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CNN
About 2 dozen Iraqi civilians killed in November.
Investigators believe that their criminal investigation into the deaths of about two dozen Iraqi civilians points toward a conclusion that Marines Committed Unprovoked MURDERS, a senior defense official said Friday.
The Marine Corps initially reported that the deaths were caused by a roadside bomb and ensuing firefight with insurgents.
According to a congressional aide, lawmakers were told in a briefing Thursday that it appears as many as two dozen civilians were killed. And they were told that the investigation will find that "it will be clear that this was not the result of an accident or a normal combat situation."
ust one more evidence, prooving that we have NO idea what is going on in Iraq, since any of the official reports might be false or missleading - and months later it turns out to be a whole different story.
WASHINGTON (May 25, 2006) -- Gen. Michael W. Hagee, commandant of the Marine Corps, will address Marine officers and enlisted men and women in a series of events inside and outside the U.S. over the next several weeks.
The purpose of his visits will be to reinforce the ideals, values and standards for which Marines have been known for more than 200 years. Reflecting his personal concern over recent serious allegations about actions of Marines in combat, the Commandant’s remarks will focus on the value and meaning of honor, courage, and commitment and how these core values are epitomized by most Marines in their day-to-day actions – both in and out of combat.
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Originally posted by missed_gear
The culprits will be prosecuted if crimes were indeed committed and the US Marines are taking the event very seriously.
Originally posted by Souljah
Isolated Incident - or Everyday event?
Witnesses to Iraqi civilian deaths say Marines killed in retaliation
Witnesses to the slaying of 24 Iraqi civilians by U.S. Marines in the western town of Al-Hadithah say the Americans shot men, women and children at close range in retaliation for the death of a Marine lance corporal in a roadside bombing.
Aws Fahmi, a resident who said he watched and listened from his home as Marines went from house to house killing members of three families, said he heard his neighbor across the street, Younis Salim Khafif, plead in English for the lives of himself and his family. "I heard Younis speaking to the Americans, saying: "I am a friend. I am good, '' said Fahmi. "But they killed him, and his wife and daughters.''
The 24 Iraqi civilians slain Nov. 19 included children and the women who were trying to shield them, witnesses told a Washington Post correspondent in Al-Hadithah this week. The girls killed inside Khafif's house alone were aged 14, 10, 5, 3 and 1, according to death certificates.
Murtha: Marines killed civilians "in cold blood"
A senior House Democrat with close ties to the military claimed Wednesday that U.S. Marines wantonly killed innocent Iraqi civilians, including women and children, in an early morning raid last November, buttressing a March report by Time.
"Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood," said Jack Murtha of Pennsylvania, a decorated Marine Corps veteran who served in Vietnam and is among the most influential Democratic voices on military matters. "This is going to be a very, very bad thing for the United States."
Collateral Damage or Civilian Massacre in Haditha?
The incident seemed like so many others from this war, the kind of tragedy that has become numbingly routine amid the daily reports of violence in Iraq. On the morning of Nov. 19, 2005, a roadside bomb struck a humvee carrying Marines from Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines, on a road near Haditha, a restive town in western Iraq. The bomb killed Lance Corporal Miguel (T.J.) Terrazas, 20, from El Paso, Texas. The next day a Marine communique from Camp Blue Diamond in Ramadi reported that Terrazas and 15 Iraqi civilians were killed by the blast and that "gunmen attacked the convoy with small-arms fire," prompting the Marines to return fire, killing eight insurgents and wounding one other. The Marines from Kilo Company held a memorial service for Terrazas at their camp in Haditha. They wrote messages like "T.J., you were a great friend. I'm going to miss seeing you around" on smooth stones and piled them in a funeral mound. And the war moved on.
Originally posted by Souljah
The 14, 10, 5, 3 and 1-Year old Children?
Yep, you can get a pretty interesting picture about ALL other official Communiques coming from US, UK or any other Coalition Armed Forces in Iraq or Afganistan.
Originally posted by shots
Interesting!!! Also nothing compared to 27 that were killed by insurgents.
Bombing in Iraq Kills Mostly Children
Yet you complain about 5 :shk:
Originally posted by Souljah
Yet you are not complaining at all...
Originally posted by shots
Psst People Die in wars or didn't you know that?
Also allow me to point out once again that the figures used by IBC have been doubted by many.
Now if I were of the devious sort I would trot on over to Wki and change those figures to reflect numbers that I like.
Originally posted by Souljah
Wiki is quoting the IBC, not making up the numbers for themselves.
Originally posted by shots
Wiki does not quote anyone.
IBC - A Dossier of Civilian Casualties in Iraq 2003–2005
"A Dossier on Civilian Casualties in Iraq, 2003-2005" is the first detailed account of all non-combatants reported killed or wounded during the first two years of the continuing conflict. The report, published by Iraq Body Count in association with Oxford Research Group, is based on comprehensive analysis of over 10,000 media reports published between March 2003 and March 2005.
