Police State? You Betcha.

Originally posted by Saphronia

I do understand neo-nazi's believe that they are a master race which means black people are sub-human

Whats that have to do with blacks "returned to slavery" Your mixing up the agendas of groups on different sides of the world seperated by decades.

Groups like the KKK and Nazis dont share the same exact views though they may share many views. They both have there own brand of ignorant crap

I don't think the neo-nazi would care if black folk or jews were rounded up and put into forced labor camps--would they now?

Truly it's all crap...we agree.

I agree its all crap

But I dont think people should ever be banned from expressing views no matter how ignorant or unpopular they are.

Of course there is exceptions like the call for violence against another. Im pretty sure they dont call for whites to kill any blacks they see at these things.

But if they want to have their little rallies saying they are the master race they should be allowed too. Is that really that different from the Jews calling themselves gods chosen people? If blacks wanted to have rallies about them being the physically superior race. More power too them

I was thumbing through the NewsNow: Behind the News and I found this article about H.Clinton accusing the GOP of a Police State, and was wondering what ya'll thought.

Senator Hillary Clinton Accuses GOP of Creating Police State with Immigration Bill

I honostly think there is nothing We The People can do anymore, since it's We The GOP that say what goes.

[edit on 9/3/2006 by wyldwylly]

Clinton spoke out on the US immigration policy including several contradictions of previous speeches in which she accused the Bush Administration of not dealing with the illegal immigration problem.

My favorite part

I really hope the Democrates put Hillary up for Prez, McCain is going to crush her.

Actually, the last neo nazi rally held in Ohio (after toledo) the group was billed for the police protection. How do I know this?
I work for one of the law enforcement agencies that went up there and we had to submit a "bill" listing how many officers, how much ot etc... so the taxpayer di NOT foot the bill, the neo nazi group did. If I am not mistaken the entire bill come up to over 100K

And no, NONE of the officers/deputies that went up there agree with their rhetoric BUT as ameican citizens they have the right of free speech and protection thereof.

[edit on 20-3-2006 by Striker8441]

Actually, the last neo nazi rally held in Ohio (after toledo) the group was billed for the police protection. How do I know this?
I work for one of the law enforcement agencies that went up there and we had to submit a "bill" listing how many officers, how much ot etc... so the taxpayer di NOT foot the bill, the neo nazi group did. If I am not mistaken the entire bill come up to over 100K

That's excellent. I hadn't heard of that, so I'm a little surprised, but it's wonderful if it's true. My only concern has been that groups of this sort will be able to blackmail the government and extort a lot of money using the excuse of "It's your job to protect my hateful behind." I've said from the beginning that it's their right to think and say as they please, but I also firmly believe it's their responsibility to deal with the consequences of what they say and do.

Billing them for the escort service is a great way of eliminating the incentive to use the right to protection as a free pass to costing the state millions, out of spite.

The police are hired and retained to mitigate the problems caused by trouble makers, not to facilitate the troublemaking. That's my perception, in any case.

Thanks for weighing in on the issue. If what you say is true, it alleviates a great deal of my concern. It would just be a real shame if the ACLU gave hate groups the ability to extort the government into supporting such a wrong-headed agenda so contrary to established national values.

Welcome to America...
We take our freedom of speech so seriously, that we will allow any idiot to say whatever inflamatory statements they want, as long as it doesn't cause a panic.

I would much rather it be that way, than the way other countries deal with it.

Some have religious intolerance- dont worship their god, then you die
Some have censorship- cant say anything against or about it.
Some have a false freedom that limits what you can say - fascism
Some have people stand behind you with guns, while you say wonderful things for the western cameras...

Yeah... i like our way better... always better to let idiots speak out, than act out...
I just hope ours doesn't become fascism/nationalism... But these test situations prove that we are still safe.

Originally posted by ShadowXIX[/I] That’s not really true - German Jews were banned from owning guns . . The Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 applied to Germans . . Jews were not considered citizens . . Hitler wasn’t trying to wipe out the German people . . he was planning to do that to the Jews . . the Germans loved him he had no reason to disarm them . . “ [Edited by Don W]

My main point is the Europeans NEVER owned the numbers of guns owned by ordinary people in the United States. MOST guns owned by private citizens in pre-War 2 Europe were LONG guns, shotguns and rifles. For hunting. Animals, not people. I have never read the WA of 1938, but I know what I just wrote is true. There never was a Second Amendment in Europe. Nor any local militias.

1930s Germans may well have LOVED Hitler for pulling their country out of a deep economic depression. MOST 1930s Germans were not consulted on the Holocaust. Nor would most 1930s Germans approved of the Holocaust, if they had the opportunity, which they did not.

Hitler’s LEGAL rise to power ought to serve as a cautionary warning to every DEMOCRACY to be careful who you vote for. Elections DO have consequences, some of which are UNINTENDED.

NEVER GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTIES FOR THE PROMISE OF SECURITY.