Possible four US carriers very soon

Originally posted by bodrul
Does this mean Iran can pre-emptively target these hostile forces and neutrolize most of them before they get to strike Iran?
its only fair if they are destined to attack the country that they should be destroyed beforehand by that country before losing offencive and defencive weapons capibility

Who knows, Iran has isolated itself from the World by thumbing it's nose and doing what they want anyway. Consider the military buildup a response to Iran's threats on Israel and her allies in the area. Stakes are more serious when you are developing nuclear technology that could be used as a weapon to commit mass genocide on a race of people just because you think this is what God is telling you to do.

Back on topic about the military build up. I would be interested if you had anything about preparations by Iran for a preemptive attack. Most of their attacks are already taking place via proxy with Hamas, and other islamic groups in the ME.

Originally posted by on_yur_6
Who knows, Iran has isolated itself from the World by thumbing it's nose and doing what they want anyway. Consider the military buildup a response to Iran's threats on Israel and her allies in the area. Stakes are more serious when you are developing nuclear technology that could be used as a weapon to commit mass genocide on a race of people just because you think this is what God is telling you to do.

so then yes they can.
since the build up is a Threat they have the right to a pre-emtive strike.
and please show where they believe israelis should be wiped out
and dont use the speach about the zionests as jews and zionest regieme are diffrent.

there is no proof of nuclear weapons ect.

united states seem to be doing the same, which is doing what it wants.

ps this is on topic

If the carriers actually go through the Straits of Hormuz into the Gulf, then yes, the Iranians could try to pull off a preemptive strike. Especially when they're transiting through the Straits. MOST of the time when there is a CBG in the Gulf, they stay outside the Gulf itself, and operate farther out, where it's harder to hit them. The USN is pretty reluctant to send carriers through the Straits, because it's too tight for them to keep escorts, and too easy for them to be hit. With most carrier aircraft able to carry buddy stores and act as a tanker, plus all the USAF tankers in the area, there's no real need for them to be parked in the Gulf, when they can sit outside and hit targets.

I've been looking at maps of the Hormuz Straits to get a better picture of what may be planned as either 'primary targets' or areas that would need to be secured by Marines on the ground should an assault happen, as oil/gas supply security will need to be a prime consideration in any planned offensive.

This first map should give a better picture of the Persian Gulf and related oil/gas facilities:



This second map shows a close-up of the coastal facilities off Bandar-Abbas in the Hormuz Straits:



(anyone notice a familiar logo in the lower margin of that second map? )

edit to add:

I just found this very informative cartographic site listing maps and diagrams of Iran's oil/gas/petrochemical infrastructure



[edit on 22-6-2007 by citizen smith]

Originally posted by Zaphod58
If the carriers actually go through the Straits of Hormuz into the Gulf, then yes, the Iranians could try to pull off a preemptive strike. Especially when they're transiting through the Straits. MOST of the time when there is a CBG in the Gulf, they stay outside the Gulf itself, and operate farther out, where it's harder to hit them. The USN is pretty reluctant to send carriers through the Straits, because it's too tight for them to keep escorts, and too easy for them to be hit. With most carrier aircraft able to carry buddy stores and act as a tanker, plus all the USAF tankers in the area, there's no real need for them to be parked in the Gulf, when they can sit outside and hit targets.

I've spent a lot of time in the Gulf with deployments in the past. two or three months of the normal 6 month deployment on a carrier are spent inside the Persian Gulf. And believe me it's no fun passing through the Straits!

Originally posted by bodrul

Originally posted by on_yur_6
Who knows, Iran has isolated itself from the World by thumbing it's nose and doing what they want anyway. Consider the military buildup a response to Iran's threats on Israel and her allies in the area. Stakes are more serious when you are developing nuclear technology that could be used as a weapon to commit mass genocide on a race of people just because you think this is what God is telling you to do.

so then yes they can.
since the build up is a Threat they have the right to a pre-emtive strike.
and please show where they believe israelis should be wiped out
and dont use the speach about the zionests as jews and zionest regieme are diffrent.

there is no proof of nuclear weapons ect.

united states seem to be doing the same, which is doing what it wants.

ps this is on topic

It would be a huge mistake for Iran to pull off a preemptive strike. This would give President Bush the reason he is looking for to take out Iran and their pursuit of nuclear technology/weapons and regional dominance.