Findings include:
Who was killed?
- 24,865 civilians were reported killed in the first two years.
- Women and children accounted for almost 20% of all civilian deaths.
- Baghdad alone recorded almost half of all deaths.
When did they die?
- 30% of civilian deaths occurred during the invasion phase before 1 May 2003.
- Post-invasion, the number of civilians killed was almost twice as high in year two (11,351) as in year one (6,215).
Who did the killing?
- US-led forces killed 37% of civilian victims.
- Anti-occupation forces/insurgents killed 9% of civilian victims.
- Post-invasion criminal violence accounted for 36% of all deaths.
- Killings by anti-occupation forces, crime and unknown agents have shown a steady rise over the entire period.
What was the most lethal weaponry?
- Over half (53%) of all civilian deaths involved explosive devices.
- Air strikes caused most (64%) of the explosives deaths.
- Children were disproportionately affected by all explosive devices but most severely by air strikes and unexploded ordnance (including cluster bomblets).
How many were injured?
- At least 42,500 civilians were reported wounded.
- The invasion phase caused 41% of all reported injuries.
- Explosive weaponry caused a higher ratio of injuries to deaths than small arms.
- The highest wounded-to-death ratio incidents occurred during the invasion phase.
Who provided the information?
- Mortuary officials and medics were the most frequently cited witnesses.
- Three press agencies provided over one third of the reports used.
- Iraqi journalists are increasingly central to the reporting work.
Originally posted by Souljah
WRONG!
Welcome to Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
Wiki Homepage
Originally posted by shots
As Usual it went right over your head. That was more then likely the contributor that quoted the source not Wiki. Wiki is open source anyone can post there you me, the wiki webmaster and yes even Santa
BBC - Wikipedia survives research test
The free online resource Wikipedia is about as accurate on science as the Encyclopedia Britannica, a study shows.
The British journal Nature examined a range of scientific entries on both works of reference and found few differences in accuracy.
But it has been criticised for the correctness of entries, most recently over the biography of prominent US journalist John Seigenthaler.
Originally posted by shots
Isloated Incident no doubt about it.
Originally posted by Souljah
CNN
About 2 dozen Iraqi civilians killed in November.
Investigators believe that their criminal investigation into the deaths of about two dozen Iraqi civilians points toward a conclusion that Marines Committed Unprovoked MURDERS, a senior defense official said Friday.
The Marine Corps initially reported that the deaths were caused by a roadside bomb and ensuing firefight with insurgents.
According to a congressional aide, lawmakers were told in a briefing Thursday that it appears as many as two dozen civilians were killed. And they were told that the investigation will find that "it will be clear that this was not the result of an accident or a normal combat situation."
It looks like that US Marines did actually commit unjustified murder - or better yet, slaughter of 24 Iraqi civilans. What exactly happened, I guess we will never find out, but as usual the first move by the USMC was to report, that those deaths to Iraqi civilans were actually caused by a Roadisde bomb - in short, they LIED.
Just one more evidence, prooving that we have NO idea what is going on in Iraq, since any of the official reports might be false or missleading - and months later it turns out to be a whole different story.
Isolated Incident - or Everyday event?
You be the Judge...
US Air Strike Kills Iraqi Family of 12
Behind the Steel Curtain
US Raids Iraqi House, Killing Family of as many as 13
Iraqi residents say bodies in video from US raid
US Troops accused of mosque massacre
[edit on 27/5/06 by Souljah]
Originally posted by ShazamsChampion
Wow so now the marines are only what? 200,000 civillian murders behind the "freedom fighters" like Zarqawi?
And only what? 3-4 million behind saddam and crew?
Originally posted by Souljah
Errr - now where did you get those numbers? 200,000 killed by Zarqawi?
Please.
And when talking about mister Zarqawi, I have to add that I do not belive this man even exists - or if he does, he sure works hand in hand with the so-called "War on Terror". Yet another "Phantom SUPER-Terrorist" that always evades the Ultra-Powerful and Allmighty US War Machine with Supreme Technology. With Money, Technology and Determination you can FIND ANYBODY - if you want to ofcourse. And if they are Alive that is.
3-4 Million? Well I think you overreacted with the numbers. But if you are talking about Saddam regime and how many people he killed, do not forget to Add, how Iraq was such a BIG USA ALLY back in those days of fighting the Evil Iranian Islamic Revolution, and how USA used him to stop the spread of Iran. And when he was fighting the Iraq-Iran war, and killing his people, nobody even bothered to mention that to him, ey? As I recall mister Rumsfled was Shaking hands with him, as he was slaughtering the Kurds.
But that's another Story.
Originally posted by ShazamsChampion
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Because its not as if men have evaded more intense manhunts for longer.
Lessser of two evils. Its wasn't right just necessary, same reason we supported OBL when the soviets invaded Afghanistan.
Must be nice to live in a reality where you get to "doubt the existance" of any conflicting evidence.