Why THEY will be revealed soon.

How do you know they dont care about us?

How do you know that they do care about us? Why not help us with civilization instead of watching us slaughter ourselves throughout history?

Reproduction of our species is not the sole purpose of life. Perpetuation of life is important, but where that life came from, and where it is going, is infinitely more important.

Why is it more important? Where do we go? Why is the end so important?

China and Russia are still superpowers, its just American media would like you to ignore that fact.

They "may" be superpowers when it comes to army and weapons, but like you know, money is the greatest weapon there is today. China may very well surpass America in the future. Another fact is that America has 750 bases all around the world, something neither Russia or China have.

What reason for nuclear war? Well, if America has a hand in attacking Iran then you can bet Russia and China will take action against America, and it will all spiral out of control.

What reason would China and Russia have to retaliate an attack on Iran? They would most likely build an economic blockade against America. Then, Russia and China is not allied. The reason mankind came close to nuclear war in the 1960's was because the world was divided in "East" and "West", with two distinct ideologies. Now, we only have the western one left.

As soon as Amer-israel uses one nuclear weapon on Iran, you think everyone else with nukes, who wants to use them, will just sit back?

They wouldn't "just" sit back, they would probably do something, but they would never risk nuclear war unless nukes were fired on them or threatened them in some way. And nobody wants to use a nuke, except madmen in movies.

Its called freewill. The human race is alot more important than you might think it is.

But then we must have the freedom to destroy ourselves too, must we not?

The elite will try everything in order to keep us from reconnecting with ourselves/spirit.

But aren't the elite humans as well?

1. In my OPINION (this is only an opinion - as was the origin of this thread, though people wanted "facts" or "evidence" from an opinion?!) aliens have helped humanity since recorded history. Just reference the bible for Pillars of clouds, or chariots of fire. I think they've interveined when it was neccesary to prevent the eventual decline of humankind.

This rather seems like deception. Instead of educating us about the universe they played "gods" and created religions that lasted thousands of years? Where were they during the crusades? Or when the plauge struk Europe? Why would they ever allow the Holocaust for that matter? It seems they rather manipulate mankind than to help them, intervening where they want and for their reasons.

2. I beleive there is much more to human exsistence than having sex to produce a child. Such things as pursuit of happiness - I enjoy being happy. Moral integrity - I think it's important to raise our children with values for life. Pursuit of knowledge - without which we wouldn't be typing right now because there would be no written language.
It's boils down to human emotion and curiosity (why are you on ATS anyway). An oddity in nature. Mankinds has the ability to evoke strong emotion - be it love or hate. But, I beleive we're here for more than sex to produce offspring.

Those are mostly results in our mental development. So what happy? Or that you can enjoy emotion? These are the very tools you use to get a woman/man to reproduce with. Then you die, and it is end of story, no?

(Cont. from previous post.)

3. Don't beleive everything the media says. Russia, China, France, England, Isreal, Pakistan and several other nations have the ability to wipe everyone from this earth. Especially given M.A.D. It'd only take 5 war heads aimed at different coutrys to envoke a worldwide nuclear holocust. Chances are very slim, but it could happen.

I never said it was impossible for mankind to nuke itself to death, only that chances are, like you said, very slim. While Iran does have oil, it is no reason to nuke the US, especially not by Russia or China.

But one reason to wage a nuclear war is Jihad.

Yes, but that would require millions of Muslims to join with a group with the intention to nuke the US and/or the western world. Al Quaeda, as of now, is very much an extremist group with not many people at all. The terrorist attacks committed every week is by groups who may claim to be them, but they have probably never even seen bin Laden. Of course, it could happen in the future...

On the opposite side, another reason would be "terrorist threats" - if a "terrorist nation" is about to require nuclear weapons and their neighbors back them rather than the US, they could gather a force that could repel a ground invasion - and possibly an air force or air support to greatly decrease the effectivness of air strikes, leaving only one option (beyond deplomacy) to stop the aquisition of nuclear technology.

Why even waste money on that? Just lock that country out of the global market, and propagate to other countries negative things about that country (Iran, I assume).

4. Who says they havn't?

Not just some, every single one of them.

I believe zero point energy technology will turn the world into a communist-capitalist hybrid type of community. Certain things will
be free for everyone - electricity, heat, air conditioning, water,
food and shelter. Robots powered by free energy can be used for
agriculture and for building shelter.

That would be impossible since communism is a society in which there are no money. You maybe mean socialism? As long as there is capitalism, and money for that matter, they will make sure that everything must be paid - even if they make energy with an ZPE. They could say that "it requires service and management".

