:49 26 39 0.004 700 852000 35000
2008 Jan 30 01:47-17:14 167 54 0.007 700 133000 5500
2008 Jan 31 04:32-17:04 177 41 0.012 700 20000 820
2008 Feb 01 05:01-16:56 179 35 0.017 700 5600 230
2008 Feb 02 05:12-16:50 181 32 0.022 676 2100 89
2008 Feb 03 05:16-16:44 181 31 0.027 570 930 42
2008 Feb 04 05:18-16:39 182 29 0.033 493 470 23
2008 Feb 05 05:18-16:34 182 29 0.038 435 260 14
2008 Feb 06 05:16-16:29 182 28 0.043 389 160 9
2008 Feb 07 05:14-16:25 182 27 0.048 351 98 6

Goldstone DSS-14 will be offline for maintenance from Jan. 25-Feb. 15.

reply to post by aleon1018

I've been there recently and they are getting information from US!!!

They had no idea of the big honchos meeting in Darvos.

I think its nice to crossreference, anyway, at least in situations like these,

reply to post by hildar


Did you notice the link Brad.T put up is a google cache version?

Could you repost the link to what you found?

Is it still up?

Thanks

Boy, it would really help if someone could gather up all the links and post them again...maybe I'll get to it later...

Hey, mungodave, you busy?

That way we can all stay up to date, dang, I should have been bookmarking them as I progressed through this thread...believe me I've read every post...

just want to say that for me it's the best tread l have seen on this site for one reason .... we are not talking about something that could happen in 2012 or in 2056 ... it's appening now and we only have a week to find out what is realy going to happen ... there is a fine balance between those who beleave in a possible hit and those who dont and this is also very interesting . for my self , just like some of you the big silence from the media specialy for such a close hit is very strange ... now if nasa would have been very sure about this tu24 trajectory you can be sure they would be very please to talk about it on the news because it deserve to go on the news ... but has l said it,s nice cause we only have few more days to find out if it will or will not hit ... keep the balance on it is just pecfect
PS sorry about my english l'm french canadian

reply to post by SEEWHATUDO


Don't worry, although I can not for sure guarantee that nothing is going to happen, all analysis of the orbit show that the asteroid will not hit the Earth or the Moon.

Even if the hypothesis of a different electrical charge between Earth and the asteroid is true (which I doubt, backed up by my knowledge of electricity and the lack of answers to my questions about it), and there is a discharge from one astral body to the other (which I very much doubt), the discharge, as all electrical discharges, will occur between the surface of the charged objects, and these objects are, in this hypothesis, the asteroid and the positively charged magnetosheath; in the same way as a person inside a building with a lightning rod on its top, I don't think that such event would be noticeable on Earth.

As for the Davos' World Economic Forum, it ends on the 27th, so, once more, I think that this was only used to make the hypothetical asteroid event more credible.

(It failed, at least for me)

People keep bashing NASA, but in times like this they turn to NASA hoping to find the answers.

If we doubt NASA (which I don't, at least in this case ), then we can use other agencies that study this type of things, like NEODyS.

Their page about 2007TU24 has more or less the same information as the one from NASA, but I think that they have more information about its orbit.

In conclusion, I don't see any reason to fear any strange results from a hypothetical "plasma discharge", even less for a hit.

reply to post by biggie smalls


When you watch the little orbit page it shows that .004 for the 29th so NASA needs to redo that. because its untrue. If you look at all of the numbers from Goldstone you will see that on the days before it goes from .006 to .004 dow each day until the 28th when it is at .004 then on the 30th it shows it at .007. And it gains .005 daily after that.

Why, they left the 29th outr I do not know, and why it would go up by .007 on the 30th I do not know, either. but even at .004 its closer then the other side of the moon in fact we figured it to be half way between earth and the moon at that point and now with .004 being on the 28th it just means it will be closer. By how much I guess we wont ever know. or at least until the 29th we wont know.

I like many of you happen to have little ones as well, That is why I have kept trying to find out what is going on with this and I even got up with some folks that I know of that are into Astronomy and MUM is the word. Even in there wonderful big private forum they are refusing to answer anything. Which makes me know something is up. Why else would some of them have said last week they were going on vacation next week? It is a bit strange and even Ward wont open his mouth either so I am at Awe.

I think maybe I need to ask new questions like where are you all going to on Vacation this coming week lol. And see if that gets me somewheres. I am just so tired of hearing all the smae stuff and still no real answers to the real questions.

Hilda

Fellow ATSers, It is quite clear that some of us are worried bout any possible event relating to TU24 but where are the media???

What would it take to get this in the Media ie upon BBC news etc or something of the sort. We are part of the biggest conspiracy site there is surely we have a voice loud enough to convince media outlets to show this.

I hope for media attention so that the likes of the experts can be seen upon TV proving to us that this wont hit. It is only the media that can attract such types.

Surely there is a way of getting this heard. The rest of the world deserves to know to be on the safe side

Originally posted by planetfor_rent
now if nasa would have been very sure about this tu24 trajectory you can be sure they would be very please to talk about it on the news because it deserve to go on the news

I think this is what has caused some of the consternation from everyone, believers and skeptics alike. NASA has been somewhat vague about it, they don't have anything on their site about it (they have stuff about the asteroid that has less of a chance of hitting Mars, but not this), so when you combine all these things, it does give some room for nervousness.

PS sorry about my english l'm french canadian

Don't worry about it, you're doing great. You should hear my French!!!

Originally posted by goosdawg
reply to post by hildar

 

Did you notice the link Brad.T put up is a google cache version?

Could you repost the link to what you found?

Is it still up?

Thanks

Boy, it would really help if someone could gather up all the links and post them again...maybe I'll get to it later...

Hey, mungodave, you busy?

That way we can all stay up to date, dang, I should have been bookmarking them as I progressed through this thread...believe me I've read every post...

I hope that helps alot. I should have put it up myself I know I have been usually but figured everyone had kept it.

I am going to bathe the kids and get them off to bed then I can get some more info and put it up in here. I dont like showing my kids this info.

Hilda

echo.jpl.nasa.gov...

[edit on 22-1-2008 by hildar]

reply to post by hildar


Whew!

That page is still up then, for a while there I was a little worried that, well, maybe that page had gone missing...

Thanks!

reply to post by hildar


The link you posted does not mention a distance of .0045 Au, but this:

2008 Jan 29.35570 Earth .003704 .003702 .003706 9.248 7.52 7626.1 .000000

.003702 is the closest apparently...As far as computer foresight goes.

Originally posted by thesaint
Fellow ATSers, It is quite clear that some of us are worried bout any possible event relating to TU24 but where are the media???

What would it take to get this in the Media ie upon BBC news etc or something of the sort. We are part of the biggest conspiracy site there is surely we have a voice loud enough to convince media outlets to show this.

I hope for media attention so that the likes of the experts can be seen upon TV proving to us that this wont hit. It is only the media that can attract such types.

Surely there is a way of getting this heard. The rest of the world deserves to know to be on the safe side

I'm sure there are members of the media on this site already. As this is only the place I'VE seen so far making any kind of sense on the situation, it's almost a certainty a few would be lurking here to pick up the latest intel.