WAR: France ejects 12 Islamic 'preachers of hate'

Taking unprecedented anti-terrorism steps, France announced that between now and the end of August, a dozen Islamist 'preachers of hate' will be deported. France does this despite the vocalizing by the human rights lobby against such actions. Of notable interest was this mention:



France has long been cracking down on its Muslim populace, more so, than any other European nation. I would imagine that there will be ramifications against this decision by France, to what degree or how, will certainly be of speculation. Is this move by France legitimate and without violation, or simply a move made out of desperation and necessity?

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[edit on 29-7-2005 by Seekerof]

Obviously, this meets everyone's approval?
No issues whatsoever?
Interesting....

Anyhow, another enlightening excerpt from a rather interesting read:

And make no mistake: this is no mere matter of Free Speech. The Islamist being struck at is generally not the Islamist attempting to exercise his constitution right to free speech; it is rather the Islamist who, having given his allegiance wholly to totalitarian Islam, has acted to systematically conceal this fact. We will not merely abridge his freedom of speech; we will also abridge his freedom of thought.

'We Don't Need to Fight, We Are Taking Over!'




seekerof

I voted yes to this. I warned people in another forum a couple years ago about the Islamization of France on the parts of Muslim radicals and fundamentalist clerics living in France.

In 732, France came close to being conquered by the Muslim forces invading France from Spain, all thanks to this great man. If it hasn't been for him, history would have been very, very different today.

He sired a son who would produce the greatest European king of the first millennium.


[edit on 7/29/2005 by the_oleneo]

You will not hear this soften from me............

Mark one for France.......

Hopefully others will follow their lead....


did I just say that?

France is very strange in how they can pass crazy laws such as deporting their own naturalized citizens and throwing people in jail for years without charges or a trial yet criticize others (read the U.S.) for doing far less...

However, I can't complain about this new policy...seems like it's just meant to correct past mistakes in allowing these people in.

Hey edsinger......long time listener, first time caller....

You do realize that this sets a precedent, right?

If not in the American legal system, then in the social structure.......

Are we to be prone to allow a blatant disruption of our rights at the behest at somene who says we are a 'fill in the blank' label that is socially unacceptable.....all it takes is a bit of legwork and someone who said something out of context gets labeled to the extreme where and decisions get made without a logical process........I prefer to think of it more as a legal witchhunt.....

I'll step up on the record in this thread as one who disagrees with here......the French dropped the ball here.....

NOTE: I do not in any way condone the preachings. I further do not condone hate and it's many subsequent actions.

[edit on 29-7-2005 by MemoryShock]

This is only the beginning.
The articles linked indicate that the numbers will grow and grow apparently unabated.

One issue I am seeing here is how and what will be defined or gauged as 'hate speech or preaching.' France is pretty much saying that if you are a Muslim or have a Muslim heritage and you decide to voice harsh dissent, in whatever form, despite your being a French citizen, you can and will be subject to deportation.

This move, though seen by some as a positive necessary action or step, if not checked or monitored, will lead to some major ramifications, both from a individual freedom aspect and inalienable right, to simply causing further Muslim discontent. In regard to the last mention, I posted an interesting article discussing Terrorists' Strategy for Europe?, where it was mentioned:

The terrorists' strategy for generating additional European recruits is simple: launch vicious attacks and count on the resulting harsh government crackdown to alienate the local Muslims.

Read it again, then apply what France is doing and what other European nations are contemplating. Is this not playing right into that alleged strategy?

Fine line here people and one worthy of taking notice of.




seekerof

[edit on 29-7-2005 by Seekerof]

Seems to me Human Rights and Laws respecting Free Speech go's out the window when terrorism get's attached.

Perhap's rightfully so.. France is doing a pre-emptive thing.

Dallas

I'm sure this is just one in a progression of laws like this, that started with the banning of the chador in schools and public buildings. I don't think France has a Bill of Rights in its Constitution like the U.S. does, so they can pretty much pass any law they want to. I wouldn't be surprised to see many Muslims expelled as they see more of a risk of terror from their massive disaffected and disenfranchised Islamic population.


[edit on 7/29/2005 by djohnsto77]

[Nicolas Sarkozy's]proposals [to deport 'preachers of hate'] reflect French determination to act swiftly against extremists in defiance of the human rights lobby, which is noticeably less vocal in France than in Britain.

With regard to the human rights issue, I would say that the right of the majority to live peaceably outweighs the rights of certain individuals to incite terrorism. Until we wake up and determine that the enemy is in our midst, we will be like fish being shot in a barrel. Whatever France does in this regard is the business of France. It's about time they did something.


[edit on 2005/7/30 by GradyPhilpott]

as posted by GradyPhilpott
Whatever France does in this regard is the business of France.

Though I do have some tendency to agree Grady, in this applied case, especially if not done prudently by France, France's actions may have possible bearing and ramifications within Europe or even the US, as in more acts of terrorism, thus possibly making it the business of those who may be affected?
Again, bear in mind:

The terrorists' strategy for generating additional European recruits is simple: launch vicious attacks and count on the resulting harsh government crackdown to alienate the local Muslims.

Removing those who spread and preach "hate" will not resolve the problem of preventing future acts of terrorism. The action being taken by France will only inflame, embolden, and incite further "hate" rhetoric and possible acts, IMHO. Time will tell...





seekerof

[edit on 30-7-2005 by Seekerof]

Well I guess the advice would be to quit preaching hate if you don't want deported.

simple concept - you don't play by the rules of a civil society, you leave. Forced or not.

They can not just let them continue, nor can they imprison them as that would just create more problems.

If you don't like it, leave for be forced to leave.

Its not like they are exercising free speech, they are inciting hate and calling for JiHad against non Muslims.

This should make the Moderate Muslims do MORE to stamp them out.

Originally posted by Seekerof[/http/www.techcentralstation.com/072205E.html]'We Don't Need to Fight, We Are Taking Over!'[/url]
seekerof

A most interesting read indeed. I have not even attempted to read & digest the remainder of this thread as yet, but the article called up by the link you provided is most thought provoking and troubling.