The IAEA found high concentrations of enriched uranium and was then kicked out just recently. Funny how a country sitting on top of some of the largest energy reserves in the world seeks to obtain nuclear technology at any cost.

And yes he does threaten Isreal and the USA and allies all of the time.

Just amazed so many believe a country like Iran who has such a documented history of terrorizing others to get what it wants, should be on an equal footing with the USA....

I say the USA should stop all foreign aid and pull away from the ME and let the world come crying for help again just like in WW2.

Originally posted by on_yur_6
I've spent a lot of time in the Gulf with deployments in the past. two or three months of the normal 6 month deployment on a carrier are spent inside the Persian Gulf. And believe me it's no fun passing through the Straits!

I remember for awhile they only let them go through if they had to because it was too easy to hit them as they transited.

Originally posted by on_yur_6
It would be a huge mistake for Iran to pull off a preemptive strike. This would give President Bush the reason he is looking for to take out Iran and their pursuit of nuclear technology/weapons and regional dominance.

true, then again Iran is screwed either go down like cowards like the Arabs without taking out any hostile US forces or Take as many out as possible before being raped.

Originally posted by on_yur_6
The IAEA found high concentrations of enriched uranium and was then kicked out just recently. Funny how a country sitting on top of some of the largest energy reserves in the world seeks to obtain nuclear technology at any cost.

source with evidence

Originally posted by on_yur_6
And yes he does threaten Isreal and the USA and allies all of the time.

last time i checked they said they would defend them selves and
correct me if i am wrong but isnt self defence everyones right?
ones right to defend them selves from attackers

Originally posted by on_yur_6
Just amazed so many believe a country like Iran who has such a documented history of terrorizing others to get what it wants, should be on an equal footing with the USA....

this is pur jokes
you have just discribed the united states perfectly
created more terrorists then most nations, alquida and other groups by funding them to topple leaders they dont like and then backstabed by them.
the US has terroized countries into getting what it wants, invaded and destroyed two countries in 1 decade.

its scary knowing the US has nukes knowing they are the only ones to use them aswell , aswell as the prinicible of attacking other countries using faulse pretence.

name me a country Iran has invaded?
Name me a country Iran has thraetend, apart from self defence
also saying wiping out the zionest regieme of israel doesnt count.

Originally posted by on_yur_6
I say the USA should stop all foreign aid and pull away from the ME and let the world come crying for help again just like in WW2.

get over your self
the united states is beoming obsolete, and is ending up like all empires before it, crumbling and the best part is its the Lust for power and greed of the rich elite americans that are causing it,

almost all imports are from china and india.

so dont think the world revolves around the united states.

Originally posted by on_yur_6
The IAEA found high concentrations of enriched uranium and was then kicked out just recently. Funny how a country sitting on top of some of the largest energy reserves in the world seeks to obtain nuclear technology at any cost.

Because within 10 years Iran won't have the capability to draw any oil from the ground. The equipment they're using now was bought during the era of the Shah, and is falling apart rapidly. Within 10 years it will be useless, and they can't replace it because of sanctions.

Originally posted by bodrul
Does this mean Iran can pre-emptively target these hostile forces and neutrolize most of them before they get to strike Iran?
its only fair if they are destined to attack the country that they should be destroyed beforehand by that country before losing offencive and defencive weapons capibility

Why by all means attack the USN.Great move if your of the suicidal bent.And frankly i think the ayatollahs are WAY bent.But as clint said"GO HEAD,,MAKE MY DAY"

Originally posted by Xfile
Why by all means attack the USN.Great move if your of the suicidal bent.And frankly i think the ayatollahs are WAY bent.But as clint said"GO HEAD,,MAKE MY DAY"

you homophobic?
personaly i think bush and his friends are bent yes the arab leaders aswell

i agree it would be sucidal but then again it gives them a chance to make a dent in the US forces before they can do anything and any US military casulty is great PR for them and a thawn for PR in the US

If I were a Revolutionary Guard General, I'd be seriously considering having a slight collision accident with two Iranian-owned tankers as they happen to pass one another through the narrowest part of the straits of Hormuz where the deep-water cargo-channels are only 3-4 tankers wide...oops, now they just spilled 100,000 tons of cargo...sorry, no tanker traffic for at least 2-3 weeks..oh damn

Does this mean Iran can pre-emptively target these hostile forces and neutrolize most of them before they get to strike Iran?