Money will be devalued because of this. Working would be optional and you spend your money on non essential items, like entertainment, gourmet food, etc. Who care's if people in the oil industry loose their wealth or loose their jobs because of this? Everyone will be wealthy including the lower class.

I couldn't agree more. Too bad any such thing will not happen unless mankind acts against all corporate rulers.

An interesting word is interfere.

From my understanding the Grey's that I know will only confer one time to interfere and that is if we are about to destroy Earth for if we destroy E

An interesting word is interfere.

From my understanding the Grey's that I know will only confer one time to interfere and that is if we are about to destroy Earth for if we destroy Earth we will destroy there Laboratory.

I have described what the event would look like it's only to let you know they are here in mass and we had better stop. (it will be scary)







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Originally posted by observe50
From my understanding the Grey's that I know will only confer one time to interfere and that is if we are about to destroy Earth for if we destroy Earth we will destroy there Laboratory.

You seem to be in a perfect situation to provide absolute evidence of an alien lifeform. Can't you get a good well lit picture of your grey contact. A group picture would be better and include their ship or vehicle.

i think that when ZPE is released publicly,we will see alot more alien activity in the skies,and quite possibly a public announcement of themselves.


if you ever watched star trek,then you would understand that the Vulcan race announced themselves publicly to Earth when they had achieved warp drive technology.

Well Theoretically , When we have ZPE technology mastered,and Nasa,and the Governemnt can intergrate new things with it.(since ZPe is being researched and created by a few private orginizations-Nothing to do with the government*)
We will be able to have enough energy to , for example Power a Warp Drive Engine,Or More realistly a :

Anti-Grav Engine.

Once we get this technology in use. Then THEY will be revealed to us.

This is what i think , so its my Opinion.

Peace

-Mayan

Originally posted by Mayan2012
i think that when ZPE is released publicly,we will see alot more alien activity in the skies,and quite possibly a public announcement of themselves.

ntergrate new things with it.(since ZPe is being researched and created by a few private orginizations-Nothing to do with the government*)
We will be able to have enough energy to , for example Power a Warp Drive Engine,Or More realistly a :

Anti-Grav Engine.

The possibilities are endless. The amount of man power, money, and resources currently being devoted to fossil fuel extraction is in the Trillions of dollars. Not to mention these processes are extremely inefficient. ZPE if implemented in a peaceful manner could essentially eliminate caol and nuclear power plants, power lines, hydroelectric damns, batteries, fossil fuels, natural gas, etc.. The list goes on and on.

This type of energy would be nothing short of a total revolution in society. Humanity could finally free itself from the chains of old energy forms and be free to invest in amazing new technologies and eradicate poverty worldwide. Surely if aliens are watching us there wouldn't be a better time to reveal themselves. And if the government is truly engaged in a massive conspiracy they WILL have to do something or face being taken down.

We are defenitely at a crossroads now. What an amazing time to be alive, I feel extremely priveledged to know that these things will come to light in my lifetime.

Originally posted by Mayan2012
Well Theoretically , When we have ZPE technology mastered,and Nasa,and the Governemnt can intergrate new things with it.(since ZPe is being researched and created by a few private orginizations-Nothing to do with the government*)
We will be able to have enough energy to , for example Power a Warp Drive Engine,Or More realistly a :

Anti-Grav Engine.

So if that's your take then people in the forum talking about anti-grav craft that exist today (US government secret projects, etc.) are mistaken? If so, I would not be surprized if you were right. I think the Cash-Landrum sighting was a crude US attempt at a new propulsion system. Twenty five years later, not so sure that large a break through has occurred.

My only reservation is that if a small private company has managed to discover a power source then I bet the government researchers have also.

Edit: sp

[edit on 4/12/2007 by roadgravel]

Yes but the fact that a "few private orginizations" AND institutes such as "The Calphysics Institute" and Steorn,Means that the government isnt controlling what the technology is going to be used for.

The military may very well have Anti - Grav Engines,and they very well be using ZPE. BUT its not available to the public is it?

Its not a matter of If,Where,Or How anymore.


Its a question of When.

the answer? : Very soon

Ive seen a man Power up a Motor From a Rock he found in his garden.

Thats a small scale version of "Free energy" ZPE will revolutionize the world as we know it.

the Mayans Calendar says that december 21 2012 starts a new age.

The Age of Interstellar Travel (or at least the Start of it)

-Mayan

:Edit: With ZPE, The Possibilities Are Truly endless.



[edit on 4/12/2007 by Mayan2012]

I call BS on this thing....

Do we have any other accoutants here?

Take a look at their income statement, or as they call it "profit & losses." Several problem here.