Are you referring to Iran's Parchin Missile Industries plant supplying Kytushas and Shehab-3 missiles to hezbollah in Lebanon ?

...or the recent evidence of Chines arms being smuggled into Afghanistan to arm the Taleban against the UN mandated mission there ?

Are we talking about Iran supplying Shia militias in Iraq with shaped charges for IEDs and Nafez Rocket propelled grenades ?

I'd say Iran has not been bashful at all in pre-emptively attacking. So far they have simply not done so overtly.

Zapho58:

Because within 10 years Iran won't have the capability to draw any oil from the ground. The equipment they're using now was bought during the era of the Shah, and is falling apart rapidly. Within 10 years it will be useless, and they can't replace it because of sanctions.

That is not to say they lack oil reserves. They lack the technology and that is due in large part to trade embargoes in response to Iran's other conduct.

Iran has the solution at it's finger tips if it wants to peacefully re-enter the world community. This is a self inflicted crises for Iran because of it's own antagonistic foreign affairs.

Originally posted by sy.gunson
Iran has the solution at it's finger tips if it wants to peacefully re-enter the world community. This is a self inflicted crises for Iran because of it's own antagonistic foreign affairs.

If you mean 'a solution' in terms of accepting that they have a gun held to their head in the form of 4 carrier strike-groups and bow to demands that they sell their oil resources at a price and in a currency demanded, and allow western oil companies extraction-rights and drilling/pumping infrastructure rebuilding contracts, then yes, Iran does indeed have the solution at their fingertips

Originally posted by bodrul

Originally posted by Xfile
Why by all means attack the USN.Great move if your of the suicidal bent.And frankly i think the ayatollahs are WAY bent.But as clint said"GO HEAD,,MAKE MY DAY"

you homophobic?

personaly i think bush and his friends are bent yes the arab leaders aswell

i agree it would be sucidal but then again it gives them a chance to make a dent in the US forces before they can do anything and any US military casulty is great PR for them and a thawn for PR in the US

A"DENT"is about the best they could do...at the destruction of the ebtire countrys infrastructer

Originally posted by bodrul

Originally posted by Xfile
Why by all means attack the USN.Great move if your of the suicidal bent.And frankly i think the ayatollahs are WAY bent.But as clint said"GO HEAD,,MAKE MY DAY"

you homophobic?

personaly i think bush and his friends are bent yes the arab leaders aswell

i agree it would be sucidal but then again it gives them a chance to make a dent in the US forces before they can do anything and any US military casulty is great PR for them and a thawn for PR in the US

A"DENT"is about the best they could do...at the destruction of the ebtire countrys infrastructer

Originally posted by Xfile
i agree it would be sucidal but then again it gives them a chance to make a dent in the US forces before they can do anything and any US military casulty is great PR for them and a thawn for PR in the US

A"DENT"is about the best they could do...at the destruction of the ebtire countrys infrastructer

we all know the US is capible of destroying a an entire nations infrastructer espifcialy one with a defence far worse then a third world country. hopefully that dent would be a couple thousend personale,

Originally posted by bodrul

Originally posted by Xfile
i agree it would be sucidal but then again it gives them a chance to make a dent in the US forces before they can do anything and any US military casulty is great PR for them and a thawn for PR in the US

A"DENT"is about the best they could do...at the destruction of the ebtire countrys infrastructer

we all know the US is capible of destroying a an entire nations infrastructer espifcialy one with a defence far worse then a third world country. hopefully that dent would be a couple thousend personale, [/quote 2000 us casaultys in airstrikes??and arent you one of the people that state how irans defences are so underestimated?

2000 us casaultys in airstrikes??and arent you one of the people that state how irans defences are so underestimated?

a couple of thousend = 2000? damn you learn something new everyday
how did you work that out?
who said they would be caused by iranian airstrikes, last time i checked they have a range of weapons

alot of people believe that Irans defences are underestimated
hence they would be able to do damafe before going down

if you going to quote me please leave a space between your reply and what your quoting (no offence)
also dont mix and match quote everything or dont quote



[edit on 23-6-2007 by bodrul]