Firstly they are a private company why are they revealing this in the first place? Its of no interest to anyone. Secondly WTF is going with their rev? Have they completely decided to stop providing services and focus on their R&D??? Its absolute financial suicide if their little "free energy" mambo jumbo doesnt work out. They should provide a balance sheet so we can see how much equity theyve raised. Or as they would probably call it "Stuff we own & stuff we borrowed"

Looks all very fishy too me...

Congradulations on getting almost all the ill-concieved psuedosciences ever concieved into one post. The poster WISHES that alien technologies would come and save us from ourselves and prevent us from making hard choices about whether to pay more for cleaner technologies, do without or continue polluting, and that wish they have made POOF, magically turns into proof that it will happen. Well it won't, we still have tough choices to make and no proof of alien saviors.

First I want to remind people that UFO means UNIDENTIFIED. That you have a picture or video of something no one can identify does not mean you have a picture of an alien spacecraft, it means you cannot make any assumptions about what you have. To say I don't know what your picture is of, therefore it is a spaceship is a laughable logical fallicy.

Oh wait, cameras are everywhere to proove the coming of these aliens. Well I agree that cameras, while not everywhere, are far more prevalent. But that wieghs AGAINST proving aliens--with all these increasingly ubiquitous cameras, why is the "evidence" always still blurry and inconclusive. There might be more UFO pictures, but they are simply pictures of stuff you cannot identify, not BETTER pictures of obvious SPACECRAFT. The increase in pictures without any drop-dead proof photos actually makes your position less realistic.

Zero-point energy--I know that and cold fusion are the popular "just around the corner technologies, and I would love it if they could exist, but I just heard a scientist say that it would take a cubic mile (at least, maybe up to the volume of the soloar system) of empty space to contain enough ZPE to power a light bulb. Doesn't look like a savior coming from that direction, we may have to start thinking about the hard choices again.

France released documents--But I notice you didn't say what those docs said, because they contained nothing useful about aliens. It doesn't matter how many documents are released or who is doing it, it only matters that VALID and RELAVENT docs actually contain information.

"Indigo children"--I looked this one up, hadn't heard of it before. What a hoot, it's smart kids with big egos and slight asocial tendancies, not aliens.

"An increasing number of scientists and researchers are giving credence to the idea of alien visitation"--Not real science type scientists. MAybe your UFO researchers who set out to pick and choose info that will prove their forgone conclusion. Real scientists are willing to disprove themselves. They don't alwys like it, but science means trying and being willing to disprove a theory as much you want and try to prove it. The SETI institute looks for signs of life and admits when they find nothing or a false hope. You only look for proof and refuse the possibility you could be wrong, therefore you ARE NOT ABOUT SCIENCE.

I'd love for there to be intelligent aliens to meet and give us free energy devices, even if it is a Klingon. But don't tell me they are coming, show me they have.

Vipassana, first of all let me validate your very well written thread. What you say makes perfect sense. There is enough information and disinformation out there to lead you astray or for people with an innate sense for pulling the the obvious together like yourself, a very clear picture to do with as you choose. There are many more radio and television programs speaking daily about what was only a few short years ago fervishly debunked. Who would have thought that the History channel would sponser shows like the UFO files on an almost daily basis. Look at the interests of the viewing public, if you watch t.v. you see shows like Stargate, Star Trek, and enormous amounts of other futuristic and time traveling interdimensional shows. And if you have children it is amazing what the cartoon's are that they love. I challenge anyone to watch the most popular shows with the characters living in what can only be seen as the next level of dimensional reality. Children are being prepared just as the older generation is being eliminated. This is why people only live to be 100 years, they simply could not cope with the reality flux of the changing times. Or most average people that is. There are cameras EVERYWHERE! On cop cars on street lights in store fronts on top of buildings in parking lots , geeze you said it everywhere. And everyone is carrying cell camera phones now. The debunkers will always debunk who cares about their oppinions. What is evident is that we HAVE reached a point of no return and you have only touched the tip of the ice burg Vipassana and you know it! You have a keen sense and ability to form clear thought on this very important subject. Look at France coming out the same day as Govenor Fife Symington had his day coming out with the fact that he did indeed see the Phoenix lights. Noone even debunked him and it was swept out of the news by the next day. He was not advocating some sinister plot to dominate with malovelence the human race and steal our technology and resources,no he had positive feedback to his encounter. The French news and Fifes kind of defused each others in my thoughts. Look at the Astronauts and the Military whistle blowers! They are not being heard. I think you are right about the Massive set up for the very near future, I have made that same conclusion, and the time line I have is 2007-8. It may not change much, but it will change the course of history.

Originally posted by TrevorALan



Zero-point energy--I know that and cold fusion are the popular "just around the corner technologies, and I would love it if they could exist, but I just heard a scientist say that it would take a cubic mile (at least, maybe up to the volume of the soloar system) of empty space to contain enough ZPE to power a light bulb.

Where the hell did you hear this disinformation from? LOL

if a scientist told u this,then he must not know what the heck he's talking about mate.

ZPE is energy Extracted from the Quantum Vacuum.The Quantum Vacuum is all around the Universe. The energy is infinite and constant,and a ZPE generator the size of a small trailer would power a whole city the size of New York for thousands of years,without costing a single cent.

that is the power of ZPE. And whoever told u that """it would take a cubic mile (at least, maybe up to the volume of the soloar system) of empty space to contain enough ZPE to power a light bulb.""" is out of their bloody mind.

-Mayan

[edit on 4/13/2007 by Mayan2012]

For the skeptics that dont understand ZPE.

Watch This Video Steorn Free Energy Video - Youtube


-Mayan

road gravel, getting pictures or taking something when you are with them isn't possible as I see it.

When I am with the one I go to I am focused as so is he and it never even occurs to you to get a picture or take something. Most people have some type of control on them so it's not as easy as you think it would be.


I guess you would have to be an experiencer to understand.

Examine the work of Mr. Hutchison:
HEffect
And Nikola Tesla.
Such things are right around the corner.
Unfortunately, Governments and Big Oil do not WANT these types of energy to come into play for the general public, as they would lose all their $.

well too bad for the government. they arent gonna stop it,because they cant.

the government is a piece of crap,and all they care about is $$$$$. well enough is enough.

Finally we will be able to set our aim's Way higher with ZPE.

the people that arent ready for alien contact,should start preparing themselves.

Its only a matter of time.

-Mayan

I generally find that the people who are most interested in "disclosure," whether it be of some fantastic secret technology, or aliens, or whatever, are those who feel that they have little control over their own lives. They often hope for some wonderful thing to happen that will snap them out of their mundane lives and allow them to... I don't know... fly to Saturn for a picnic, or something.

But the simple fact is, most ordinary people are not all that affected by big, historical events. The World Trade Center can fall, and for me it mostly means that it now takes a little longer to get on an airplane.

Even if aliens showed up, or ZPE was finally revealed as a functional technology (both things highly unlikely), it would be interesting at first, but for at least most of the rest of my life, I'll still have to put gas in my car, I'll still have to go to work at my marginal job, buy groceries, pay my cable bill, etc.

Neither the dreamers, nor I, are going to be flying to Saturn any time soon, and I don't know exactly what the point of doing that would be, anyway. There are thousands of incredible things to see and adventures to be had right here, right now, on good ol' Earth. No need to wait for ZPE or aliens to save us.

Originally posted by SuicideVirus
I generally find that the people who are most interested in "disclosure," whether it be of some fantastic secret technology, or aliens, or whatever, are those who feel that they have little control over their own lives. They often hope for some wonderful thing to happen that will snap them out of their mundane lives and allow them to... I don't know... fly to Saturn for a picnic, or something.

But the simple fact is, most ordinary people are not all that affected by big, historical events. The World Trade Center can fall, and for me it mostly means that it now takes a little longer to get on an airplane.

I partially agree with the first paragraph. I will freely admit that i fall into that catergory, no point in lying to myself about it. But when you say it means the people have "little control", who really has control anyway? If you have lots of money, you still have little control over the bigger situation, unless of course you actually control the money system itself. Everyone is in the same boat..

Your second paragraph i disagree with. 9/11 is possibly one of the biggest mass consciousness changing events in the history of mankind. Not only has it woken thousands of ordinary people up to whats really going on, but the event itself was used to emotionally blackmail the western nations public into going to war with iraq.

Most ordinary people were affected by 9/11, because the majority accepted what they were told without ever questioning the authenticity of the story being put foward. On an individual basis this means little, but as a society/collective its a totally different story.

Originally posted by roadgravel

Originally posted by c3hamby
Mainly because the US keeps shooting ET craft down, and ETs share the self preservation tendency that we also have ourselves.

After millions of years of evolution, the knowledge to build and navigate a craft through or across the galaxy and maybe beyond, they arrive here but have no defense against the weapons of a inferior race. I'll also include that many cannot be detached by radar, but radar crashes them.

Seems a bit hard to believe it would work out this way. When will they decide to abduct on a more friendly planet.

I can tell tour from America
How exactly does radar "crash" UFO's then???? Surely if this was the case there would be hundreds of UFO crashes, infact every UFO should crash